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RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
I agree, Huntingson.....and nobody worry about US being in a pissing contest (ain't gonna happen). We are friends, first and foremost.
I think I've made my "intent" clear.....I'm out. |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
agree
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RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
RIGHT ARM!
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RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
The complete lack of respect we show our fellow hunters speaks volumes about how others view us.
My personal experiences with trespassers has made me very cautious about sharing opportunities I have available with any other hunters. My own land is off limits to all but a handful a life long friends and no one else is even considered. I trap nuisance beavers from land where they are flooding timber or crops,many times these land owners ask if I would like to hunt deer or know some one who would shoot some of the deer that eat their crops. I always decline and I never tell any one because I'm afraid of whatsome onemight do or who they might take with them. |
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I cringe when I'm riding to work in the morning and I end up behind this one guy with a "If it's brown it's down" sticker on the back of his truck. I just don't get it.
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RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
Unfortunately, most of the time we are our own worst enemy. Ranging from idiots like the one in that article to the pi$$ing and moaning and bashing we do to each other. We're all supposed to be on the same team. Like it or not we are not the same society we were 50 years ago where hunting was accepted widely as a way of life and a tradition to be honored and respected. We have to represent ourselves to a differnt mindset of pepole these days. We have the liberal bunny hugger types that want to shed us in as bad light as possible and unfortunately people like the one in the article just reinforce that model.
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RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
Well Jeff here's the deal..And make it personal if you wish..but it's not! I read and reread your statement..It did not say I will never make a Whackem an stackem statementagainbased on this years events..It read, that you never have made these statements.
Don't get me wrong I knew there would be a price to pay for posting that..Heck I probably got another ass chewing coming.. Probably one thats aready posted as I type this. I retypedthat reply5 times trying not to offend. While making a point! I just get tired of everyone ringing their own horn when the time is right! Hell we have a memory..We even have search engines that sometimes work. Down with this... Down with that..antis are killing us....we are killing ourselves...blah blah blah Maybe the people making these statements haven't had thier "tough year" yet..maybe they too will see the light! Who knows maybe someday I will...anythings possible! |
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ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d ORIGINAL: GMMAT You will NEVER hear me say anything of the "whack 'em and stack 'em" variety. Doesn't seem possible......but the nanny 'nialation will begin after 9 more sleeps.;) Talking amoungs Hunters is one thing, LOL Example Dad as me how fast she went down I said "She got rubber legged real fast", I was ask the same question at work I said "Thankfully the doe went down quickly and expired" I think very easy thing to realize, not everyone is a hunter, not every understands are lingo. I do not think GMMAT or anyone elsedisrepects animal we purse. Nor do I find his comment offensive. Plain and simple it is common sense and the ability to read others and respect their views;) |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
Germ..I don't find it offensive nor do I find posting the pics offensive...I find the fact that now some yahoo wrote an article that we are our own worst enemy..and everyone is so quick to jump on board! Thats what is offending me at the moment!
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I agree with most of what has been said and with the article originally posted. We as sportsmen need to be ever vigilant in our action to portray ourselves in a good light to everyone. We all are ambassadors of our sport and need to constantly work to allow it to continue. Playing into the hands of Antis only diminishes our credibility and gives them power. Using common sense in transporting your deer helps to keep a low profile and not cause undue stress to people who oppose our way of life. One bad move by any of us and a piece of land gets posted which is an action that is extremely hard to change. Being good stewards of the land and giving thanks to the people who allow us to hunt their lands is important. Unfortunately lots of land becomes unavailable due to disputes and theft between hunters. Many landowners don't really want to be a referee and stop all permission just to make it easy for them.
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RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
I CLEARLY stated that the events of THIS season (in post after post) have chnged my view on hunting AND the quarry FOREVER (and that statement you quoted was made PRIOR to said events). |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
ORIGINAL: GMMAT I think I've made my "intent" clear.....I'm out. Ok breathe ..in out in out.. whew ok Now I bet the above quote isn't true either ;) |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d Germ..I don't find it offensive nor do I find posting the pics offensive...I find the fact that now some yahoo wrote an article that we are our own worst enemy..and everyone is so quick to jump on board! Thats what is offending me at the moment! A little tact out in public amongst the masses goes a long way. |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
While I would agree that slobs like the one in the story certainly cause us some image problems, I disagree that that we are solely responsible for creating antis. A would be anti is recruited by established antis in most cases. Their minds are made up for them via indoctrination, dogma, and in many cases outright lies. You can't reason with a fanatic. Next time just look them in the eye and ask "Really? And just how many animals died so that you could enjoy your last tofu burger?" Ninety-eight percent of them are so disconnected from how food is really produced that they don't even know what a "crop damage permit" is or how it works. The few who can answer the question will invariably try to change the subject since they can't defend their position anymore. Bottom line, they're complicit whether they'll admit it or not, so remind them of their complicity in a polite but firm fashion. They'll lose all credibility, and in most cases will simply walk away.
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RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
If you don't think we are our own worst enemies just read through this thread let alone some of the other threads. He have members calling each other out by name and tearing each other down.
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RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d Germ..I don't find it offensive nor do I find posting the pics offensive...I find the fact that now some yahoo wrote an article that we are our own worst enemy..and everyone is so quick to jump on board! Thats what is offending me at the moment! We find people who act less than mature in all aspects, it really should not be news, LOL How many yahoos do you see on the golf course? Driving? Teachers? lawyer(all of them), J/K Do we have some bad apples, yes, but we are no differnet than any other group. IE My favorite Buckeye Clarett:D |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
Whocould beour worst enemy.....whocould theoreticallystop hunting as we know it, if put to a vote? It is not antis...they are a distinct minority...it is the general nonhunting population. Like it or not, we have to care about what 'they' think of us.
While most would disagree with me, i consider it a bigger deal, in the bigger picture, than someone who gets caught poaching. Poaching is illegal, simple as that....I know quite a few nonnunters and they can all distinguish between 'poacher' and 'hunter' but can they distinguish between the yahoo who is bragging it up about the big one he just stuck and a hunter who does thier best to show respect for the animal? As has been more elequently stated earlier, there is talk among hunters(example, the massive damage on GMMATs doe), then there is how one phrases things to everyone else... Most of us ARE probably too quick to point fingers (I have regreted words relating to this on more than one occation)....but is that not better than no finger pointing at all? Joe |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
ORIGINAL: Germ How many yahoos do you see on the golf course? Driving? Teachers? lawyer(all of them), J/K Do we have some bad apples, yes, but we are no differnet than any other group. IE My favorite Buckeye Clarett:D Yes idiots are part of life..they do not become a force until they have followers. Have I been denied access to lands because of the slob hunters who were there before me ..absolutley. Am I ready to condemn all hunters because of them..of course not. |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
There are yahoos all over the place but no one is trying to stop golf or teaching so WE do have to be vigilent. When someone does something irresponsible we have an obligation to tell them rather than laugh along with the joke.
These forum topics are for hunters however so we should tell it like it is. Pictures and all.. |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
Regardless of how far a track job or what kind of shot was made, does(should) the story to a non-hunter always end with a quick clean kill?
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RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d ORIGINAL: Germ How many yahoos do you see on the golf course? Driving? Teachers? lawyer(all of them), J/K Do we have some bad apples, yes, but we are no differnet than any other group. IE My favorite Buckeye Clarett:D Yes idiots are part of life..they do not become a force until they have followers. Have I been denied access to lands because of the slob hunters who were there before me ..absolutley. Am I ready to condemn all hunters because of them..of course not. |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
Could it be that the reason hunting is no longer viewed as a worthwhile tradition as often as it was in previous generations due to the fact that WE are so willing to change OUR ways to try to make everyone happy?
Perhaps we are our own worst enemy, but not in the way everyone is saying. Germ iscorrect. There are ALWAYS going to be that "10%" in every walk of life. If we as the 90% do not let the truth be known, then how would anyone ever know that they are just the vocal minority? Don't be afraid to talk hunting. How else can others learn? |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
Yep, we hunters have an image problem (perception by nonhunters) and the bubba "wack 'em and stack 'em" attitude doesn't help the cause.
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RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
ORIGINAL: rybohunter Regardless of how far a track job or what kind of shot was made, does(should) the story to a non-hunter always end with a quick clean kill? What has always shocked me is how so many think it is less humane to use a bow than a gun. I love getting to be the one to teach someone why the opposite is often true. Edit: I think if any non-hunter read Matt/PA's post about finding his deer, they could not help but realize how important the animal and sport is to a true hunter. Especially the part about apologixing to the animal. That truly touched me as I have also had to do that, and it is always a relief to know that other hunters are as touched by taking a game animal as I am. |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
ORIGINAL: rybohunter Regardless of how far a track job or what kind of shot was made, does(should) the story to a non-hunter always end with a quick clean kill? Stories are not always rosy, but if respect for the animal is always stressed...then we have accomplished something. |
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GR8.....Here's some things (just a FEW) I've said this year.....after the season had started. I think it's really clear where I stand.
“GR8: I have NO qualms with your assessment. I deserve it. "Humbled" is not even the word for it. "Humiliated" comes to mind.....but it's at THEIR expense. I'd rather it be mine.” ------------------------------- “I approached this season with a sense of bravado that I now regret. The events of this past week have humbled me beyond what I could imagine. That is what was eluded to. If I ever look at a deer as anything other than a precious, precious opportunity.....I hope someone sets me straight.“ ------------------------------------------ “At 42yrs old....I've had this get to me like I didn't think possible (my last week+). Ihonestly was an emotional wreck last night and this morning. Why does this affect us, so????? If it ever stops.....well....I hope it never does. We need to be cognizant of the consequences and the POSSIBLE outcomes when we loose our arrows. I want to thank all of you for NOT jumping down my throat....which would have been easy to do. I will NEVER, EVER take anything in this thing we do for granted, again. I'm a grown man....and I grew up a little more in the last 11 days. Again.....I cant express how much you guys have helped me in the past.....but ESPECIALLY in these past days. Thank you....” ----------------------------------------------- And in the thread with the rage results photo I posted….. “No fanfare....post was to tell of the shot....and to show the results of the head.” |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
I am quite sure no one is advocating not talking about our activities....we need to spread the word, recruit more to this wonderful tradition! But, there are ways of portraying it....a slob hunter is kinda like porn, we all know it when we see it right?
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RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
First of all.....I don't believe (for one second) the story written. It's just another outdoor writer trying to get another oneof hisarticles in print. I've heard that story (varying degrees of it) many many times.
It was written (and I suspect originally told) simply to stir the pot and if anything, further divide us as hunters. There will ALWAYS be slob hunters and ignorant people who don't know better and will shoot off their mouths like the fellow in the story....that's why it's so believable in the first place. As mentioned you will find this type of behavior in all forms of sport, and it's just as disgusting no matter where it's applied. We as hunters are not "shooting ourselves in the foot" at leastno more or lessthan any other past time, hobbyist or sportsman. |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
ORIGINAL: JoeRE ....a slob hunter is kinda like porn, we all know it when we see it right? |
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ORIGINAL: huntingson ORIGINAL: JoeRE ....a slob hunter is kinda like porn, we all know it when we see it right? |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
I agree with the article in some way but in some of the responses on here it pisses me off. I do not know how some of you call yourself hunters and worry so much about what the antis are worried about. The Tree huggin hippies can kiss my ass if they don't like the big buck on my trailer bhind the wheeler then don't look at it. If they don't like they way I talk then don't listen to me. You guys are talkin about respecting them why should we do that when they don't respect us. It does not matter if you cover your deer or give it a funeral or whatever they are still going to put you down and call you a redneck because you took a animals life even while you took 1 deers life you bettered the health and well being of the whole herd with the food plots you planted or whatever. It well never be any better you can not explain a thing to this one track minded people no matter how hard you try. Some of you are worried about them seeing a dead deer in the back of a truck. When all they have to do is turn on the Outdoor channel and see killen almost all day long. All I can say is do what you want and pi$$ on the antis. If I worried about pleasing everyone that say me I would be one unhappy person. I will continue to carry me deer on my trailer so everyone can see. I will continue to say big buck down and look at that Freak nasty and anything else that makes the big wussies mad. I hate the antis and peta more than I hate misqutos and ticks they are the scum of the earth and will never amount to nothing but piles of $h!t to me. I will never worry about pleasing them they are more worried about the killin of wildlife than they are the killin of American Soldiers in Iraq. They would rather complain about us killin a Deer than they would about kids watchin all they violence and killen on TV these days. They have there priorities so screwed up. I wish they would come to my small town and try to raise some of these issues they would be burned on the court square. And if there are any here they would never come out and admit it. And personally I don't give a damned what anyone thinks of me or my huntin,drinkin, coon huntin redneck buddies.......[:@]
Edit: DO NOT use $ for s' to skirt the profanity filter. If it's allow, it's allowed but don't skirt. Next time I'll delete the whole post. Notice your words were not edited out. Thank you. |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: huntingson ORIGINAL: JoeRE ....a slob hunter is kinda like porn, we all know it when we see it right? My self I have found porn to be far less aggravating or disturbing you might even say unobjectionable. ;) |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
Jeff..None of this was about "you" as an individual, a hunter, a man...I didn't originally site you as the example, someone else did..(and even that was not personal)..I took what was given and made a point. You were quick to jump on board with the author of the article and say how right he was. I disagree with article..and used the posted feedback to make my point.
No one here, that I know of, questions your morals or principles or respect for the animal. I know, and, you know,(because I've told you publically and privately) that I think you're ethics are upstanding andinline with my own. I know the consequence of using you as an example...and I have a PM box full of others that know that consequence...You'll take it to heart, and make it personal..when it was never meant that way. |
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ORIGINAL: TN Deer Hunter I agree with the article in some way but in some of the responses on here it pi$$es me off. I do not know how some of you call yourself hunters and worry so much about what the antis are worried about. The Tree huggin hippies can kiss my a$$ if they don't like the big buck on my trailer behind the wheeler then don't look at it. If they don't like they way I talk then don't listen to me. You guys are talking about respecting them why should we do that when they don't respect us. It does not matter if you cover your deer or give it a funeral or whatever they are still going to put you down and call you a redneck because you took a animals life even while you took 1 deers life you bettered the health and well being of the whole herd with the food plots you planted or whatever. It well never be any better you can not explain a thing to this one track minded people no matter how hard you try. Some of you are worried about them seeing a dead deer in the back of a truck. When all they have to do is turn on the Outdoor channel and see Kellen almost all day long. All I can say is do what you want and pi$$ on the antis. If I worried about pleasing everyone that say me I would be one unhappy person. I will continue to carry me deer on my trailer so everyone can see. I will continue to say big buck down and look at that Freak nasty and anything else that makes the big wussies mad. I hate the antis and Peta more than I hate misquotes and ticks they are the scum of the earth and will never amount to nothing but piles of $h!t to me. I will never worry about pleasing them they are more worried about the Killian of wildlife than they are the Killian of American Soldiers in Iraq. They would rather complain about us Killian a Deer than they would about kids watching all they violence and Kellen on TV these days. They have there priorities so screwed up. I wish they would come to my small town and try to raise some of these issues they would be burned on the court square. And if there are any here they would never come out and admit it. And personally I don't give a damned what anyone thinks of me or my hunting,drinking, coon hunting redneck buddies.......[:@]  |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
If it wasn't personal....I wouldn't have been singled out (personally).That's the definition. Especially when some of the comments above were made to you....and you knew about them before choosing to post the one comment I made prior to the season.
Ihave no hard feelings.....just setting the record straight. The author of the article is saying, in general, that we're our own worst enemies, at times. Heck.....I agree with that. Do I question his sincerity? Sure.....but not his message. |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
Around where I hunt antis are almost non-existent (or scared:D), so I've never had to worry or really
think about these things. I love when you pull up to the local restaurant on opening day and people are crowded around the beds of trucks. Guess what, I go check it out. It's part of my hunting heritage. That same store/restaurant posts pictures (some going back 30 years or so) of people's kills (deer, ducks, squirrels) and catches (big bass) on a big board. When we act like hunting is taboo, I think people pick up on that and it does more harm than good. Now, if I'm at some stupid cocktail party for my job will I relay to people I don't even know bloody details of a hunt - no. It's just common sense. But we shouldn't try to pretend that we don't "kill" animals. |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
We’re killers, and so are the anti’s, they’re just not capable of thinking through this subject, or probably any other in a logical or methodical manner. Sure they will sway a portion of the weaker side of the public into believing what they say. That’s the way that it works. Sorry but it happens here, to us, the hunters as well. I think many of you and them should go take a class in logic or formal debate before being able to represent hunters, or any other cause that you feel strongly about, because that is what we’re doing, here, on line.
You start using words like harvest and you’re giving in to politics. Do lions harvest gazelle? Or do they kill them and eat them? Don’t sugar coat anything or no one will believe what you say; since you’re now a politician. I hunt deer because I enjoy killing them and eating them; it is a celebration of my existence. I am the offspring of the worthy hunters, and I belong to the only extant hominids because of it! I am proud of those before me, and I’m certainly thankful. I will not disrespect them by giving into the weak end of the gene pool, and I won’t down play the extent of their achievements by engaging in an overly simplified game of political correctness. To use the word harvest is to hide the word kill. And when you have to hide what you’re doing, you’re doing something wrong. When you’re doing something wrong, you won’t do it for long. Man-up, go kill something. Just make sure you eat it and it will all be fine. KP Disclaimer - I agree with the article, just not some of you deep-enders... (if that's a word) |
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KP,
Your screen name fits your post perfectly. |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
When I get back to work after a weekend hunt and some of the non-hunters in the office ask me if I "caught" anything I just smile and say yes(or no). I am not concerned with their opinions but at the same time I don't go out of my way to talk about my hunting with most because so many of them are clueless.
I like the post above KP, for the record I use the word kill. |
RE: Shoot ourself in our own feet. No offense rob.
covering your deer is not to not offend antis it is no not make a non hunter to an anti.
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