Mr. Longbeard. You are rapidly becoming my favorite repsondent. However, this will be my last post regarding this thread. Your statement about the deer taking a step which could cause a paunch shot and poor tracking situation is valid. However, maybe I am just lucky but none of the deer on the three long shot kills I took even flinched until the arrow hit them. I have had deer and elk hunch up, drop down, flinch, and jump in preparation to run at the sound of the bow going off but mostly at close ranges. So, I believe the possibility of an animal making an adverse movement when a bow is shot, always exists. On these three long shots,I think there is a possibliity that the bow noise was reduced due to the proximity, or lack thereof, of the shot and therefore was not such a startling noise to the deer. And yes, I was shooting a lot of 3-D at the time of these kills as well as FITA's where you shoot 6 arrows at a time form 90, 70, 50 and 30 meters. I believe I was prepared for the shots I made. And, if you read the rest of my posting, you would also see that I would not take the same shots today due to older age, less practice, and slight deterioriation of skill. You seem to dislike anyone who shoots 3-D's or has any success hunting. I hope you can find something in this posting to make you happy.

It would be unethical for me to do it.

But if Fred Bear honest to the Lord believed in his heart he was good enough to make the shot... then is it really unethical?

Moreover, he certainly would not be rolling in his grave as we talk about shots at a mere 60 yards with equipment even more advanced than what he helped bring about; espeically when he was shooting moose at 112 yards. I'm not entirely sure what kind of shot Fred Bear was. I'm sure he was good, but probably not Howard Hill good. He was more of a businessman and showman. A marketing genius for sure, and a very good man.

But rolling in his grave over 60 yard shots.... I think not....I suspect that to him, a 60 yard shot would be about like me shooting a Scottish pair on the Skeet Field in front of Tom Knapp.

SwampCollie, my post did not just pertain to Fred Bear, please read:

My point is that there are individuals out there today that could ethically make the shot with a bow. Personally, I woundn't hesitate to take a shot at deer moving at an even pace (but not running) within a comfortable distance.

The word ethical is a strong word. In my book ethics deal with hunting within the laws that govern your state. I have friends of mine who can shoot very effectively from outside 60 yards. Too each his own.

I wasn't talking about the deer jumping your string... I was saying that NOBODY can perdict when a deer is going to take a step... So at the very moment you realease that arrow the deer takes a step... You could very well hit the deer in the non vital area AKA the pounch AKA the gut shotSo no matter how many 3-D circuits you chased or FITA's you shot in... It still does not mean that you are incapable of putting a bad shot on a deer at those extremely long shooting distances

I think the lightbulb just went off.

I think I just learned what the term "irony" means.

And that 5 yard head shot?? Hello...

My bulb must be bad. What do you mean?

NON Vital.....lmao, a gut shot deer is a very very dead deer!

Exactly and everyone is assuming whitetail sized animals right? I practiced out to 70 yards prior to my elk hunt, would I have taken the shot, I don't know I wasn't presented with the shot but I do know I could have made it. I was grouping muzzy's in the 12 ring of a McKenzie elk every time...I was fortunate enough to take my bull at 33 yards.