QUESTION: What weighs more?
08-23-2007 | 12:08 PM
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RE: QUESTION: What weighs more?
I agree but it's not a side-effect...it's the objective.
Seeing larger racked bucks is not a side effect of shooting does, it's a side effect of NOT shooting bucks.
It's a TRUE side-effect in mY case....and not the overall objective (herd reduction).
I've passed on many bucks through out the years but not because I wanted him to grow bigger
Althogh I also agree with the rest of your sentence I quoted.
As long as the deer herds don't get too over populated (or we don't kill them all off)they will survive and flourish on their ownperiod.There is no need tomanage the bucksin order to improve or increase the amount of mature big antlered deer. Not unless you want to make it easier to shoot them.
08-23-2007 | 12:47 PM
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RE: QUESTION: What weighs more?
Jeff,
I believe you and I think you want to make sure the herd in your area is healthy, as do I.
I will do my part this year and shoot more does, but where I draw the line is I won't do anything with the sole intent of producing more and bigger bucks in the woods that I hunt. (not saying you do)
My biggest beef and I've stayed pretty consistent on this, is with those who come here and tell me to pass smaller bucks in the name of QDMwhen I know it's not quality deer management they truly want. They have no idea of my hunting or herd situation to even make a statement like that but they have to say it because it's the smoke screen they use to cover their own agenda....growing bigger bucks.
A perfect example is you Jeff. You have never (not that I have ever read) told anybody else what to do or what to shoot. You go about your business and your ideas of what to do in your hunting woods. I could only wish others would do the same.
To post on an open forum the "let em go so he can grow" mantra only solidifies my believe that these folks have forgotten that hunting is a personal endeavor and takes on a different meaning to different folks.
If these folks want to stack the odds ofshooting abig antlered deer fine do it, but don't force your way of hunting on everyone else. A little common courtesy is not too much to ask for. If all you want to do is stir the pot and I believe this to be the case in somethreads (like this one), then I think you are a shallow, narrow minded worm of a person with nothing better to do and I honestly feel sorry for you. Please crawl back under the rock you came out of.
I believe you and I think you want to make sure the herd in your area is healthy, as do I.
I will do my part this year and shoot more does, but where I draw the line is I won't do anything with the sole intent of producing more and bigger bucks in the woods that I hunt. (not saying you do)
My biggest beef and I've stayed pretty consistent on this, is with those who come here and tell me to pass smaller bucks in the name of QDMwhen I know it's not quality deer management they truly want. They have no idea of my hunting or herd situation to even make a statement like that but they have to say it because it's the smoke screen they use to cover their own agenda....growing bigger bucks.
A perfect example is you Jeff. You have never (not that I have ever read) told anybody else what to do or what to shoot. You go about your business and your ideas of what to do in your hunting woods. I could only wish others would do the same.
To post on an open forum the "let em go so he can grow" mantra only solidifies my believe that these folks have forgotten that hunting is a personal endeavor and takes on a different meaning to different folks.
If these folks want to stack the odds ofshooting abig antlered deer fine do it, but don't force your way of hunting on everyone else. A little common courtesy is not too much to ask for. If all you want to do is stir the pot and I believe this to be the case in somethreads (like this one), then I think you are a shallow, narrow minded worm of a person with nothing better to do and I honestly feel sorry for you. Please crawl back under the rock you came out of.
08-23-2007 | 12:54 PM
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RE: QUESTION: What weighs more?
My biggest beef and I've stayed pretty consistent on this, is with those who come here and tell me to pass smaller bucks in the name of QDMwhen I know it's not quality deer management they truly want. They have no idea of my hunting or herd situation to even make a statement like that but they have to say it because it's the smoke screen they use to cover their own agenda....growing bigger bucks.
A perfect example is you Jeff. You have never (not that I have ever read) told anybody else what to do or what to shoot. You go about your business and your ideas of what to do in your hunting woods. I could only wish others would do the same.
08-23-2007 | 01:13 PM
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RE: QUESTION: What weighs more?
There is nothing even remotely natural about the deer herds in the midwest ( read Illinois). With all of the developed land, meaning crop land, the abundance of food greatly inflates the deer population. Now days the deer herds in most areas must be managed effectively or it will lead to serious problems for the deer and the environment. QDM, if practiced correctly, does a good job of managing the herd and it's effects on the environment. By keeping a balanced age structure you will allow bucks to become older and more closely simulate the structure of "natural" herds of the past (olden days).
Having a greater number of mature bucks is natural and is accomplished by using QDM practices. It just took 50+ years of mis-managed hunting seasons and non-stop agricultural expansion to devastated the natural deer herd to what it has become today. An over abundance of deer does not make a healthy herd.
BigJ12 your statements are your opinion and in my eyes huge generalizations and for the most part not an accurate depiction of what a true QDMer is all about.
I just don't have time today to refute all this. Maybe later.
Having a greater number of mature bucks is natural and is accomplished by using QDM practices. It just took 50+ years of mis-managed hunting seasons and non-stop agricultural expansion to devastated the natural deer herd to what it has become today. An over abundance of deer does not make a healthy herd.
BigJ12 your statements are your opinion and in my eyes huge generalizations and for the most part not an accurate depiction of what a true QDMer is all about.
I just don't have time today to refute all this. Maybe later.
08-23-2007 | 01:33 PM
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RE: QUESTION: What weighs more?
There is nothing even remotely natural about the deer herds in the midwest ( read Illinois). With all of the developed land, meaning crop land, the abundance of food greatly inflates the deer population. Now days the deer herds in most areas must be managed effectively or it will lead to serious problems for the deer and the environment.
By keeping a balanced age structure you will allow bucks to become older and more closely simulate the structure of "natural" herds of the past (olden days).
Having a greater number of mature bucks is natural and is accomplished by using QDM practices.
An over abundance of deer does not make a healthy herd.
BigJ12 your statements are your opinion and in my eyes huge generalizations and for the most part not an accurate depiction of what a true QDMer is all about.
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