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Badgergirl: No... but you're a hypocrite if you claim to support hunters, and you can easily do something to help them, but you refuse to do it - out of your own greed.

Like if you had the cure to cancer - but you just chose to give it to your friends.

You have the deer, you just pick and choose who gets to hunt them.

Are you really a "team player" if you're hording a limited resource - a resource which is in high demand? I don't think so.

I also don't think there's anything wrong with it. Greedy? Yes. Hypocritical? Absolutely. Just calling a duck a duck.

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This post is about one thing

haves and have nots

I have a lot, and a lot more people have more than me:D I really don't care, I work hard and take care of my family. I help who I can, a lot people help more than some know. They just do not toot theur horn about it, which is the point;)

Create Fran world and let everything be free, let us know how that works out;)

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Giving permission to hunt is like sharing the cure for cancer?? Somebody is off their meds[8D]

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Going going , GONE:D Ok common sense has left the building.

Please use the rear exits, and leave this thread now

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I bet you have a pantry full of food right now thatis not goingto hungry people in your community. You must be rooting against them and hoping they starve to death, right?

If not, then your actions don't reflect your words.

I bet you have enough money to buy a Christmas present for one more poor child in your community. Do you hope they have a miserable Christmas too?

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Come on guys, I still have some time left on my lunch hour. This is going to be a boring afternoon if you call a truce now. [8D]:D

We all know that trivial things like common sense and logic aren't needed in this place.

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BTW I am looking to buy land in Ohio, you were on my list to invite:D

Going have to do some serious sucking up to get back on[8D]

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Wow, yet another chest thumping thread.

Fran, my question to you is how does turning somebody down from hunting your property (which you worked for and paid for) instantly causing them to have less luck throughout the season? Since when did turning somebody down instantly mean that their season was going to be a bust?

This whole post is a huge joke and partially why I haven't posted as much lately as I use to. With each season that passes I keep seeing more and more chest thumping egos starting up instead of just getting out and enjoying hunting. Why must everybody try to cut down others ways of hunting. One minute it is archers saying that they are superior hunters over rifle hunters, next its public land hunters saying they are superior hunters over private land hunters because it is harder. Baiting vs non-baiting. Deer drives vs stand hunters, ect.. Do you have to cut others down to make yourself feel better and to justify how you hunt? I have seen plenty examples in this post, all the comments about how an archer passes deer just to have your "one day wonder" shoot him with a rifle..... who in the world are you to criticize that hunters knowledge and accomplishments? That guy could have forgot more about deer hunting than you will learn in a lifetime, but you are so quick to judge him simply by his weapon choice. Thats just sad and pathetic.

Here is an idea..... forget what others are doing and just go hunt, trust me, it will be much more enjoyable when you decide to hunt for the enjoyment, not so you can thump your chest and proclaim yourself as the worlds greatest deer hunter, I am pretty sure Jackie Bushman has that locked up anyways :eek:

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No, I don't root against gun hunters. I also hunt with a gun.

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Can I have his spot? [8D]

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What are any of us even doing online. To show our wholehearted support for our fellow humans, we should all be in a lab somewhere serving as human guinea pigs for the development of AIDS vaccines. And that is positive proof that bow hunters have a right to wish bad luck on gun hunters.

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Seriously...Amen. I posted back on page 7 was it? I thought the post could/should have died then. There was a point Quick had to this post originally, and although we may not all agree on it, there was a point. Now this thread is just kind of funny:D

I get the feeling from many members on here (some of whom are very helpful and otherwise very knowledgable) that they truly think of themselves as maybe not superior, but somehow more respected for being archery-only hunters. It's very sad, since there's a few members on here I would really love to sit down and talk hunting with and get out and do some shooting. But then you wonder if that person really trully has that type of attitude he/she displays online, and then I would rather pass.

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You are on the list also, because I am such a jerk, I am only going to invite some members on HNI. Not all of them.

I will say this, the people I was looking to invite were ones who do not have access to some great ground that I know on HNI. I wanted to share what it is like to hunt great hunting land, but since Fran has pointed out, I can not do it with entire country, I am a jerk:eek:

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BG - I never claimed to be a champion of the starving masses or the needy. But I'll humor you...

I donate about $50 a year to thanksgiving and xmas food drives, and took a new football to the Stuff-a-bus for poor kids. The stark reality is that $50 and a football is where I draw the line and say "enough for you, the rest is for me." I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that I am doing everything in my power for the good of the needy.

I'm adult enough to admit that I am putting myself in front of those less fortunate. I have a commodity (food) that is in need, and I choose to keep it for myself (except for $50 in canned food that I take to my mom's church). I do it because I'm selfish, and i'm not willing to starve myself so that those less fortunate can eat. It's human nature, and we all do it.

Everybody does it- it's all about where you draw the line. How far are you willing to go?

I say that if you are going to come here and claim to the world that you "support all hunters" carte blanche - then it is what it is. You should do everything in your power to help them, even if it means letting a total stranger come over to your place and shoot a deer.

If not, just admit that you're being greedy, and hording your deer for yourself.

It is what it is.

Where do I draw the line? Friends/Family. I'd put any one of my buddies or family membersin my best stand in the peak of the rut, whether I was tagged out or not. That's just how I roll. Outside that narrow circle - everyone else can fend for themselves. Maybe that makes me some kind of hunting antichrist, who knows?

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Not even a valid point on page 7. Big difference between passive (for want of a better term) support for someone and wishing failure on them.The comment about a cure for cancer kind of became the straw that broke the camels back. There's something nutty in PA>

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Agreed!!!! I think this is how most on this site feel...However, they aren't man enough to admit it. I know I do!!!

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I can't go against gun hunters, for that would mean that I would be against my father. He is the reason that I started hunting in the first place. I go rifle hunting with him the first two days of the season for tradition. I don't care if I would get anything, but I try my best to have something go past him or my son (hasn't got a deer yet).

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GREG!!! The Site Buck Guru also hunts with a gun? OMG!!!! [8D]

(Kidding of course)......BTW we need to set dates for your Canadian hunt next year.

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Now that's gospel right there.

Germ - I didn't say you're a jerk. Just a hypocrite. [&:]

BM - Sorry if I offended you on so many levels. I wasn't ragging on anyone else for their way of hunting. I was just seeing what everyone else's opinion was of other guys hunting the same herd. So kill me if I'm not jumping for joy if I hear about some gun hunter cranking a big 3.5 off of my favorite archery farm. I might give them a hollow "Congratulations" - but deep down - I'm thinking "Man, that would have been a SLAMMER next year... Damn."

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Go,

I think that plenty of folks will admit to that philosophy. But it doesn't mean that someone can't still be supportive of other hunters and instead must wish failure on them to avoid being a hypocrite.

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You ain't greedy.You didn't treat me that way.

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So does that mean she shared her cure for cancer with you[8D]

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Just shared some info about a spot I was interested in. He's a good guy in my book.

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I am saying exactly what I typed. As far as your translation those are your words not mine. I would say you misinterpreted what I meant and are trying to stretch and morph it to somehow fit into your "argument" and I am using argumnent loosely here. There was bit of sarcasm in the 10 point comment above, but I'm sure you knew that. If I am hunting an area and others are hunting it I don't wish for them to be unsuccessful, if they do have success and especially if they kill a good buck I have seendo I wish I could have put myself in a positionto kill it, sure I do, I am honest enough to admit that but that doesn't mean I won't recognize and congratulatethem on their accomplishment and feel excited for them.Their accomplishmentwill just drive me to hunt harderand try to put myself in a position to score and I don't take anything from them orhope theyare unsuccessful in the future more realistically I will pick their brain and seeifthey are doing somethingdifferently that I might be able to learn from.

There is no slice of heaven I am hunting and there certainly isn't any "reserving" deer. It is open season and that is pretty self explanatory. Do I want to see myself, mydad, mybrother or son kill a buck? Of course I dothey are the guys I hunt with they are my familythere is a strong bond/connection in our camp. That being said we are very friendlywith the neighboring hunters and help them whenever we can(trailing deer, stuck trucks, lost dogs, etc.) and often joke around with them about killing deer, missing deer, and everything else hunting related. They are not bad guys and we are happy for them when they kill even if they are not in "our" camp literally(as far as my family/friends)they are still good hunters and figuratively speaking they are in the same "camp"(legal/ethical hunters)asus so I wish them well. I hope that makes sense.

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Well, even good guys can twist off from time to time.

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Wow!! I am such a slow typer. By the time I replied there was like 3 more pages.

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I support 'ANYBODY" who pursues the wiley whitetail provided they follow the rules of fair chase, regardless of whichever "LEGAL" method they so desire. We as hunter's can no longer afford to be fractionalizing ourselves, as the anti's despise 'ALL" forms of hunting. Here's hoping we've all had meaningful experiences this past season. Happy Holidays!!!

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Fran, that post wasn't pointed directly at you, just the board in general as of late. I just don't agree with your posts, plain and simple. To me a person can wish for the best for other hunters yet not allow them on his property. The landowner worked hard to get what he has and it is his right to do what he wants with it. Simply by turning the hunter down from his property doesn't mean that he instantly wants him to have bad luck and eat tag soup. It also doesn't mean that hunter can't go to the neighbor and get permission to hunt his property and shoot one of the deer that spent time on the landowners property.

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Thanks...very reasonable...and I think I probably agree.

My point is..... that you probably still wish the poor and hungry kids in your community all the best. You hope they are happy and don't starve and have a fun Christmas. But there is a line you draw...you can't help them all. Just because you draw a line does not make you a hypocrite. You genuinely wish them the best and you support them...you just aren't willing to open your doors to eveyone. Nothing wrong or hypocritical about that.

The same is true when it comes to supporting fellow hunters. It is possible to wish them all the best and support them, without being a hypocriteif you don't allow the masses to hunt in your stand. I think there is somesimilarity there.

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Scot - Here again, you're not going to share EVERY piece of information with every guy you come across (keeping the keys to the castle), right? So, it's fair to say that you're not being as "helpful" as you "could" be, right?

That all goes back to the gamesmanship of public hunting. There are material items stored in the old databank that are only divulged to your closest friends.

You're just not going to spill the beans to just anyone. That's all part of the game, and you're not going to let your hard workgo down the toilet by broadcasting all your scoutingobservations with everyone at the parking lot- I agree 100%.

My point is: This is selfish behavior. There's nothing wrong with it. I do the same thing. But it is what it is.

Just bothers me that some guys are acting like they do everything possible to help fellow hunters succeed - when that is probably not the case. Be it hording deer on private ground and limiting outside access, or hording scouting/field observatory information and not sharing it with the other guys hunting the same area, discouraging a gun hunter from going into a certain area.... Things we all do to tip the scales inour favor...

Greedy? Certainly. A necessary evil where the competition is tough? I think so.

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Ok that is much better:D, you're still off the list[:-]

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I don't think I've seen that here. I have seen some guys wishing their fellow hunters succeed but that is a far, far cry from claiming they do everything possible to help fellow hunters succeed.

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What any of that has to do with supporting the philosophy of wishing failure on other hunters because of their hunting style remains foggy to me.

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Please keep common sense out of this thread BL[8D]

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We all have to be comfortable with where that line is as it relates to the extent of sharing.There are all kinds of hunters out there.I have a soft spot for old timers,and for kids,and for new hunters who are sincerely working their tails off but havn't quite put the pieces together and will likely extend myself more with these individuals.But the difficult to get to or hidden area's,or consistent big buck or game rich area's that I have put forth the sweat and shoe leather to fine are mine until someone else finds them on their own.
As an aside I had a friend who was an extremely accomplished hunter,(possibly the best I had ever known) who would use my sense of ethics against me.He knew if he told me he hunted certain area's that I would stay out of them,at one point I said to him Stanley you can't lock up the entire county so you need to stop mentioning every area you have ever hunted or may hunt.We all have to come to terms with our sense of right and wrong and fairness.

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Fair enough Bruce... So take it one step further... If everybody here is just "wishing" that their fellow hunters succeed - but they're not actually doing anything about it (Let's just pretend that they COULD if they WANTED TO)...

Then are they really being "supportive?" Or are they just sitting back on their heels while everybody else drowns in failure?

In my world view: You're either helping somebody, or you're not. If you're not, just be a big boy and be prepared to admit that you're not.

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Fran if I am ever in trouble, you're my Lawyer[8D]

BTW I wish you well for your 2008 season;)

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False logic yet again. Not bending over backwards tohelp someone is not the same as wishing failure on them.

What else ya got?

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Well, I suppose in your world view that everyone would post maps of where they see every rub and scrape, every buck group sighting, every animal they see and every animal they shoot and evryone could hunt on evryone else's property. And they would post these maps on the "map wall" at every pro shop in every town. Nice fantasy, but it hardly makes your point.

But what we do when leaving public property and meeting other hunters is tell them what we saw, where and when we saw it. They have done the same for us. Hunters we didn't know, sharing information with each other to be "supportive" of each other. We help when the opportunity presents itself. I would consider that being "supportive".

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I gun hunt as well... If I had to choose, I would rather bow hunt all day long...