Mr. Longbeard. You are rapidly becoming my favorite repsondent. However, this will be my last post regarding this thread. Your statement about the deer taking a step which could cause a paunch shot and poor tracking situation is valid. However, maybe I am just lucky but none of the deer on the three long shot kills I took even flinched until the arrow hit them. I have had deer and elk hunch up, drop down, flinch, and jump in preparation to run at the sound of the bow going off but mostly at close ranges. So, I believe the possibility of an animal making an adverse movement when a bow is shot, always exists. On these three long shots,I think there is a possibliity that the bow noise was reduced due to the proximity, or lack thereof, of the shot and therefore was not such a startling noise to the deer. And yes, I was shooting a lot of 3-D at the time of these kills as well as FITA's where you shoot 6 arrows at a time form 90, 70, 50 and 30 meters. I believe I was prepared for the shots I made. And, if you read the rest of my posting, you would also see that I would not take the same shots today due to older age, less practice, and slight deterioriation of skill. You seem to dislike anyone who shoots 3-D's or has any success hunting. I hope you can find something in this posting to make you happy.