Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
 

http://www.deerhunters.net/articles/scotts.htm

read this and aggre or disaggre

RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
 

I'd say he was absolutely correct.

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I totally agree, We (as a whole) are our own problem.

I am never, (rarely ever) concerned what an anti hunter thinks of me, you cannot or rarely can change their mind. I TRY to be politically correct to keep the NON Hunters on my side.

Look at all the threads on stolen trail cameras, treestands, feeders, etc...no wonder we are looked down upon by the public at large. We are nothing more than beer swiveling bubba's to them.

and LOL [8D] At the title. ;)

RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
 

These words will fall on so many deaf ears. Stickem ,let the air out ,wackem & stackem as long as you killem there is little or no respect shown to the greatest animal on the earth.
We really need to work on this.

Any deer deservers respect.

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Swilling, even, Rob!:D

Another reason why we take respectable photos......use language that doesn't INCITE......etc...

I agree with Jim (Did I just say that????):D

RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
 

Yea that little article is so true, and sadly so rampant in PA. The more peope I meet who hunt, the less I want to be associated with them.

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At my bowhunting course back in the day they spent a good half hour talking about this subjesct.

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I completely agree. I was very happy to see that the mandatory (if you've never had a hunting license) hunters education requirements course I took herein VA stresses this fact and it various permutations (walking into a 7-11 with blood all over you from field dressing a deer, etc.).

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Article that needs to read... but its like preaching to the choir here.

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Who steals your stands ,your camera's, its not golfers its the guys you show your trail cam pics to. [:'(]

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people show thier trail cam pics on here does that mean that we all take your stands and cameras?

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Jim, he's refering to fellow hunters....and he's right and it's appauling.:eek:

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Our biggest problem is that we let others perpetuate the myth that we (hunters) are swill drinkers. There was a time when we (hunters) were highly respected and had to do nothing but ask to hunt, now with so much disrespect nowadays we have a hard time hunting anywhere. Then when you find a spot, it's being trespassed on. Rybo has a good point, I know soooooooo many slobs that brag about unethical shots and you wouldn't believe the calls I get as a taxidermist! And like GMMAT when you have good properties and have rules in place, forget taking "friends", I have had them go behind my back and try and run me out. And have had some flat out go against what I wanted. I have a pond that is known as a big fish pond and you wouldn't believe how many "friends" want to come fish but if they catch a big fish, they won't follow the rules and release it. Needless to say NO ONE has fished it this year, 4 have tried, 2 the police ran off, 1 I ran off, the other tried at night and was ducking bird shot (emptied of course:D)as he was leaving. Sorry got off topic. My point being that many of us (hunters) don't think about how we come across to the general public. Being a taxidermist and hunter I have run across more than my share of antis and if you are educated, you can at least get most of them to think. Most don't know about the Robertson-Pittman Act or the thousand of ways that we(hunters) have a positive influence on literally thousands of lives, whether it's Hunters Feeding the Hungry or just the money spent in towns that would about dry up without it. Look at GMMAT and his donating meat to a needy family, I donate most of any deer I kill. I do keep the backstraps and inner, I may be generous but not entirely. How many guys know of an older couple that could use the meat? How many have asked? You would be surprised at how far that goes in a community. Oh yea I agree with the article.

RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
 

Well 2 things they said at the couse.

1. Dont every say if its brown its down.

2. Cover your deer up if your transporting it.

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I totaly agree with what the article said. In my bow course here in NY they made it a point on how not to offend the general public. Some hunters do not care what other people see. Last year I saw this person with a deer on the top of his SUV driving thru one of the busiest and most populated areas around.

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Rob you need a dictionary (appauling?)...lol (j.k buddy);).

Rybo....I say the same thing....just a little different. I always say...."The more hunters I meet.....the more I'm disappointed".

ncaxi....Thanks for the kind words. BTW....Can I come fishing?;)

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It was right on the money and perception is everything. We can be our own worst enemies and PETA's best friends.
Look at a shot up road sign and assume every hunter who drives by woulddo rather do itthan condem it.
And yes, It IS fellow "Hunters" who steal my stands and trail cams.
It has only been in the last couple of years that this state has allowed you to cover up a deer while transporting. Good idea although you don't have to so half the guys drive around town for the day showing it off in the back of a pick-up with it's tounge hanging out. Looks bad and so uncool.

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Jeff, it's urban talk. ;) Sorry. :eek:
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RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
 

Sorry....didn;t know your had street cred.

Word.

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Totally agree, I hear fellow"hunters" spouting off stupid statements all the time...............the problem is they really could care less if they offend anyone with thier backward statements.

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It's a good reminder.

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We hunters definitely have an image problem and we can help to improve it. When a hunter presents himselfto the public as an ignorant, profanity speaking, drunkenslob, it gives landowners the impressionthat all hunters are like him. Heck, I'm a hunter and a large number of my friends are too. I've hosted 3 get-togethers for hunters from HNI and made a good number of friends here and yet, I have been given bad impressions of some hunters by other hunters. If we act more like responsible, intelligent and well-meaning adults, it will go a long way to helping us improveour image.

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Blah blah blah..as for the Author I say.. Screw'em and stew'em!

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I agree 100% with him. In Wisconsin we used to have the deer visable untill registration then we could shut the tailgate or trunks or what ever. A few years ago they passed a law stating that a deer no longer has to be visible to the public. I think this is a good thing Wi has done. It not only shows respect for thoes who do not hunt, but also makes us look better as hunters as we are not offending anyone. This is an option. You can leave your deer exposed to the public if you want or keep it hidden away from the public.

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I agree with Rob and this article. It is not the anti's we have to worry about. It is the non-hunters. And like the deer, we need to show them respect. You know, a hundred years or so, hunters were revered. Why? Because they usually brought something valuable to the community. It was a service that was essential to survival in most places. These days, the whole aspect of "Sharing" with the communityrarelyexists. We need to change that! Many states allowmultiple deer per year. I'd say, take advantage of this and do your part to provide food for the community. I am sure many folks will appreciate the effort. I be willing to wager more doors will open as a result. Presently, we are viewed as "takers". We all know this is not completely true. Wouldn't it be nice if hunters were viewed exclusively as "givers"...

My grandfather told me a story about hunting once. I'm not sure if it was during the war (WWII) or during the depression. Anyway, the whole community came together and provided my grandfather with shotgun shells and gas ration stamps.He would take what was offered and head out to hunt jack rabbits (YUCK). He would fill his car trunk completly full...The rabbits were skinned and processed. The meat was ground, packed, and redistributed to those that gave...and then some! It was a community'ssurvival techique for some very hard times,AND MY GRANDFATHER WAS A PILLAR FOR DOING WHAT HE DID.

Provide a service and doors will open, but do it with class and the utmost respect!

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I agree with the article. Its the "wanna be" hunters that cause all the problems. The "wanna bes" are group together with the true hunters/sportsman to the non-hunting public. So when the "wanna bes" screw up hunters in general are looked down upon.

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We only need to worry about our fellow 'hunters' ruining everything. The article is 100% correct. It figgure that we have some of these 'hunters' replying to the thread.

My question is, what do you all do as responsible hunters when you are confronted with such behavior? Ignore it? Call it out? Turn and walk away?

RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
 

Very true statement..........I totally agree with this article also.

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I am rather surprized at what many of you have stated in this thread. GMMAT talked about taking "respectible" pictures yet posts a picture of a doe with her guts hanging out. Somehow "whack 'em and stack 'em" is bad but whenever someone gets one and posts it here, many say things such as "way to put one on the ground" or my least favorite "BBD or BDD". I think that there is a lot of hair splitting here.

I see no problem with an uncovered deer during transport. Should someone let the inside of their SUV get blood stained b/c someone might be offended by seeing a dead deer? What about a pickup truck bed?

BawanaJim was 100% right that every deer needs to be respected, but I don't see how not covering one is disrespectful to the animal. Nor do I see how one cliche is acceptable and another is not. Perhaps many of you should focus on real issues such as poaching and not sweat the small stuff so much.

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If you agree with the article, do you also like some one like Ted Nugent being the face of hunting?

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^^ Now that's a thought-out reply! So many contradictions in this post vs daily HNI board life..I figured I'd be strung up if I began pointing them out. Well said, Huntingson.

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Huntingson.....

If I may explain.....I didn't intend on that photo to be anything other than "informative"......a "testimonial" on the BH, if you will. You won't see me posing in that photo.....won't see my bow, there.....and I would never show that outside a hunting forum.

What I show to the PUBLIC is ENTIRELY different.

I hope this makes sense.....and I honestly hope no one was offended. You will NEVER hear me say anything of the "whack 'em and stack 'em" variety. I've been humbled this year to a huge degree. I agree with most of your post....and I hope I was misunderstood. I respect these animals to a VERY high degree.

Here's the "harvest" photo I had to take for the "archer's choice" contest.......SAME DOE.

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I don't think we need to get into a pissing match with one another when we are all on the same side. GMMAT posted those as graphic and to show a very quick, humane kill of an outstanding broadhead. Call it a public service announcement that might result in less lost animals. That's the way I see it.


There is a fine line.

I hate covering an animal too, makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong or I have something to hide however, covering them also saves them from road dirt etc..not to mention that it might not offend a NON hunter.

I don't think covering or not covering a deer is respectful or not respectful to the animal, I don't think it has anything to do with the animal.

I agree, every deer deserves our respect, not their respect, it's a dead deer, it knows nothing but the respect we give is for us and each other and to further our sport. I also agree that we shouldn't sweat the small stuff but at the same time, not ignore it when we come across it. I also agree there are bigger issues, poaching, theft and more.

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X2 :D

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Huge difference in talk amongst hunters, and those who don’t have a clue. I have a nice “clean” photo of a buck sitting on my desk here at work. You’d never catch me putting an entrance/exit hole photo there, despite taking them of many of my deer.

Some things that happen in the woods should be left in the woods or discussed only with those who understand. Details of such events broadcasted to non-hunters can do nothing but harm. I had a buddy I used to work with who went and told this story that he really shouldn’t have to our co workers. I was at a complete loss when people started coming up to me asking questions. I wanted to crawl under my desk. Eventually I got over to him and told him to zip it, but the damage was done.

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On the covering/not covering issue. When a family member dies and is being transported from the funeral home to the grave site, we as humans don't throw their bodies in the back of a truck bed or across the hood of an SUV for all to see, after all their dead they don't know the difference. Why not? Because we are showing respect and it would be distasteful to people that are not involved with the funeral. Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying that we all need to go out and buy a hearse and casket to transport all are dead deer, we just need to think how other people may feelabout seeing a dead deer. Sorry if this offends anybody, was not trying to in the least, just trying to get a few people to think about some things in a different perspective.

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My personal pet peeve is the jackass that we've all met. The one who brags about "sticking one" and proceeds to tell the story complete with the graphic detailswithin earshot ofnon hunters in stores restaraunts etc.Usually, it seems the jackass is genuinely proud of himself!?!?!?!

I've never been considered to be politically correct and sometimes take some heat for telling like it is but, IMHO, there's no place for the jerk whodoesn't think before relaying these type of stories.

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We are ALL at fault.

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Bob:

I'm a little surprised at you. I CLEARLY stated that the events of THIS season (in post after post) have chnged my view on hunting AND the quarry FOREVER (and that statement you quoted was made PRIOR to said events).

It looks like you're just trying to stir the pot....and I really don't appreciate it.

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I don't want people to think that I am/was upset with GMMAT in any fashion, nor was I in a "pissing contest" with him. It was just the first example that I could think of that people would remember clearly because it was so recent. I see nothing wrong with it. My point was that it seemed some of you did, yet said nothing when it occurred. GMMAT is a very responsible hunter, and a good example of how it should be done. My point was more towards the double talk that seemed like was going on here.

I worry only about the animal. I respect them enough to actually thank them when I come up on them, and killing one affects me emotionally. If someone has a problem with the way I do something with them, then there is nothing more I can do for them and I am not going to worry about them. If a "NON-HUNTER" sees a deer in my truck bed and get offended, then they were not just a "NON-HUNTER" they were an anti-hunter from the get go.

Let's leave the judging to the man upstairs shall we?