Maybe I could benefit from some mental help… I don’t think so, but maybe. Maybe it would help me be more like you. I’m not trying to insult you either, but lets think about this for a moment;
- We all spend a bunch of hard earned money to hunt. Most times we spend more on hunting than the meat that we’re gaining would cost at the store. Why?
- We spend countless hours planning our kills (oh sorry, hunts), and shooting and tuning our equipment to make sure it is efficient at hunting? No, killing. Why?
- There is a freezer full of beef, pork, chicken and turkey in the frig, yet it is 20 degrees outside and still dark in the a.m. and we’re up in a tree, waiting to hunt? No, kill.
- We write posts about not being able to sleep at night before we hunt. Why is that? Is it because we can’t wait to be sitting in a tree? No, it isn’t.

I open my eyes and I see. I try to see clearly, even if I don’t like what I see. You on the other hand seem to open your eyes and pretend to be some noble hunter from back in the day, partaking in these ugly displays of aggression out of some gallant effort to provide a better life for some poor hungry children.

We primates like to kill. You, me and everyone else here on this site are the offspring of the successful killers. The unsuccessful killers and their would-have-been offspring are gone. They died a long time ago.

So just because you can sit at a computer and realize that you’re really there doesn’t mean that you are accepting your existence. In fact, it is my opinion that you don’t make much of an effort to realize or think about your existence or how you got to be sitting in front of that computer, typing about hunting.

Maybe you should also think about things before trying to sound “whitty or mature”. And notto be a jerk, but… Next time you try to use sarcasm and reference any word that has anything to do with intellect or so on, try to spell it correctly. I think you meant “witty”. And some study on logic is in order for you if you want to do any type of debate on-line in a forum like this. So far your writing is full of logical fallacies. Look them up before you respond please.

And just so you know, I would never torture an animal. But I have killed a few. Some real easy, some were really hard. None were pretty.

And to all others whom I don’t have time to respond to, if you don’t like what I write, skip over my comments. It won’t hurt my feelings at all.

Hey Killer....

I won't skip over your posts.....as I thoroughly enjoy them. My ONLY comment on this thread is.......

HOW can we think "we" can determine what hunting means to someone else? It's 100% personal....and what it means to you might not remotely represent what it means to me (in ANY aspect). I accept that the "kill" is "a" if not "the" integral culmination or goal of many people's hunting experiences. It shoudn't be that hard to fathom that it doesn't play that huge a role in mine.

I'm for every person getting what they want out of it. NO wrong answers if you're hunting legally and ethically. It's YOUR experience. My feelings toward it are misplaced (if they're projected into your scenario).

No side.....just my observation.

[/align]I read through this thread in the hope that I might see a link to a video of a painless kill. Did I miss something? Was there a link? I had my first deer jump at the sound of the shot and walk off. He crashedabout 30 yards away. That was the closest I have gotten to a painless kill. I hace had better shots on deer but Ishotmechanicals and they make for a hard thump on impact. I don't think there is much chance of that happening with a mech head. I could be wrong, so don't get mad at me. I just have never seen it happen.

KP, I get where you are coming from.

As a rule, I don't really give a rats patootie about how much pain a deer feels when I take him. I hunt for one purpose, to kill a/some deer. I hunt for food, I hunt for trophy, and I hunt for the fun and adventure of being in the woods. I'm not the John Denver sensitive, smiling, singing, love, joy, huggymuffin type. I'm more the John Denver, sniper-cum-nature lover type.

The ONLY reason I always take ethical shots, is so I don't have to traipse around all over the woods looking for a deer. I like to track them, but that only goes so far. I HATE to lose one. I can honestly say that the sound of a deer bleating in pain doesn't bother me one darn bit.

As far as ANTI's using this for ammunition, so what? They'll make a mountain out of any molehill, they don't even need truth to do it. I won't whitewash my feelings or statements just to appease some antis.

Anyone calling for you to get treatment, my be a little too thenthitive for me to worry about.

I have had a couple personal experiences.
A forky Buck following a Doe in Northern Ws. came by my stand. She stopped & I put an arrow through him at 20 yards. He stood there pawing the ground by her, stood a min. & dropped over dead. I ran her off when I walked up to him. Another time my brother & I spotted two Does as we drove through the lane to our tree stands in Ill.. I got out of the truck & snuck back 100 yards to where they were feeding at 20 yards. I shot & the arrow went OVER the Biggest Does Back & the arrow went into a corn field without making any noise.They kept feeding,I got another arrow ready & put it through BOTH lungs of the larger Doe-"SHE NEVER LIFTED HER HEAD" walked 5 or so yards & fell dead apparently never knowing she was shot-the other Doe stood by her until I stood up & then she ran.
This has also happened to two close friends of mine-they said there was no reaction from the Deer that they knew they had been shot. This was the Buck.