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Its true even practice blades will kill a deer. The thing with dull blades is that they tend to tear through the deer instead of slice. A deer will leave better and more profuse blood trails from a very sharp broadhead, and the hole one clotup as easily.With a marginal hitthat may just nicka major artery a dull head would have a better chance of pushing the arteryout of the way instead of slicing it openlike arazor sharp one would do. Does every head come hair shaving sharp? No, but as hunters we should do every thing we can to up our chances of making the quickest cleanest kills possible and using a very sharp broadhead plays a majoy role in that.

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Thanks G-man. If I can get one of the big boys to stand still this fall- I don't have any excuses... Time will tell.

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"Guys kill 2-3 deer with the same head. They shoot them into the dirt, clean them off, and put them back in the quiver. It happens."

Sorry Quick, but this falls into the category of two wrongs don't make a right. If you shoot an animal with a non-replacement blade broadhead, it needs to be re-sharpened. If you shoot an animal with a replacement blade head, the blades should be replaced in most cases. If you shoot a broadhead into the dirt, see either step 1 or 2 above. Not saying it doesn't happen...but it justifies nothing. It is all about being responsible. Really the same argument for taking only high percentage shots...can you kill a deer with a hard quartering to angle? Maybe, sometimes, possibly, hope so...not good answers. Shooting a sharp broadhead is like waiting for the correct shot angle...it expotentially increases the probability for a quick, clean kill. Don't know how to say it any better. At any rate, good luck this season. ;)

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I don't think there's much, if any, difference between a broadhead that's a shade on the dull side, versus another one as sharp as a scalpel at 300+ fps - the KE behind the arrow will slash rightthrough any soft tissue it touches. The only way to know for surewould be to stick your fingers under the deck of your lawnmower and see what happens- and I don't think either of us is willing to try it.

Agree to disagree, I guess.

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Dont get me wrong, I shot montecs part of last year. They werent very sharp out of the box and I couldnt get them much better afterwards. They kill deer thats what matters. Even though they arent razor sharp doesnt mean you should go shoot them into a target 100 times and not at least touch them up before you go hunting. You want that head as sharp as you can get it period, I dont care if its flying 300fps.

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[/align]OK, your light arrow went deep into a foam target, but will happen if it centers ona rib bone, or shoulder blade, or leg bone? I'm not knocking your set up at all, I'm sure it will kill a deer, and you sound like a dedicated guy to the sport or you wouldn't have invested all this time and money into your rig. Also, I'm shooting a bow that is considered ancient by compound bow standards and only fires aluminum arrows around 200 fps. I just madethe switch to carbon this year, and really like them so far. But here's the thing that concerns me. Weight is needed to drive a projectile through a target (animate or not). To give an extreme example, try this. Take a golf ball and a ping-pong ball, which are basically the same size, and throw them into a snow bank. Which one do you think will penetrate further? You have speed to burn (and then some, man that is some impressive speed), and your KE is DEFINITELY up there,so maybe you will be just fine. I think you are definitely going the right route with the montecs, I love them also. IMO, cut on contact heads are the ticket if you want a pass through shot. But take a head with a punching type tip on it (muzzy, etc...), and you lose a lot of your energy just getting through the skin, not to mention hitting a rib. That's not to say that muzzys are ineffective. I knowthere are TONS of people out there that have killed numerous animals with them, so I'm not knocking them either. Just thought I would throw thatoppinion out there.

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Outthe three deer my Buddie and I shot last year with these "Dull" Montecs..........One Made it 100 yards, One made it around 80 yards, the other only went 40 yards.......All had the best blood trails I've seen..........I wonder what would happen if they where "sharp"[&:];):D

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I am 12 for 12 with them. Great head!!!!

Just like strikers a tad better this year.

My 260+ pound buck i shot ran less than 40 yds;)

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I don't know, maybe they'd just fall over.:D
Hey Red Boar, I actually tried to find a place to order some of the Flames (based on your input), but had no luck. Too late now, I guess.

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Im not knocking Montecs Bird Hunt Dog, Im knocking the guys who go out there with dull head that have been shot into targets, dirt, and all sorts of stuff and either not resharpened or replaced. Montecs are not shaving sharp but they are sharp enough to do a heck of a job, I know I used them.

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the Montecs are not "dull" they are just not scalpel sharp. You can cut yourself on them if you are careless. I always wounder if the people who clame them to be dull are shooting the practice heads. true I have not had one that I can shave with but I have never seen a head like that.

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Hi, What size fletchings are you guys using w/ the montecs? Thanks

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I still don't see what all the fuss is aboutwhen it comes to out-of-the-package sharpness on a broadhead that's so easy to sharpen and so maintenance free. They may not have come shaving sharp, but I can make mine that way, and I'd be willing to bet they'll take more punishment than just about any broadhead that requires assembly except for maybe the Silver Flame.That's one sturdy looking head.

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Sorry to hear that, LittleChief. They aren't available in large quantities and go quickly. If you have been able to put a sharp edge on a Montec, then more power to you...I love the design. The discussion has evolved past the Montec to whether sharpness is an important characteristic of a broadhead. My recent posts should give a clue as to how I feel about the subject. ;) Best regards to ya and to you Quick...agree to disagree.

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Okay I have to put my input into this post. Do I believe you need sharp broadheads~YES! Do I believe people fall into the trap of needing to buy new blades everytime they shoot through a deer or into the ground~YES THEY DO!!

Its a money gimmick guys, if a broadhead is not made durable and sharp enough to stay sharp after a pass thru shot or even into the dirt then they are JUNK JUNK JUNK!!! I do buy b-heads about every year but if I shoot a deer I am damned if I am going to spend the money on new blades after I have shot through a deer, the blades are not gonna dull out that much!

Heres the way I look at it, do you sharpen your knife every time you gut a deer~ Probably? but if you happen to forget is it going to be sharp enough to do it again?~ Probably?
A broadhead blade is thinner I know generally a razor blade and realistically how long can you you use your razor knife without having to wory about cutting yourself?? A long time!!!!

Sorry had to vent a lil' Good luck guys!!!

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BT,
Somehow, your post just materialized in the middle of this. I didn't even see it until now.
Most will say "BLAZERS", but I shoot 4" feathers with mine. I guess since I have a "noisy" broadhead, I might as well use noisy feathers.:D:D (In case you're getting or already have Montecs, I'm kidding. Mine don't make any noise.)

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I value your input, but I guess I see sharpening or replacing a replaceable blade as very cheap insurance. Sharpening costs nothing but time and a replacement blade in most casesis 2 or 3 bucks or less. When you consider the thousands you have tied up in hunting gear(not to mention related costs like nonresident tags, or airfares, etc., etc.), it seems like nothing. I don't think you can compare it to a knife you use to field dress a deer. There is no risk in field dressing a dead deer with a less-than-sharp knife...might just take you some extra time and a little aggravation. There is a risk in wounding live game and you owe it to them to take the extra precaution. imho Durability is a completly different issue...I would not put a broadhead in my quiver, regardless of sharpness, that can't stand up to impact and have the structural integrity to stay together. Truthfully, I am very confused. :eek:It seems that many would have you believe that the hunting season consists of shooting hundreds of animals. How many do each of us shoot in a season? For me, a handful....certainly not so many that I can't make sure I have the sharpest blade possible for each...might even amount to about 20 or30 bucks a season...omg. Every deer I have ever bothered to take a shot at is worth far, far more.

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RED~~ I understand your concern completely! But if you were to re-use one of your nonsharpened bheads do you HONESTLY believe that it would not make a good clean kill?

Trust me I am one of the people that likes to use a new b-head every time Ihunt a deer. I just disagree that people state it is not ethicall to reuse a broadhead?? I guess thats why we all have opinions.

Hey also I see that you also shoot slicks I will also be using them this year and they definantally seem sharp enough to reuse without having to change the blades. (SUPER SHARP BLADES)

I am not trying to argue just wanted to state my opinion! Best of luck to ya!!

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RED~~ I understand your concern completely! But if you were to re-use one of your nonsharpened bheads do you HONESTLY believe that it would not make a good clean kill?

You are probably correct, WMH...to me it comes down to, why take the risk? I worked and thought/dreamed about that moment all year long...I'll give it my best and not have to wonder later. If I don't recover the animal, at least I know it was not from shooting the absolute sharpest broadhead I could.

I am a big Slick Trick fan, but I have recently gone to Silver Flames. Shot 4 hogs with them this summer. The Flames are the absolute definition of sharpness and are build like a bank vault....real pieces of art.

I wish you the best of luck this year as well!!

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I knew I lived in Utopia!!!;) Mine are scalpel sharp or better every day. They get honed and stropped a couple times a month whether they've been used or not.

I think the main point isn't that your dull heads won't kill a deer, it's that they'll kill one cleaner and faster if they were sharp, and if they're sharp and you do happen to wound an animal, the chances of the wound healing without infection are much better. I don't think that anyone will argue that sharp instruments cut better than dull ones. It's a variable that we can easily control so I see no reason to not control it.

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An opinion on the subject from 38bears, who works as an EMT....

To answer the question pertaining to blade sharpness in my experience I have seen many impaled objects. the patient has a greater chance of survival the less sharp the object is. The reason being is that dull objects tend to push hard organs such as the heart, liver, spleen, and even some arteries out of the way instead of penetrating them. Also blade sharpness helps reduce inflicted pain on the animal, the more you penetrate the more it bleed the quicker you die, the less you suffer.

I'll let the argument die its death as well...some folks won't be convinced. I am willing to bet you won't find anyone in the medical profession or anyone familar with basic physiology who doesn't believe sharp blades kill more quickly and humanely. We owe it to the game animals we pursue.