Yep....that was me.

I'm changing my arrow and bow setup.....going to 52-56#'s and increasing arrow weight to try to get to around 285fps. I'll be honest.....if it doesn't get better at 52#'s......I won't be shooting this bow. I bought it to shoot targets and to hunt with.....but I won't kill myself in one to satisfy the other. That's just being honest.

I honestly expect it to be much better at the lower weight. I see no reason it won't......but again....I'm all novice when it comes to this stuff.

I can tell you that 62#'s draw is NOT 62#'s draw. My Ally was a dream at 64#'s.

I don't have buyer's remorse. I'm just trying to find a happy median. With RJ's help....I think I have that on order. I KNEW I was going to have to dumb this thing down to shoot sanctioned events. I just wasn't aware it was going to be so tough (my mistake....not Bowtech's). They delivered an awesome product.

I sure hope it helps, Bry....and I KNOW that fatigue is a BIG factor. I've been shooting a LOT. I honestly haven't given my shoulders a rest in weeks......not even for one day.

I shot 45 arrows, last night....and I won't touch it again for a week. My new limbs are 2-3 weeks out. Should have new arrows, next week.

I'll give a full, honest report after I change these things.

Take care of yourselves, getting older does not mean getting better.
I shaved my beard off the other day, and now when ruttnutt calls me and I answer the phone, He Gobbles at me like a Turkey.It has something to do with my neck.

Unless you need to let down,good chance you will not be letting it down EASY.


You are starting to see why some of us stay away from high letoff and agressive speed bows.

I have said it a few times,for me to shoot a speed bow,I would have to lower the draw weight to the point that the speed advantage would be lost so I am better off shooting the "forgiving" model at the higher poundage.

I agree to an extent. For hunting???? NO ISSUES!!

60 shots in one night is a lot for me, though.

Jeff,I just edited and added something to my response,sorry,should have just added another post.

Jeff, you keep saying for hunting no issues, but what happens if you get drawn back on a deer and then the shot is no longer there? You wait and wait, but have to let down. What happens then? You're going to have to let down and that thing is going to jerk forward causing a lot of movement.

That is the very reason I switched to a bow with a smoother draw. So I could easily let down smoothly while hunting if need be.

I see what you are saying aboue 1 shot so no fatigue, but if you have to let down it could cost you an opportunity. Just some food for thought.

I find that interesting since my position is exactly opposite of that. Personally, I've found that dropping down a few pounds for hunting purposes works better for me. I'm willing to give up some FPS for smooth draw and hold. Any jerky or extra movement caused by the increased draw weight is a negative IMO...

A simple test I run on myself every year prior to hunting season to determine if I'm pulling too much weight goes like this. I'll sit in a chair with my bow as if I'm in a treestand situation. I then point the bow down at an angletoward the floor as if a deer is approaching my "stand". I then draw straight back as smoothly as possible without any extra movement (ie raising up the bow). Once there, I'll hold for a minute or so. If I can't pull straight back from that position in a fluid motion or have trouble holding, the bow weight gets dropped down.

I suggest you give this siimple test a try. You might be surprised at the results.

I shot a buck one morning @ 8:15....after I'd been in my stand since 4:00, that morning. I was shooting my Allegiance at 71#'s and it was 14 deg. outside.

I think I'd pass that test.

One shot? No problem. 60? I don't like it.

Letting down Bry? Good point. Something to think about, for sure.

ThanI'll just question your sanity for being in a treestand at four in the morning.

Long story, Jimi. I made a post about it in '06. Shot my best buck to date after going to the stand instead of BED!