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I just don't see how you could tell when it is wearing out, besides when you start to loose accuracy. I also don't like what it did to the fletching on a few arrows when I tried one. I'm from the "Old School" of no fletch contact. I think it is a good rest just not a great rest.

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Achieved on a WB mounted bow....


DISCLAIMER:(from ten yards....):)

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I dont know if anyone has said this or what but here is my 2 cents on the topic. I wb vs a drop away. I am a believer in a drop away. Heres why if you shoot an arrowwith a drop awayand after the shot you have bad release form you can get away with it because nothing is touching the arrow vs the WB is guideing the arrow until it is completely through. If you have great form and learn how to shoot through the shoot its just as accurate as the drop away but for that ice cold, big buck occasion its nice to know that, you have a little room of error in your form

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GMMAT,
From my golf days i recall not being able to use what the big dogs were using. They used these thin forged blade clubs with the smallest sweet spot immaginable. Personally, it was easier for me to hit the perimeter weighted clubs because they were more forgiving to us hacks.
Even now, the hottest selling clubs are the Hybrids but the vast majority of the top pros are not using them.

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Is it because you couldn't use it.....or it wasn't available to you?

I used MP14's, MP29's (I think that was that model) and a set of Cleveland Classic Byron Nelson Blades that Roger himself had made for me. The top equipment was available to you.

Your analogy brings up a good point, though. Lots of guys are using equipment (in golf and in archery....because target archery and golf are strikingly similar).....not because it's the "best". They're using it because it's cheap and user-friendly.

Probably more guys hitting TopFlite balls every weekend around the US than any other ball. But I don't think anyone in the know would tell you it's the "best";).

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I'm just saying that just because the pros are using it doesn't make it right for me or that i can even use it effectively.

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I didn't imply that. I asked "WHY" are they using it?

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Because they get paid. Pro bowlers will use whatever company is paying the most for exposure on TV. It has been argued by many (even in public) that Tiger uses inferior gear in Nike because they pay him so much and he is so good he can get away with it.

TV or "name" hunters are no different...........EVERY one of them would switch ANY piece of gear they have in a second if offered enough money. Will Primos looks into the camera one day and says PSE is the greatest bow out there and the next day is pushing Fred Bear..........if he REALLY liked PSE so much wouldn't he still be shooting them??

I have little doubt that Chuck Adams could kill just about anything walking with any setup out there if given adequate practice time..........just as I am sure Phil or Tiger could grab my clubs and a box a Pinnacle's and go shoot a 65.

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1question.....and we'll know if we need to discuss this any further...

Do you really believe that Tiger Woods thinks he's (and IS)going to the course every day with "inferior equipment"?

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I would think the real question is whether he thinks he is going to the course every day with equipment that is superior to everything else. And that is the crux of the whole "equipment" question, to me anyway. Is there something else that is superior to what I am using. And, IMO, there is a whole lot of equal out there and very little superior.

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That's taking it a step further, for sure.

When tiger was playing as an amatuer....he utilized MP14 and MP29 Mizuno irons. When he signed with Titleist.....the blade they made for him was......an MP14 with a Titleist stamp on it. Through R&D they developed a new line.....just so he wouldn't be thinking about this.

Through R&D....Nike did the same thing. they made their new irons to Tiger's EXACT specs and wants. I can assure you he thinks he's going to the course every day with SUPERIOR equipment. If he didn't....he'd use something else (like he did a few years ag when he was frustrated with Nike's Drivers and went back to his Titleist Driver).;) He was endorsing Nike....but using something (driver) he felt was SUPERIOR.

He is not going to go into a gunfight with a knife ......just because he's endorsing knives.;)

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This is a BIG misconception!

First of all, no matter what rest you're using, the arrow is still connected to the string! If your form is bad or your follow through not right your arrow flight will STILL BE EFFECTED! You drop away guys act like as soon as the rest drops your arrow is free from the bow...Sorry to "drop" this on you but it will be connected to the bow until it's released from the string and therefore will still be effected by poor form.

Also,it's been argued thatit's actually better to keep the arrow ON the rest as long as possible before release. You are finding that more and more of the drop away rest companies trying to figure out how to keep the arrow on the rest for as long as possible and still get the prongs to drop away and clear the fletchings at the last moment....Don't believe me? Take a look at the advertisement for the new "Wammy" drop away.;)This actually is a plus for the WB

Next, has anyone even stopped to think just how short a time the arrow is attachedto the bow (string or rest)at the time of the release?? Milliseconds folks milliseconds. It would be very difficult to effect the flight of the arrow (once released) even if you tried!

No, 99% of the time your form is bad BEFORE the shot. If your not following through correctly it won't matter what rest you have on your bow. Once youtouch the release that arrow is off the string and away from the bow before you can even blink!

Does it stay in contact with the rest longer than a drop away? Yes it does but has ANYONE actually clocked what that difference in time is?? I bet if you did you'd be surprised at just how insignificant that number really is.

And now were finding out that it's actually better to keep the arrow on the rest as long as possible....go figure.[&:]

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But if the other golfers' sponsors are doing the same thing for them then who is to say what is really superior. Certainly if we all had custom made gear suited to each of us that would be great but we are stuck with production line equipment and, as I said earlier, there is a whole lot of equal out there and very few superior.

I don't think the WB is any better or any worse than a half dozen other rests on the market. Same with sights, etc.

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I'm sure he thinks he is going in with a superior complete package.......equipment being only part of that equation. I have no doubt he wouldn't feel any worse about his chances if he was using different clubs or balls.........or if the other guy was playing Nike stuff.

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We could have this debate all day...........it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

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Good question. But to correlate this back to the thread.....I don't see any of the top golfers in the world using brush tees and hitting Top Flites.....no matter how much money the companies are willing to sling at 'em.

A simply asked many moons ago.....If the WB is as accurate as the other rests....wouldn't we see a large percentage of the top archers in the world using them?

When we want to know about performance in automobiles....we look to the guys pushing the envelope in that arena. When we want to talk about accuracy in Archery.....wouldn't we do the same?

It's got nothing to do with whether or not the WB is a good hunting rest, or not. It is. Conceded.

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I have a Viper Predator Pro sight with all the bells and whistles..........was $150 I believe.........nice sight......it's sitting on my desk right now staring at me. I have a plain black Copper John Dead Nuts Hunter that cost me $40 I think about 5 years ago..........never had a problem killing a deer with it.

We like to make things more complex then they really are.........the WSSM would not exist if this were not true ;)

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They don't use drop aways either.

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Ive only just switched from the WB to a Ripcord and that was because i had wanted to try a dropaway it had nothing to do with a inaccurate WB shot my first few deer with a WB and had no problems with them being inaccurate i dont know where people got that idea:eek:

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What hunting rest are the top archers in the world using?

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Cue the crickets........

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I don't remember saying (because I didn't) that they did. I don't know where this is coming from.

Didn't ask this, either.

I asked....if the WB is as accurate as any rest on the market....why aren't the top archers in the world (who DEFINE "accuracy" as it relates to archery) using it? Not just one or two guys....but as a large percentage.

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Couldn't they be using a WB for hunting?

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Atlas and BigJ

Have you guys seen Bowtechs new arrow rest?

What do you guys think?

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Bruce:

I'm pretty sure the top archers in the world aren't using a "hunting" rest.

That's why I didn't answer your question.

And since you've amended your post I'll answer.....well....on second thought....no I won't.

You guys keep trying to spin this as I'm saying the rest isn't a great hunting rest. I don't care if it is or isn't........but I've conceded that it is. But the thread was talking about accuracy. I asked the simple question....which no one seems to want to answer.

If the WB is as accurate as any rest.....why aren't the top archers in the world using it on a consistant and high percentage level?

It's got nothing to do with whether it's a good hunting rest...or if it's "better" than a fall away. I couldn't care less about either of those things. One I conceded and the other I don't care to argue about.

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What do they use when they hunt?

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Don't know....don't care....has nothing to do with the "accuracy" claims.

Ask Matt/PA which of his bows is more "accurate"......and ask him which one he hunts with.;)

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Germ,

Old news Bow Tech didn't invent that rest, they bought out another company (name slips me right now) I purchased one to give it a test....it's ok but now way near a WB. The main problem is if you have more than a 4deg. offset on your vanes/feathers then either the leading edge will contact the vane or if you rotate it so the leading edge doesn't hit then the trailing edge does.

Also, it's made of a plastic polymer, while it seemed to be sturdy, I prefer an all metal rest.

Last and most important, if you bump an arrow on that rest it's going to send it through the bristles and clang against the plastic ring of the rest. They supply mole skin to put on that area for that very reason. Then you will have to re-set it back into position. If you bump an arrow on the WB it will reset itself. My bow is a "mole skin free" zone.:D

It's not a bad rest and I'm waiting to see what upgrades were done to it before I make a final decision on it...for now nothing touches the WB.

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Granted, there are some top competitve shooters using Hoyt, Bowtech, etc, but the large percentage of them still use a Matthews, and according to their advertisements, their shooters still win the overwhelming majority of competitive shoots.

So should we all be shooting Matthews?Same logic is it not:D

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Thx looking at it that is what I thought about bumping it. I wanted some real world views.

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It seems you missed the point. Car racers don't drive around town in their race cars but I am sure they drive a car they like. Just like competition archers may not hunt with their competition gear but they may use hunting gear that they like, such as a WB. Then we would be comparing apples to apples. To say that, since a competition archer doesn't use a WB (a hunting rest) in competition archery because it isn't good enough, is comparing apples to oranges.

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Although I think you can make those statistics say anything you want (when it comes to titles and bow mfr's).....your post (claim) has merit. If I were a competitive archer...and I thought Mathews was the cutting edge in target archery ......you darned right I'd shoot one. In any endeavor I take seriously.....I'd like to think I was on an even playing field with my fellow competitiors.

I don't care what the average archer shoots. The claim has been made that the WB is as accurate as any rest on the market. I simply asked......if that's true.....

.....well....you know.

Bruce....when those race drivers ride around town in their WB's.....they're not required to be as accurate as they are on the race course.

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I use the WB.....[8D]

I just close my eyes when I shoot..... and become the arrow...;)

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Well then, using your logic we should all use the rests that competition archers use because we will be more accurate with them when we go hunting ;).

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is it accurate?....[:-]

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Yeah Kyle... the WB's accurate.

But its soo loud... luckily the deer I hunt are deaf..[8D]

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Germ,

Like I said, it's a decent rest nothing to write home about though. It's been out for a while but nobody gave it any kind of decent review until Bow Tech bought out the company.......now it's the next best thing since sliced toast.....go figure.:eek:

I GAVE mine away on BigJ's Late Night Giveaway.:D

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See there you go throwing in hunting, again.....

I feel quite safely in saying the race car driver.....driving around in his favorite street car....knows FULL WELL it isn't as high performance as his Sunday ride.;)

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Has this thread seriously gotten this far off track?

The point was to show that the WB is an accurate rest past 20 yards.

It was not posted saying that it is the most accurate rest on the market.

Jeff, you're absolutely right as I mentioned in PM last night. If it were that accurate, more pros would likely be shooting it.

However, and I feel like a damn broken record here, that is NOT the point of this thread. Yes, it was a spin off from the thread started two nights ago

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Now that’s funny…

I’ve only used the WB, since I’ve only had one hand-me-down bow, and it came with it… and mine is much uglier than the one in the pic. The threads on mine look like twigs compared to those!

I’ve shot bows with the drop away. Sure seemed neat, but it didn’t seem like it would work for still-hunting on the ground. The WB will allow you to move the bow anyway you want and keep the arrow on the rest. But hey, I aint no pro baby… I wonder what the Indians used; thumb?

Hey bigJ,
Let me know when the next late night giveaway is!