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Now, let me start this off by saying that I have never been a huge fan of the WB, however, I feel it is an effective rest. I've been shooting the NAP SmartRest since last March. I've been a big fan of dropaways and haven't seen any reason to switch, but it has been stated that the WB is not accurate past 20 yards and I decided to test that theory. I had one of the basic model WBs in a box here at the house, so I threw one on my Allegiance last night.





After taking my SmartRest off I leveled the bow (got it close, anyway.)



I installed the WB and made sure everything was leveled and lined up.





Now, I don't have access to a paper tuning rack here at the house, so I skipped that step. I took it for granted that the majority of the WBs I've set up have torn darn near close to perfect by just eyeballing them when setting them up, which seemed to be the case here.

In my backyard, if I open my gate and step back all the way to the street and I get exactly 40 yards to my target. I was hoping to get out to where I normally shoot which allows for 90+ yard shots, but I figured 40 would suffice for this experiment. I didn't bother to resight the bow in, so it was shooting a little low, but again I assumed that consistancy would suffice.

I stepped back to my 20 yard mark and shot three arrows;



I stepped back to 30 yards and shot three arrows;



I did the same for 40 yards;



I don't know, but I didn't notice a whole lot of difference between the groups, myself. They all shot a bit low for how I had the sights set with my SmartRest, which is what I expected. I am by no means a target shooter and honestly haven't had the time to really shoot my bow in the last few weeks. I wouldn't be extremely happy with the way I'm shooting if this were the week before season, but for having just put the rest on, not resighted the bow, and the fact that it was cold enough that by the time I was done shooting I couldn't feel my fingers, I'm happy.

I'll be reinstalling the SmartRest before deer season, but I may hunt turkeys with the WB this spring. We'll see.

My findings; the WB is just as accurate as a drop away. Go figure.

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I think it was Jim Despart or Dave Cousins or somebody? who shot a Vegas round with a Whisler Biscuit just to prove a point and they shot some ungodly score with a near perfect x count.

As long as a rest does teh same thing everytime it should in theory shoot an arrow to the same place everytime, especially at practical hunting distances.
Where a Whisker Bisquit will lose out is that the bristles can and do wear therefore constantly minutely changing the launch angle and tune. Over time a bristle rest will change..........a metal launcher blade will not.

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Understood Matt, and one of the reasons I'm not a huge fan of them and will be going back to my drop away. I just can't get over the "does not shoot accurately past 20 yards."

Jeff - I'm not touting the WB as the best rest for 3D shooting or any form of target archery, which is where this all originated from. Its a good rest for those wishing to use it for hunting purposes. I wanted to make sure that at 21 yards it was going to be just as accurate as it was at 20.

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From my golf and baseball days.....I trust what the guys at the top of the game are using.

If the top archers in the world were using this rest (on a wide scale level).....I think that would say a lot for it. I'm honestly not sure why they aren't? I guess that might be just as good a question.

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Countless hunters already know this Wash.............nothing new and no surprises.

I get the same groups at 40 yards.......I wouldn't even dare shoot 2 arrows with broadheads at the same spot at any range.

It has been accurate enough to kill everything I have ever aimed it at. I don't know what else anyone could want.

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Thanks for devoting the time to checking this. As I am still kinda getting back into archery, I don't shoot nearly well enough to base the accuracy solely on my shooting. Thanks for the test and this is good enough for me. My WB stays where it is.

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Never a miss or a wounded animal?

That's impressive. Kudos.:)

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Who's talking about top archers in the world?? You aren't using anything that they are. They shoot target bows that are a whole different world.

Target archery and hunting are not the same thing.

The WB is the most popular hunting rest..........that says a lot to me.

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I think there in lies the Truth.;)I still prefer a Dropaway because of other obvious reasons. I will rig one of my bows this year with the New Hoatage. I feel it has all the advantages of that type of rest without any of the disadvantages:D

Dan

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Me

I can shoot the same strings, arrows, sight, peep, release aid, rest AND bow if I wanted to.

That is....unless I wanted to shoot a WB.

When you want to find out what the most accurate piece of equipment in the archery industry is.....who else would you look to.....other than the guys at the top of the world in target archery?

You know I will readily admit it's a great hunting rest.....as long as you're not using rough finish arrows.

Again.....It's agreat hunting rest.

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When I deer hunt with my .243, I use a 3x9x40 Leupold which has had a heavy duplex reticle installed, it makes it easier to see the crosshairs at dusk...

If I were a target shooter, I might have a 6x24x50 scope with a fine crosshair installed, and a trigger set to a few ounces...

I shoot a WB and I shoot fingers, it just seems more natural to me...I'm a hunter, not a competition target shooter...

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Matt- here's the target from Vegas.

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Here we go with the WEENER BUMPING, nice post Washington even though it is hi- jacked[:@]

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Don't hate. ;)

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im happy with mine

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Geeeze, I hope thats enough pics. Sorry guys.My puter skills are not that great.

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Ive been useing the WB since my shop put it on the shelf(yrs ago)and have yet to find fault with it.The biggest thing Ive found out is most people that dont like them..A--never tried one..B--didnt have it set right for arrow and sizeand finaly..C-- just dont like it....

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Although I hunt with a wrist strap release, Dan....I don't see this discussion as any different than me posting up my results from 30 and 40 yds with that release aid.

But...it's no secret that most of the top archers in the world employ a thumb trigger or a BT release. Even though I use a wrist strap release.....I'm not shunned or threatened that this is simply the way it is. They use the releases they use for a reason. I assume they use the rests they use for a similar reason.

WB is probably on more bows than any other...hands down. It's a great hunting rest.

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Thanks...........last miss was with a NAP drop away. What a POS that thing was.

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Why??........this is a bowhunting forum. We are talking about bowhunting right?



But you won't..........unless you want to be the only guy in the woods with a back tension release and a spring steel rest and a 2 foot stabilizer hanging off your rig.


I don't shoot targets...........I hunt so I look to hunters. More use a WB then any other rest. You like to follow the crowd Jeff......which is why you had one in the first place ;)


Agreed.

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I can understand what you mean, Jeff.

My reason for posting this thread was this;

A lot of people use HNI to do their product research before they buy. If someone (who works for a pro shop) says that this rest won't be accurate past 20 yards, the inexperienced hunter may take it for gospel and never try it for themselves. I [generally] buy two or three rests and try them out before I decide which one I really like, a lot of people won't spend the money or take the time to do that.

In a hunting situation, which is what I had in mind fot this thread because we're in a hunting forum, this rest will be just as accurate at 40 yards as it is at 20, even in the hands of a not world class shooter.

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Yeah....(And I REALLY don't wanna argue with you Atlas)....but we're also talking about dispelling accuracy myths. Who's more accurate than the guys shooting paper? .....and why WOULDN'T we cite what they're using?

We're actually discussing an arrow rests accuracy. If you wanna pick nits, I guess this could go in the product review forum.

(Have no idea why you wanna go the places you do:eek:)

The real reason I had one is because my shop suggested it for me.....when I was a beginner. I didn't know there was anything different until I had a reason to change.

Again....I don't want to argue with you about this. I'm just answering your questions, honestly.

Done.

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Nice shoot'in brother! Yep! Took a doe at 53 yards with my WB this year. Love it.

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Because it doesn't apply to bowhunting.......2 different worlds. You would get the same response if you said your hunting gear was best for target shooters because it works flawlessly in the woods. I don't think many target shooters will be using a SIMS S-Coil any sooner then they would a WB.


See above..........wash presented a hunting scenerio and it was clear he meant it in that scope. The Vegas targets prove it's scope is greater but that's not what he wanted to show.


Just obvious observation.......you start off with a Mathews when they were supposedlya "cool" bow to have........then jumped on the Bowtech bandwagon..........WB to drop away............how long until you are on the 3D course with all the gear andobsessive attitude??.........took you about 3 seconds to want to be included into the "mature" big buck hunting club..........you're already onto trad gear........LOL

It's just who you are............how others perceive you is just as or more important then anything else to you. If you were a northern guy in the late 80'sI have little doubt you would have had about 10 ski tags hanging off your jacket.

I don't mean the above as an insult..........justan abservation. To each his own.

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This thread was not started as a means to debate which is better, why it's better, or any of that. There was a statement made in a thread last night about the whisker buscuit NOT being an accurate rest beyond 20 yards. And while several people stated it in fact is, the point was ....well, not argued really, but questioned. This thread was done to prove the point that the WB IS in fact an accurate rest, or at least as accurate as the guy shooting it.

Thanks Dan, that's pretty cool.

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Nice, little "review" Dan, that's impressive shooting as well. Especially on 9 consecutive shots [8D]:D.


At the shop, I probably sell WB's 4 to 1 over any other rest. I'll recommend both, just by judging the customer. I see more customers this past year wanting to go to drop aways.

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How many of those customers do you tell that the WB isn't as accurate though, Matt?

Not trying to be a pain or anything, I'm just curious. You seemed pretty adament about it last night here, are you the same way at the shop?

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When a customer asks my opinion. I tell them I prefer a drop away, and thats what I shoot. Most of the time they'll ask about a WB, and I'll say it's a great hunting rest. That way, I don't talk them down. If its the type of person who drags their bow out 1 week before season, and then puts it back after season, I'll tell them a WB would be better suited. I HONESTLY have never told anyone that has come into the shop that WB's aren't accurate. I've never been asked that question. I will say that they CAN damage vanes.

That's a fact though, I know I'll have people say that this isn't true if it's set up properly. Some will damage vanes and some won't. I don't know why it does it to only a certain few. When I was shooting a WB, I never had vane trouble, but I've had it happen to people who's bows I've set up. Even ones that tear perfect bullet holes.

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I think the WB's track record speaks for itself. I'll never shoot one, but I don't think it's a bad rest. Those Vegas targets show it's very consistent as well.

BTW, that's some nice shootin' Dan.

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Understood, Matt. I was only wondering because when asked last night, you skirted the question as to WHY you thought it was less accurate. No malice intended in my posts, I was just curious.

They do damage vanes. I had one rip off during this experiment. Partly my fault as I didn't put a dab of glue on the end of each vane.

They are noisy. My FMJ made an audible scraping noise as I drew it back.

Those weren't the issues in question. The issue was whether or not the WB was accurate past 20 yards, and my observations are that it is.

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Had one on my Tribby, loved it, hated it. It's accurate alright but it chewed up my arrows.

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What I would LOVE to have, is a Hooter Shooter. That would be a great way to test some stuff like this. I'm not saying human results are not enough proof, but I'd love to take the human element out of it.

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I have had a Whisker Biscuit on all my bows for the past few years. Compared to the open fork drop aways, I considered them a better hunting rest. However, in the past month I have gone to a containment drop away (QAD Ultra Hunter) on my primary hunting bow (05 Hoyt Protec); and plan to switch my backup hunting bow in the near future. Although the WB can shoot very good groups out to as far as I practice - 70 yards - they do not seem to be quite as forgiving as the drop away. I'm also concerned with the wear pattern at the bottom of the biscuit hole; which causes the point of impact to graduallydrop over time - and changes the tune a little - eventually requiring the biscuit to be replaced. Never had any fletching damage and really don't care about three fps.

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I think its personal preference and Washington Hunter showed us that it can/is as accurate as a drop away. The one thing about the WB is that if you have a flaw in your form eg: bad follow throughyou will see it in your arrow flight more with the WB than you would with a drop away due to the arrow being in contact with the rest.

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The only issues I have with the WB is they are not tuner friendly,which to me is a big issue.I mean tune by being able to get centershot set(properly) and vertical alignment set and a properly spined arrows to shoot field tips and broadheads in the same spot WHILE maintaining a good tear in paper.I have not seen one do it yet.I have a low poundage set up and can't stand to have kick in my arrow and I will not throw out the proper settings on the bow to get a good tear.

The other factor is forgiveness,I am not naturally a good shot and I have to work very hard to begood at it and need all the help I can get out of my equipment in that area.

That is not downplaying the effectiveness of the rest or accuracy but it isn't for me.

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Nice work, Dan.

WB worked for me a long time. 6 years. Drop away shooter now, as of today in fact.

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IMO the # 1 deciding factor in groups over 20 yards is if the bow and rest are set up correctly. if they are tight at 40 yards then you have it set up correctly and the shooter also has it in him to keep tight consistent groups. I shoot the WB and love it, i will probably try a dropaway, just because i can and keep it interesting :Dbut the WB goes to the woods everytime while hunting ;)

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I put one on my wife's bow because they are extremely easy to set up, it removes the possibility of the arrow falling off the rest as she is getting her bow into position, and it is inexpensive. All in all it is a great hunting rest. She easily shoots 4" diameter groups at 30 yards, and for a first year shooter who averages about 40 arrows a week spring-fall, that is pretty darn good.

When I first read the "not accurate?" part of the thread title I thought I was going to have to argue that it was. I am glad that all I have to do is agree:)

The only reason that I do not have one is simply because I have been using a metal prong rest for probably 15 years and I am just used to it.

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