Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
01-21-2008 | 08:19 AM
#91
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RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: quiksilver
This right here is all I'm sayin'.
You can get mad about it, make all the excuses you want, cry in your cereal, beat the kids, or poke out the eyeballs of your quiksilver voodoo doll... You can maybe make yourself feel better by knowing you paid twice as much as I did. You can buy a bigger truck to make up for your bow's "inadequacy."
But, as they say,the proof's in the pudding. And I could make it go faster if I wanted. How ya like them apples?
HCA Power.
Zing Pow baby.
Zing muthaflippin' Pow!
This right here is all I'm sayin'.
You can get mad about it, make all the excuses you want, cry in your cereal, beat the kids, or poke out the eyeballs of your quiksilver voodoo doll... You can maybe make yourself feel better by knowing you paid twice as much as I did. You can buy a bigger truck to make up for your bow's "inadequacy."
But, as they say,the proof's in the pudding. And I could make it go faster if I wanted. How ya like them apples?
HCA Power.
Zing Pow baby.
Zing muthaflippin' Pow!
Be my guest! Live and Learn![8D]
Dan
01-21-2008 | 08:20 AM
#92
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
Fran,
I really am glad you're so happy with your bow, seriously. It helps lock you into our ranks as a bowhunter.
Just curious, though -- how many grains per pound are you shooting to get that number?
I really am glad you're so happy with your bow, seriously. It helps lock you into our ranks as a bowhunter.
Just curious, though -- how many grains per pound are you shooting to get that number?
01-21-2008 | 08:36 AM
#93
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: Greg / MO
Fortunately, Gundeck... this forum doesn't see too much of "bash the other brands"... There's certainly guys in here who are proud of what they shoot, and that spirit is represented in many different brands. But I really haven't seen the "bash other brands" modus operandi to put "yours" on top... If you want some true examples of that at least 50 times a day, go read AT for a little bit.
To your point... I think you could very well be right. The binary cam came about as a result of an engineer working in a completely different field other than archery, but he had a love of bows and bowhunting. He had an idea for a "better mousetrap", built a prototype on his own and approached a large company with it. Long story short, they hired him, he's now the Research & Development Director, and Bowtech never looked back.
Fortunately, Gundeck... this forum doesn't see too much of "bash the other brands"... There's certainly guys in here who are proud of what they shoot, and that spirit is represented in many different brands. But I really haven't seen the "bash other brands" modus operandi to put "yours" on top... If you want some true examples of that at least 50 times a day, go read AT for a little bit.
To your point... I think you could very well be right. The binary cam came about as a result of an engineer working in a completely different field other than archery, but he had a love of bows and bowhunting. He had an idea for a "better mousetrap", built a prototype on his own and approached a large company with it. Long story short, they hired him, he's now the Research & Development Director, and Bowtech never looked back.
01-21-2008 | 08:51 AM
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RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d
Well I think Bowtech has cetainly been innovative and I think this has pushed all the other Companies to make changes, wehn they could have just rested on thier sales numbers.
I guess the question could be...what more do you want? I mean we've seen split limbs, solid limbs, split risers, shoot through risers, no risers, plenty of speed. 1 cam 2 cam 1.5 cam. We've seen cable slides, cable rollers, all kinds of STS systems. We've seen bows that don't need a bow press. We've seen brace heights increase, Long ATA's Short ATA's. Higher Let-off..blah blah blah. We've seen Bow Companies put more attention to Quality strings out-of-the-box.
What else do we NEED? I'm sure if you (anyone) could recommend a new direction and it made sense..some bow company would love to hear it!
Perhaps the next big thing will be in equipment..something more tuned to the individualbow..instead of mix and match? I dunno [:-]
Well I think Bowtech has cetainly been innovative and I think this has pushed all the other Companies to make changes, wehn they could have just rested on thier sales numbers.
I guess the question could be...what more do you want? I mean we've seen split limbs, solid limbs, split risers, shoot through risers, no risers, plenty of speed. 1 cam 2 cam 1.5 cam. We've seen cable slides, cable rollers, all kinds of STS systems. We've seen bows that don't need a bow press. We've seen brace heights increase, Long ATA's Short ATA's. Higher Let-off..blah blah blah. We've seen Bow Companies put more attention to Quality strings out-of-the-box.
What else do we NEED? I'm sure if you (anyone) could recommend a new direction and it made sense..some bow company would love to hear it!
Perhaps the next big thing will be in equipment..something more tuned to the individualbow..instead of mix and match? I dunno [:-]
01-21-2008 | 08:51 AM
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RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
I would have to give my nod not to a "bow" company, but to Rage. From what I am seeing they are doing things to the "buisness" that the bow companies are not. 60 lb and less bows putting "bullet" type holes in deer. As far as a bow builder I would like to see more on the Lone Wolf bow. They sure set the mark with the portable stand market.
01-21-2008 | 08:51 AM
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RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
Greg - that was around 3.7 gpp @ 29". If I went all the way down to warranty limit, and put a little pre-load on the cams,I could probably scare 400. Problem is, I can't build an arrow that light. Coming up with a 210 grain arrow after adding an insert/nock/tipisn't easy.
There's a guy on AT who has a 30+" draw length, and he's beenshooting a lighter arrow than minein the 405-412 range off of an Iron Mace. He'll probably pick up some more speed when hegoes from the Iron Mace to the Speed Force, b/c his brace height will go from 7.25 - under 7, and I think the f/d curve is little tighter. They're advertising a 7" bh on the Speed Force, but I'd suspect it's closer to 6.75. They advertised a 7.5" bh on my mace, but it's closer to 7.25.Trying to manipulate sales by puffing the numbers a bit. You know. They're all guilty.
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=534920&highlight=412
There's a guy on AT who has a 30+" draw length, and he's beenshooting a lighter arrow than minein the 405-412 range off of an Iron Mace. He'll probably pick up some more speed when hegoes from the Iron Mace to the Speed Force, b/c his brace height will go from 7.25 - under 7, and I think the f/d curve is little tighter. They're advertising a 7" bh on the Speed Force, but I'd suspect it's closer to 6.75. They advertised a 7.5" bh on my mace, but it's closer to 7.25.Trying to manipulate sales by puffing the numbers a bit. You know. They're all guilty.
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=534920&highlight=412
01-21-2008 | 08:55 AM
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RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: quiksilver
Greg - that was around 3.7 gpp @ 29". If I went all the way down to warranty limit, and put a little pre-load on the cams,I could probably scare 400. Problem is, I can't build an arrow that light. Coming up with a 210 grain arrow after adding an insert/nock/tipisn't easy.
There's a guy on AT who has a 30+" draw length, and he's beenshooting a similar arrow to minein the 405-412 range off of an Iron Mace. He'll probably pick up some more speed when hegoes from the Iron Mace to the Speed Force, b/c his brace height will go from 7.25 - under 7, and I think the f/d curve is little tighter. They're advertising a 7" bh on the Speed Force, but I'd suspect it's closer to 6.75. They advertised a 7.5" bh on my mace, but it's closer to 7.25.Trying to manipulate sales by puffing the numbers a bit. You know. They're all guilty.
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=534920&highlight=412
Greg - that was around 3.7 gpp @ 29". If I went all the way down to warranty limit, and put a little pre-load on the cams,I could probably scare 400. Problem is, I can't build an arrow that light. Coming up with a 210 grain arrow after adding an insert/nock/tipisn't easy.
There's a guy on AT who has a 30+" draw length, and he's beenshooting a similar arrow to minein the 405-412 range off of an Iron Mace. He'll probably pick up some more speed when hegoes from the Iron Mace to the Speed Force, b/c his brace height will go from 7.25 - under 7, and I think the f/d curve is little tighter. They're advertising a 7" bh on the Speed Force, but I'd suspect it's closer to 6.75. They advertised a 7.5" bh on my mace, but it's closer to 7.25.Trying to manipulate sales by puffing the numbers a bit. You know. They're all guilty.
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=534920&highlight=412
Been there done all that
Dan
01-21-2008 | 10:53 AM
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RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
Like Dan said, been there done that. Increasing arrow speed with lighter arrows and shorter brace heights are old news. Try as I might, I fail to see'innovation' there.
01-21-2008 | 11:12 AM
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RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
You fail to see a lot of things, Art. 
Namely, the technology to build a 5.5 gpi arrow, built to handle big-game hunting at +/- .001 straightness, that is stiffer than any other arrow on the market, thus eliminating energy loss due to shaftflexion upon release.Even at mind-warping speeds.
I must have missedthe newpaper clipping the last time somebody tried to market that "old" idea.
Namely, the technology to build a 5.5 gpi arrow, built to handle big-game hunting at +/- .001 straightness, that is stiffer than any other arrow on the market, thus eliminating energy loss due to shaftflexion upon release.Even at mind-warping speeds.
I must have missedthe newpaper clipping the last time somebody tried to market that "old" idea.