yea i guess so. shoot something you cant brag about. I think Im gonna buy a pet deer and when it gets really big let it loose and shoot it then have it scored. what a joke!!

I'm disappointed at the posted response from his forum, but I'm not really surprised. I use to participate in Keith's forum, but lost interest in it because of the reaction to any criticism of Keith, and the stifling of discussion by a few "owners" of the forum. I don't have anything against him, but I think his "fan" base is pretty limited to Texas, where he is based.

His twin brother, Alan, has a similar show, in that I don't believe I have ever seen him hunt on public land. In Texas, unfortunately, most hunting is on expensive leased land because of the lack of public hunting, other than draw hunts. That's why I usually hunt in another state, even though I live in Texas.

I would agree with one thing in the response.....if you don't like it, change the channel. This program hasn't been a national program very long, and maybe it needs to go back to being a more regional program.

I bet Roger is lying in this response as well although that's speculation because I highly doubt Keith would pass up a shot at a monster buck in a pen....he did it here in PA as PA Hardwoods pointed out. It was obvious when he hunted PA that it was a pen because almost everything he did in the show was illegal for PA fair chase. He hunted over bait (illegal), he hunted with a rifle in Oct (illegal for buck), he hunted fully camo'd with no orange(illegal) and he didn't wear a license.[&:] And he bragged that people said there are no big bucks in PA....HOW SAD!

Yup, turn the channel. We should all let the sponsors know that when his show comes on, we'll turn the channel and their advetisment dollars are wasted because we're turning the channel.....that's intelligent Rodger.[:'(]

And I admire our armed services but the father could have got more bang for his buck ($) by buying a beef steer and have his son shoot it, same difference and better eating....mmMmm Porterhouse Tbone.

I am an outfitter andI take offense to these comments.

BTW this is my first year in business as an outfitter and let me tell you why I did it.

For 3 years I was on the road working disaster relief for huricanesand stroms. We were rebuiliding what nature took away.

For those 3 years if there were no outfitters I couldn't have hunted at all. I did have time to scout, find land (even public) or devote to hunting at all. I barely sqeezed away to hunt for 3 days at an outfitters lodge each year.
Each of those 3 days to me were priceless refuges of stress relief I desperately needed. Even though I didn't shoot a buck on any of those hunts (a buddy did though) I felt like I was being taken care of. They did all the work that I didn't have the time to do and I got to show up and hunt. Otherwise I would have missed 3 years of hunting.

So while at the last one I went to I decided I wanted one of these stress busting retreats and I built this... www.robertsretreatlodge.com

Now I run hunts....we want everyone to have a good time and if possible everyone kill a buck, but we know that everyone is not going to. We have free ranging low fence land for people to hunt that can't or don't have the time to set up thier own trips but still want to hunt.

So before you paint all outfitters with the same brush.... we all don't have 200 acres of penned in deer for you to harvest and so much $ per inch. Some of us provide a needed service to people that wouldn't get to hunt without a place like mine.

Thanks,

SignOfTheTines


Thank you for your post.

It's someone private property, what they do with it is their business. Funny how some here get all bent out of shape when some suggest AR or OBR and cry foul. "Stop telling me what to shoot"

Those same few love to tell landowners how to run their business and what to do with their land.

BTW I caught the PA episode of KW show, it was funny, LOL I have never watch it since[:-]

Shows I like

Lone Wolfs Whitetail Addicts
North America Whitetail show
Wildlife Obsessions

Those are the three I like to watch

I agree with Germ, SignOfTheTines (catchy name) and as a former outfitter, I don't agree with the "outfitters ruining hunting message"....

You have a great site, great lodge (I'm a log home/lodge owner myself) but one thing puzzles me and I shoud start another thread but not sure you'll see it.

I checked out your pricing and although reasonable, I don't agree with the "kill fee"....that degrages the hunting experience and penalizes someone for taking a deer of their choice. You double the kill price for a 150 plus animal. If a guys sits on your lease, has a 180 walk by first thing but can't afford the xtra $, that's sad.

It doesn't cost more to grow them (free range deer) so why charge more?

I had a nice friggin longreply and then got timed out...an error I've gotten repeatedly for 2 days! I've emptied old cookies and every other tip..

ERRRRRRRR!

I get it too, GR8.

Try using the post reply in lieu of the fast reply. That seems to work for me.

I would feel bad for the guy who shot a 150 1/8th.[8D] 1/8th cost you 250 bucks[:@]

Nice site and good luck

The $500.00 kill fee was supposed to be removed already... We removed it before we printed our brochures...but somehow it got left on the webpage...

Should be removed today!

Thanks for bringing up a good point... I want people to shoot BIG deer...I dont want to discourage it...

Thanks for bringing up a good point.