There are a ton of P&Y and B&C deer shot every year that are not ever put in the books. I lived in Iowa for 57 year and have always been around archery. I myself have a few of 130 to 140 inch bucks that are not in the books. I can always remember being at a friend pro shop and a guy and his son came into the shop with a buck that would score in the 180 to 190's. I ask him if he was have it measured and he said no. I than ask him if he was going to have it mounted being it was his sons deer and he also said no. I told him to call another friend who is a taxidermist and that he would pay him for the cape off that deer. He thought that was great and did it. I talked to my taxidermist he told me he has bowhunters and gun hunter every year come in from IA & ILL and he buys the cape of them than cuts the rack off for them and that he mounts a lot of 190 inch B&Y and B&C bucks every year that never see the books. Some hunter just don't care about the recored books.

i have not read everyone piece so if this was repeated...sorry

i feel they really need to seperate out record deer via private and public land!!! personal opinion....but i would say 95% of all deer in the record books were taken on private land....where does that lead me?? having to be in the top 5% of my game in my state??? or just at the right place at the right time???

just my opinion.......but when i see monsters taken on private land..not to say they are not good deer..but an average joe like me who can't afford land, or a guided hunt....just don't seem right

Atlas...They are already tainted...But not for the reasons you mentioned...

Carbon-Weight Forward Arrows
Mechanical Releases
Peep Sights
80% Let Off
Drop Away Rests
Mechanical Broadheads
Stabilizers
Fiber Optic Micro-Adjustable Sights
Lighted Nocks
And all the fancy cams, strings, vibration dampners, etc, etc....

Plus all the technology that goes into producing a bow that sells for hundreds of dollars....

Nope, it's sure not like it used to be....

You left out ScentLokand the WB

This is an eye opener

Yes it is, never heard that one before!

Spooky!

To even things out a bit, I started leaving my compass at home!

ok...poke fun at the poor boy

but really....how many of you that have taken monster deer (would make book for your state) on public land?

i mean to make if fare for people who want to be in the book (i for one do not personally care, that is not why i hunt or why i am a hunter)......i really think there should be a breakdown for public vs. private land killed deer...regardless of a special draw to hunt a special area were monsters live (we have a draw...most records come from this zone and no matter how many points you have u aint gonna get it....just say odds are not in your favor)...if it is public then anyone can hunt it..........99.9% of you guys hunt whitetails or mulies so my perspective is a bite ... well out there...but i don't think the #1 world record deer...here..lets say the new mulie typical record...still pending...was a guy who hunted a priavte ranch in mexico...paid some thousands of dollars (no joke) for a chance to kill this deer and he did......that is fine if you want to put him in the book...b&c, p&y i don't care....but don't compare a guy who paid $25,000 to kill a deer while sleeping in a cabin eating gourmet meals ... while guys like me sleep on the ground, hike back frikin forever in the woods and kill a deer that ranks 7 in his state. but would be #1 for public land deer.....can you honestly sit there and tell me that it this is right???? take out considering how you could prove it one way or another, and just think about the basic principle.....well that is enough ranting from me.....to each his own i guess

Our situations must be entirely different. At one time I shot the #4 archery buck in my state. I shot it on private land that permission was granted through knocking on doors, asis the case with all of the land I hunt. It is much harder to get permission this way now days, but still possible.

As far as I know, speaking of whitetails, I think that all of the top B&C and P&Y record book deer came from private land where permission was granted. I don't think that any of them came from a high priced, outfitter guided hunt. My point is that I don't think that anyone paid big money for the very top whitetails.

Even if they did, it wouldn't bother me because I'm happy with taking good bucks from the areas I hunt.

I think breeding deer genetically which to my knowledge cannot be released into the wild, only enclosed environments is just completely going too far. Food plots, passing immature deer, I don't really see as tainting the records, but certainly deer farms, deer breeding now is like that of cow breeding, I see it as very unnatural and wrong. But most record books to my knowledge won't include an animal taken at oneof these farms/raches, high fenced etc....are ineligible. So sure more bucks than ever are growing larger. Also B&C whiteail min I believe is somewhere near 180" for a typical, not a common deer even by today's standards! Even places that are managing for monsters etc.....a 150" comes along and he's going down, also the world record has stood for quite a number of years......and he was taken from a non food plot environment, the typical anyway.

B@C Typical Whitetail Minimum is 170" net. You were close!!