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Fran come on out hunting, I have a good place for you.

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Yeah, like his idea of giving permission to someone you caught trespassing. "I've caught you on my land without permission,carrying a weaponandin the act of committing a felony. That's fine, just make yourself at home."Talk about a lack of common sense.

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I don't own or need a GPS but if your familiar with Fon Du Lac county, go to County roads S and county roads G. Park along side of the road and climb up the HUGE ridge and there are a few different trees that I hunt out of depending on the winds. You can spot them from a distance from the climber/sticks marks. The deer will come from the west in the late afternoon and from the north in the mornings(off the fields)! Great spot, all are welcome, no lie, even the 10%ers! If anyone is planning on going PM me and I'll meet you there and help you out if needed, maybe even become friends!:)

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As opposed to putting YOUR foot in YOUR mouth!;):D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Ditto.

I think some here do not realize the number of deer we would have to take to keep the herds healthy. And no, more deer do not equal bigger racks. More deer equal crap racks because of all the comp. for food. Dont believe me, visit a State park that does not have a cull season. Sick little deer.

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My Dad and two of my sons use guns for hunting and I hunted for many years with a gun -- I'm a Life NRA member who supports gun owners. However, I started using just a bow for hunting deer a few years ago. It's my choice and I don't wish to impose that on anyone else. What we have around my area is a few slob hunters who hunt exclusively with guns and shoot anything that moves in or around any area they happen to be in -- and that includes trespassing to do so. They shoot fawns, as many bucks as they see, they cripple deer that never should have been shot at, ,etc. THOSE guys are the ones who I want to eat tag soup. a good friend of mine farms much of the area around my place and it's his crops that feed a lot of these deer and he only guns hunts. Of course I wish him the best of luck as well as the ethical guys who obey the law. The slobs are what sours me on it.

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Oh look! Another popcorn post .......


my answer is simply ..... no, I support all hunters

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The sheer numbers of gun hunters means there are gonna be more bad apples. But that works with everything. There are far more people who hunt with modern compound bows than crossbows,traditional recurves, or even primitive style bows. So, it is safe to bet that there are more instances of trespassing, crippled deer, slobhunting, etc. among compound bow hunters.

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Well Congratulations BHF - you're officially the first guy in the history of huntingnet who has posted detailed directions totheir owngood stand site. I can honestly say that you're one of the very tiny minority who puts others before himself.

Props to you, man.

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Hey PT....I think Fran has a point. "Supporting" all hunters.....and rooting for their success.....are two different things (IMO).

I support anyone hunting around me (or ANYWHERE)....as long as they're legal and ethical. Now.....do I hope the guys doing it legally and ethically all take bucks from the same herd I'm hunting?

Honestly? Nope.

Is this "competition"? Sure. Is this way of thinking "wrong"? I suppose some will see it that way. Around here....I don't "think" there's a "lot" of good bucks to go around (if EVERYONE were successful in taking their limit. I don't wish any ill will on any fellow hunter....but I'd be lying if I said I hoped they all were successful in filling their tags.

Weapon of choice has no bearing in my way of thought, though.

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Well, Quik, ya better start sharing the love with others of us as well. I've actually let members of this sitethat i didn't know hunt my land when they needed a spot.

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Jeff, seriously, I hunt with others, and I am glad when they score .... don't get me wrong .... last year was a dry one for me and when they scored and I didn't, the pill seemed so much bigger and harder to swallow for some reason;)But this year the tables were turned ... they scored .... just not as well as I did ..... I hunt all seasons though and I also am not a part of a BBM program, so what others take will not stop me from filling my freezer ....... as with everything else .... it's all subjective :)

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Quick

Ask TFox when his buddy needed a place to hunt in KY, I sent him the GPS coordinates where i hunted. Another buddy in MI wanted to hunt in KY, I sent him all the info I had, including GPS coordinates.

Reading through this today, to me it seems to be more about not having access to land of your own.
So a guy like me has no say in "Hey I support all hunters" as I sit in my paradise;) Correct?
If I was in your shoes my views my be differnent.

Since I tell those to hunt my land to "go pound sand" I am rooting against them sort off in a differnet way, is this your point?

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Funny how the guys posting in the beginning of this thread have all the sudden clammed up - now that we're asking for directions to their stand sites. LOL

What happened to the team player attitude?

To me it looks like "I root for everyone else to do well, just so long as they're not eating my lunch."

Jeff - I don't really discriminate between gun or bow hunters either. It's not that I hope that just thegunners eat their tags... It's more that I hope everyone hunting the same herd as me (gun or bow) is unsuccessful. It stings a little less when it's a dedicated bowhunter, b/c I can at least appreciate his success. But, it really stings when you hear about some one-day-wonder gun hunter going onto one of my go-to farms for an hour on opening day andlucking intoa big buck running for its lifeoff a deer drive.

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Thanks! There has been plenty of people offering there best spots to others on this site! TeeJay has invited me to his place countless times, with Gun or Bow and he doesn't Gun hunt!;) I just can't get it together on my end! I hoping for next year if the offer still stands!

So I think I'm part of a bigger majority than you know of or care to see! Just my opinion!

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Fran if you want to hunt your own land, buy some;) The land down the street went for 12,000-15,000 an acre. Make me an offer:D

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Yes, since you're telling the neighbors and public to stay out - you're saying (with your actions) - that these deer are mine, and I intend to horde them for myself. I want no outside pressure disrupting my hunts.

...and those guys were your FRIENDS. You'd have to be a major-league jerk not to help out a buddy in need of a good place to hunt. I'm sure there are a few guys reading this right now who know that I'm not afraid to sharequality info with a homeboy in need.

We're talking about the rest of the world... Not your friends/family. Anyone would help out a friend.

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That is what comes with ownership Fran, the owners right to invite who they want. That is why some pay for a lease or buy land. Even when a hunters owns land, we still deal with neighbors.

There are +/- to owning land.

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Again, people don't have to invite the worldto their hunting spots to justify supporting gun hunters. That'snot even a rational argument. My comments about bowhunters cooking meth makes more sense.

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Yes you do, Lanse. If you are SINCERELY hoping and wanting everyone around you to enjoy as much success as possible - you should be doing everything possible to help them score. Even if that means opening up your own land to people you've never even met.

You just can't go off saying "I hope everybody does well" in one breath- andthen you turn around andwallpaperyour property with POSTED signs, hording the deer into your private sanctuary forjust yourself and your buddies' enjoyment-without SOME level of hypocrisy.

I'm just saying - lots of you guys are SAYING one thing, but DOING another. That's all.

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So Quik what I'm getting out of this statement is your AGAINST all hunters period????

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No, what it translates into is more car/deer accidents, more crop damage the following year and possibly over population of deer in your area when there is not enough habitat to support them. Then they get sick and you are completely screwed. We need to keep the deer numbers in check because people feel the need to build a new strip mall at the edge of town when there is a vacant one less than a mile away in town!! What a freaking waste!

We all love bowhunting, but lets be honest we don't really kill enough deer during our season to accomplish what the DNR wants. So they have more seasons. And if we still don't kill enough deer the seasons get less restrictive. If you keep wishing gun hunters don't have any success the next thing you know your season will be shorter and theirs will be longer. Because where you pass on deer and let them walk they are taking them out, which is what they are supposed to be doing. The DNR doesn't issue tags out of the goodness of their heart hoping you don't actually kill any cute little deer.

I have never got the whole hunter pitted against hunter thing. I thought we were at war with the deer, not each other?

My take on it anyway.

Paul

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Ican't be the only one that sees this as two completely different things. Wishing your fellow hunters success and having someone hunt in your spot so they can be successful are two different things. Now the "same herd" thing I can understand, I might want my buddies or others hunting near meto be successsful just not on that 10 pointerI have been hunting, I get that, we areall(most) men hereand by nature competitivebutto saywe don't want other huntersto be successful because we don't letany and everybodyhunt our stands isa stretch.

If a person is a hunter I would think he has weapons to hunt with, available land, and game to hunt and I honestly hope he is successhul in that. Now do I hope he is successful to the point that if he is not I will put him on my stand? Is that my job/reponsibility? Honestly, if it is a kid or afriend or a very green hunterthen yes I will go out of my way to help them but to saythatevery huntershould do that for everyone is more than a little past unrealistic.

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Quik,

My land isn't posted. But that is besides the point.I support helping the poor, but that doesn't mean that i am gonna sign my home over to a homeless family or donate my entire paycheck to charity. I support the sport of rugby, but that doesn't mean that i am a hypocrite if i don't allow the local team to turn my vacant lot into a rugby field. Again, your logic is so far off that most folks here quit taking you seriously about 5 posts ago. Great representative for bowhunters.

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Fran you're living in your own little world:eek:
I wish for all people to prosper and live well, as I am sure you do also.

Do you invite strangers to your home who are homeless to help them out? All of them?

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BTW.....Where's JELEN when you need him?;)

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So New61375 - you're saying: "I hope you guys all have a great season...as longyou're not shooting atthe deer that I'm trying to hunt."

Translation: "I hope the whole world has a great season.... All except for this one teensy weensy little area in my little slice of heaven, where I hope everyone gets skunked - except for me and my buddies.My buddiesare allowed to shoot any buck except the big one, which is reserved for me and only me."

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Quicksilver is a champion and winner when it comes to rational debate.

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I've been thinking about it for a long time, but this thread has pushed me over the edge. I'm treating myself to a rifle for Christmas and hunting with it before the end of the season. It'll be the first time I've rifle hunted in 20 years and I'm sure I'll enjoy it. Most especially since I know it'll piss off nearly half the guys here. ;)

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So germ, you can't see the slightest glimmer of hypocrisy in a guy who:
[ol][*]He gets online and says "Oh yeah, I hope EVERYONE has a great season! I support ALL hunters ALL the time, because I'm a big advocate of hunters being successful!"[*]Then he proceeds to kill a big buck in archery season on his posted privateproperty.[*]In themonth to follow, he deniesaccess to 10 random guys who stop toask permissionto hunt his place during gun season.[/ol]
You see a proud landowner who can do what he wants with his own property.

I see a greedy hypocrite who couldn't care less about whether Joe Schmoe gets a deer. He's got his, and that's all that matters.

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Man you took that one out of the park:D
Good luck, and stay off my land;)

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Now, i know why this thread sounds familiar, It reminds me of the argument that i had with my 3 year old about whether turtles sleep.

Sorry Arthur, but you won't be able to gun hunt.The only way to truely prove your support of other gunhunters is togive that rifle to someone to use.

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Don't do it, don't venture to the dark side!!!!! :D

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Why bother? You still won't get anything. It wouldn't matter if you bought a heat seeking missile or a Blackhawk helicopter with whitetail night vision and a deer navigation system.

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That is like trying to rationalize this statement:

I'm not a big football fan, but I don't have a problem with people watching the super bowl in their home, at a bar or heck I have even had people over to my house to watch it. So in your mind it is perfectly ok for someone to break into my house and steal my tv to watch the game? If they break into my house I'm supposed just say hey it's ok buddy, sit down and we'll watch the game together, after all we are both football fans (which really I am not).

Your logic makes absolutely no sense. There is a big difference between not wanting others to hunt your land trespassing or not and wishing bad luck on someone else. If you can't see the line between the two you are hopeless. My girlfriends autistic son is easier to rationalize with.

Paul

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This thread has gone far into depths of the twilight zone, but dang if it doesn't provide some good entertainment value.

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I guess I am not understanding the point? If I don't own the land beyond being courteous to one another how can I control who hunt's where.Another hunter has as much a right to it as I do.
Do I wish a stranger well,Yes I do.Am I going to give themthe key's to the castle not likely.Their discovery of prime area's should come as a result of their own efforts.I don't expect any one to direct me to their prime locations,and if I choose to direct someone to mine it is my choice not my obligation.There is a secretive nature to hunting area's.You lower your guard and bring someone in to one of your good area's and all of a sudden it is their spot.
This may be what Fran is getting at,I don't know.There is a reason that I do most of my hunting alone,I do not want these issues to arise.Success in hunting is much like success in any thing else it is typically earned.
Do I wish everyone success yes,do I hope that I will not be competing in area's I wish to hunt yes,if I am is there any thing I can do about it no.No Ill feelings that's just the way it is.

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Nope, Joe can have what a land owner has, he just has to work for it.

Here you go Fran

Life is not fair, my wife and I both paid for our educations, while others had parents whopaid for it. They did not have to work, they got to have fun. If someone really cared about me having fun. They would have paid for my education, so I could have fun.[&:]

I think in China no one owns anything, have at it. Private ownership is one of many great things about USA.
I am sure you care about starving people, as you eat your T-bone;)with taters on the side.

Socailize anything does not work.

or as my favorite quote

"Socialization will work, just the right people have not been in charge yet", LMAO

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I hope every underpriviledged child in america has a spectacular Christmas filled with love and joy and presents and the typical Christmas festivities.

Does that mean I am a hypocrite if I don't invite them all to my house for a Christmas party where I supply all the presents and love them like they are my own children?



I wish every starvingAIDS orphan in africa had a set of loving healthy parents and 3 full meals everyday with clean water to drink and wash with.

Am I a hypocrite if I don't travel to them or bring them to me so that I can provide all those things?

Hmmmm....I didn't read all the pages, so sorry if I stole this argument from someone who already made it.

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well, you are certainly gonna see a few one-way flights into the twilight zone when some of the folks try to justify their votes in a poll like this.