G5 Montecs... Wow.
 

As a lot of you guys know, I'm pushing the current technological limits this season - hunting with a nonconventional setup... So far, sogood with the field tips.

Yesterday, however,was a day that I'd been dreading - "Broadhead day."

Some of the resident"experts"have voiced "concerns" about me being able to get a broadhead to fly and/or penetrateat such high speeds (350-370 fps) on such a light arrow (285 grains including broadhead), so I was a little nervous to see what was going to transpire when I finally mounted the blades and turned it loose.

So, I had my mind made up, and went outyesterday to pick up the 75gr. Muzzy's and set up for hunting season. Unfortunately, Gander Mountain was sold out of them, so I opted for the 85gr. G5 Montec's instead. I'd heard some good things - they looked solid... I'll try them.

First impression - they looked sturdy - sharper than all getout. Should penetrate like a hot knife in butter...

The first shot at 20 yardsburied almost to up to the fletchings in my block, dead in the bullseye. Flew like a dart - hit the same spot as a field tip. Dead nuts consistently- even out to 45 yds - no tailwhip or porpoising. Apparently, I was concerned over nothing... I love being right. LOL

All I know is that these stupid block targetsjust aren't built to handle the kind of KE that these new bows are putting out. Brand new block, with broadheads practically blowing right through it.



HCA Iron Mace, 29" 70#, Carbon Revolution 5.5 super stiff shaft, 285 grain arrow, G5 Montec 85 grain.

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If you shot the big boy version of 125 grain; I have 1/2 dozen I would send you;)

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125 grain is for wimps.

J/k bud - thanks for the offer though.

Hopefully I'll only need one. I don't know if it's the bow or arrow configuration orwhat, but these heads definitely shoot more consistently than my old Muzzy heads did.

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Interested to know what your KE is?

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77# KE with 285 gr. arrow @ 350 fps.

A couple of the guys who I hunt with - they're in the 90# KE range. I can't figure out what they use as a broadhead target. LOL

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i thought about trying the g5 but i like muzzy too much

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If they were sharp out of the package that's definitely a change for them. The ones I bought last year were duller than a butter knife. I had to buy their stupid $30 sharpening stone to sharpen $70 worth of broadheads.[:@]

Sold the Montecs, switched to Slick Tricks and have never looked back. Shouldn't have to sharpen a $10 broadhead straight out of the package IMO.

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Thats why I'm shooting G5 Strikers, this year.

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I used the G5's for several years but got tired of sharpening them. I switched to the g5 srtikers and really like the sharpness. I'll check out the G5 montecs again and see if they got the sharpening issue solved like you stated.

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I love the Montecs but the sharpness seems to change from pack to pack

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Montecs also sell practice broadheads, so you don't have to dull your hunting tips. I took a buck last year and I got fantastic peneration.
I went to sharpen the blade I used last year , but noticed that the tip was blunted slightly compared to the ones that didn't get shot. Not sure if it can be sharpened. But overall They were great

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GERM,
I shoot 125 grain Montecs.:D:D

Personally, I don't see what all the fuss is about when it comes to "scary" sharp broadheads out of the package. I understand that they need to be razor sharp to hunt with, but the Montecs are so easy to sharpen that it doesn't matter to me. Even if they consistently came super sharp, you'd still end up having to sharpen them eventually.
I also bought their "pricey" sharpening steel, but to me, it's well worth it, and so are the Montecs. There rugged, one piece, easy to sharpen (I can practice with my hunting BHs and then touch them up), and above and beyond all of that, they're dead on accurate, as Quicksilver said.

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my 85gr montecs were DULL!!! and the practice head sings a song during flight.

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Gotta love those Montecs:D

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Awesome Fran!!!! I was just wondering earlier today if you had shot BH's with the mace yet. It's great to hear that they flew like darts. I guess that just goes to show you, If you have well tuned equipment you can shoot broadheads at about any speed. I'm glad you didn't let the naysayers get to you and to beat it all you proved them all wrong.:D

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I have to agree with this.

I've shot thunderhead 125 for years, and last year shot 4 blade muzzies. Both were exeptional broadheads in my eyes, and both have flown well.I've killed many bucks with them. This year I switched to 125grMontecs(hype:eek:), and I'm ready to switch back to the muzzies before the season starts. The Montecs are dull beyond belief, they almost seem likeplastic or somthing(I had to take a closer look to make sure they weren't the practice heads.........not impressed by any means. I can't say they didn't fly well though...........the hell with them anyway. If you touch a 4 blade muzzy the wrong way your gonna get cut in a heartbeat........you won't get that with the Montec.

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Yep. What he said. I shoot 100 grain Montechs. I cound "retune" my bow to shootother fixed blade broadheadsto get them flying like field points off my bow, or I can shoot the Montecs that already fly like field points without any "tuning". It ain't like they're hard to sharpen.

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I shot them and they worked well,but the rage 2 blade got me hooked i will not change. They are awsome

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I'm not much of a "sharp broadhead" guy, so I'm a bad person to ask about the condition of the blades. I mean, they felt pretty sharp - sliced right down through the foam in my quiver - even AFTER 20-30 shots into the block.

Hell, I killed a doe by accident one time with a muzzy practice head. I mean, Ishot her on purpose, but used the wrong arrow - by accident. [:-]

I'm always well into the 70-80# KE range, so I'm more or less just looking for a head that won't dissintigrate or plane all over the place. It could be duller than a butter knife, and will do the job just fine.

Accuracy
Durability
Sharpness

That's how I prioritize my broadhead analysis. Our deer around here aren't particularly huge, and I think I'm putting out enough KE to hunt Buffalo. Obviously, the farther you slide the KE number down, the more emphasis it places on having a razor sharp head. Durability isn't as much of a factor for a guy shooting 50# of KE.

I really liked the muzzy heads, but they just didn't shoot as consistently for me - and I kept breaking the blasted things. Right where the trocar tip threads onto the aluminum ferrule - it would snap off at the threads. That, and I'd always seem to bend up the blades, or dull them down after one shot.

If anyone wants to trade - I have about a dozen muzzy 100 3-bladers - most all of them need the blades replaced. I'd gladly swap them for some Montec 85's.

Chris - Man, I was happy when I centered the pin on the bullseye and buried it right in there. I've had no less than 30 people tell me that I'll never get a broadhead to fly on that arrow. Wrong. LOL You know I ate that up. :D

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Im trying out the G5 montechs this year afterseeing the results that my friend had with the heads and he shoots the exact same set up as i do.

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Fran;

I'm shooting Montecs off my Mace as well. Of course I took a different path than you on speed and arrow specs.

I'm shooting a Axis FMJ 400, with a 100gr Montec. Total weight of 454gr. Speed is 282fps at 64#s.

With broadheads, I am the opposite however. I am a big stickler on having my heads SUPER sharp. Which is a part of the reason, of course, that I shoot Montecs, because they are easy to sharpen.

As to what everyone is saying about Montecs not being sharp right out of the package. I tend to agree. Admittingly, most if not all broadheads I have ever looked over are not sharp enough for my likeing right out of the box. The montecs aren't even close. But there again, I'm used to sharpening broadheads, and I automatically expect to whenever I buy some. Sort of like buying a "ready to shoot" bow package.... you cannot really expect the thing to be 100% ready to go.

Sharpening up a broadhead, or touching one up.... whatever.... not a big deal to me. If it shoots well off your bow, is tough, and you can get it sharp.... done deal.

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My KE is higher than that, too....and my BH targt won't make it through another season. $50 for1+ seasons......and I can't shoot through the sides of it any more.

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Well quick,

I don't know about Montecs, but thanks to your PSA earlier I lot of people will be checking out
the Strikers in a couple weeks. :D:D

Little Chief, I just sprung for one of those G5 sharpeners. I had a real tough time shelling out
the bucks on that, but it is a well made product and sharpened a knife quickly and easily.

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Guys, I just bought and tried out a pack of 100 gr. montecs. So far I am impressed. At 300 FPS out to 30 yards they flew like darts. I haven't had a chance to shoot them at longer distances. One thing I did notice however, they made slight hissing sound at 30 yards.

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I shot Montecs last year and I fell in love with them. I completly busted the shoulder blade on my way to an ALMOST complete pass through on my 9 pointer.(there was about 3 inches left in the deer as it took off).

They fly true with my broadheads and I can consitently hit the spot at 40 yards which is plenty good enough for me.Never hunted with a broadhead with this much penetration.

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Agreed. I have found the Montects to fly true, but then again most broadheads do, so that is not an issue for me. Quick/humane kills come are caused by massive hemorrhaging, so you owe it to the animal to use as sharp a broadhead as you can.I currently shootSilver Flames (unmatched for sharpness), but there are many other brands that are razor sharp out of the package that are more affordable...just no excuse for a manufacturer to put them on the shelves if they are not ready to be hunted.

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Thats the reason I dont shoot them. Couldnt get the damn things to be quiet.

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BTW: wasn't trying to slam the Montecs...I love the solid design. I'd probably have them on the top of my list (well, maybe 2nd after the Flames) if it wasn't for the sharpness issue. Facts are facts...hemorraghing is caused from massive discharge of blood from blood vessels. The more that can be cut, and cut cleanly, the more blood loss. Clean cuts bleed rapidly...jagged, punched cuts clot quickly.

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I understand what you're saying, and agree with you 100%, but I still don't understand the problem if I can make them sharp, and it's easy to do. As I said before, I can practice with the actual broadheads I'm going to hunt with and touch them back up. Sure, there may be a little more work at the front end if you get some that aren't super sharp, but I'll never have to buy replacement blades. As to everyone saying they "whistle", I sure haven't heard it. The only sound I hear is when they hit the target. I wonder why some hear a noise and some dont?

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I agree with Red Bore. The broahead needs to cut every thing it comes in contact with. A deer can live with a hole in it. Its all the damage inbetween the holes that kills him. Sounds like the montecs are the same old dull blade, I will stick to their G5 strikers. Guys, make sure them blades are as sharp as the ones you shave your face with.

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You've got to be kidding right? Broadhead sharpness and KE have NOTHING to do with each other. I don't care how much KE you're shooting you need to be shooting the sharpest broadhead you can. Dull broadheads don't cut, they plow and they'll plow elastic veins and arteries right out of their way without cutting them. You need a sharp head to make a quick, humane kill, unless you're going for a head shot...[:'(]

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I think we agree in principal...primarily, I don't think it is my job to shapen out-of-package heads...we payed for that. Secondly, many folks report having problems getting a decent edge on their Montecs. You seemed to have found the secret. Lastly, I definitely agree regarding not having to pay for replacement blades. Flames are the sharpest edges I've ever found on a broadhead or knife and they are easy to resharpen when they need it. So, in essence we both have found what we are looking for. :D Best of luck to you this year, LittleChief!

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G5 Montecs!!!

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I shoot Montecs as well and I have also seen a difference in sharpnessfrom pack to pack.....BUT I don't see the big deal here. I mean the broad head is made to be re-sharpened. I don't think most knifes out on the market today are even remotely close to how sharp I want them to be. I have had to re-sharpen every knife I ever bought. I have many stones and I find sharpening my knifes or broad heads to be fun and at the very least I knowthey WILL be sharp.

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Not kidding at all. Like I said - I smashed a muzzy practice head right through the boiler room on a broadside doe - dead in seconds. Complete pass-through. (Accidentally pulled the wrong arrow out of the quiver) Dull broadheads have EVERYTHING to do with KE.

I've killed deer with heads as dull as a butter knife. When I was a kid, I was too broke to afford replacements, so we hunted with 'em until they were destroyed or lost. Good shots always did the job.

Not that scalpel-sharp blades won't help (they will) - but they're just another part of the equation, like everything else.

Pretty simple, really. Run a butterknife over your bare skin at 3 fps. Now run it over your skin at 250 fps. It'll rip right through the skin. It's all about the speed and pressure behind it. If you have energy to burn, a dull blade won't make a lick of difference.

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Sorry...this is just not what most would consider responsible hunting.Possibly the animal will die, but how quickly and how humanely? Our job as hunters is to insure, to the extent that we can, that the animal dies quickly and is recovered. Sharp blades cut blood vessels they come in contact with...dull blades can punch a hole but can also push blood vessels aside. Sharp blades are capable of leaving good blood trails. Sharp cuts cause excessive bleeding. Dull cuts tear and dull cuts clot easily. Sharp blades are therefor much more capable of quickly killing an animal...you can't recover something that lives long enough to get into the next county.This is not an argument for or against Montecs...it is basic commentary as to what the job/function of a broadhead is. To:

1. Fly accurately enough for proper shot placement
2.Be strong enough to hold together when impacting the target
3.Have the sharpeness to quickly and humanely dispatch the animal

All are equally important. Certainly the your Montecs have worked for you. Possibly they were sharper than you thought. There is no denying the NEED for as sharpa broadhead as you can shoot. We, as hunters, are charged with giving our game no less.

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Look - I don't care what you guys think or say, I've shot enough deer to know that if I hit a broadside buck with a 1-1/16" diameter Muzzy - doesn't matter if it's as dull as a butter knife orscalpel sharp-that deer is leaving with a 1-1/16" hole on both sides, lungs demolished, and it isn't going 100 yards.

I mean really, an airplane propeller isn't razor sharp - but go ahead and stick your hand in it and see what happens. There is more to cutting than sharpness. Speed and Pressure are required. Duller blades need more speed and pressure. If you're shooting 90# KE - you could hunt deer with practice points if you so desired. It's a 150# deer, not a 5 ton elephant.

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No disrespect intended, but:

1. no one, and I mean no one, can guarantee to always get a double lung hit...we're talking about real world variables.
2. what you are saying is true...a rock can be theoretically be thrown hard enough to kill a deer. Is that responsible hunting? Does it insure a quick and humane kill?

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RB - what you're missing here, is that when we say "dull" we're talking about the difference in sharpness between your garden-variety field-dressing knife (dull), and a surgical scalpel (sharp). We're talking about shooting a 150 pound animal, not a rhinoceros. We're talking about running these blades through an animal at 200+ miles per hour.

The difference (if any) between the two is so miniscule that it's not even worth noting.

I mean, yeah, it would be nice if every broadhead in every guy's quiver in this little utopiawas scalpel-sharp. But, this is the real world, and that will never happen. Guys kill 2-3 deer with the same head. They shoot them into the dirt, clean them off, and put them back in the quiver. It happens.

Fact is: More deer will be lost to bad shotsthan will ever be lostdue to a broadhead that wasn't razor sharp.

A lawnmower blade spins at 200 mph (same speed as an arrow flies). Most mower blades aren't exactly scalpel-sharp, but you wouldn't wanna put your fingers in there. The speed and force of the whirring blades change the entire dynamic. This is a great example of how energy makes up the slack for a dull blade. You don't need agiant razor bladeunder the deck of your John Deere to mow the lawn, just like you don't need a scalpel-sharp broadhead to kill a deer.

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Quick

I know you are confident in your setup.

Have fun and shoot straight, kill a big one for me;)