heavy arrow for "beginner"
01-01-2003 | 10:35 AM
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From: Murrysville PA USA
heavy arrow for "beginner"
I think I poisoned the other thread so I want to ask for help in this new thread. My Browning Cobra blew up 3 days ago such that I need a bow sooner rather than later.
grains = 630 momentum = 154 effective range = 30 yards
grains = 350 momentum = 100 effective range = 35 yards
I was wrong to decide for others, but I'll ask you decide for me - above is the data for a bow I am thinking of buying. Which of the arrows should I use to end up with a quickly dead deer, especially on bad hits? Above is the momentum delivered at 30 yards. The effective range is that at which the arrow drops 5 inches in 5 yards.
I think that momentum is better for penetration than KE, but it hardly matters, the KE of the heavier arrow is also much higher than tht of the light arrow if you look 30 yards down range.
I'm worried about the penetration on bad hits. I knock a twig on the way to the deer and the shaft is still wobbling on impact. I catch a rib simultaneously with two of four blades and deflect the arrow. I grab the bow on release and hit too far back on a quartering away shot.
beprepn
grains = 630 momentum = 154 effective range = 30 yards
grains = 350 momentum = 100 effective range = 35 yards
I was wrong to decide for others, but I'll ask you decide for me - above is the data for a bow I am thinking of buying. Which of the arrows should I use to end up with a quickly dead deer, especially on bad hits? Above is the momentum delivered at 30 yards. The effective range is that at which the arrow drops 5 inches in 5 yards.
I think that momentum is better for penetration than KE, but it hardly matters, the KE of the heavier arrow is also much higher than tht of the light arrow if you look 30 yards down range.
I'm worried about the penetration on bad hits. I knock a twig on the way to the deer and the shaft is still wobbling on impact. I catch a rib simultaneously with two of four blades and deflect the arrow. I grab the bow on release and hit too far back on a quartering away shot.
beprepn
01-01-2003 | 03:52 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: Wisconsin
RE: heavy arrow for "beginner"
Looks like another speed trap , but I'll bite.
There are countless different arrow combos out there for any given setup. Find something that gives you the best of both worlds and you'll wind up right in the middle of your two choices. It also sounds like you expect a certain arrow combination (weight) to make up for poor shot placement (twig , back too far , etc.) , when you should be concentrating on achieving excellent shot placement and finding an arrow combo that flies great.
<---Doug---<<<
There are countless different arrow combos out there for any given setup. Find something that gives you the best of both worlds and you'll wind up right in the middle of your two choices. It also sounds like you expect a certain arrow combination (weight) to make up for poor shot placement (twig , back too far , etc.) , when you should be concentrating on achieving excellent shot placement and finding an arrow combo that flies great.
<---Doug---<<<
01-01-2003 | 04:32 PM
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From: PA Sask CAN
RE: heavy arrow for "beginner"
I think you are over-thinking your equipment WAAAYYYYY TOOOOOO
much.
What is your draw length and poundage. If you are a long draw and have it set at 60 pounds plus use any quality fixed blade broadhead and you will be fine.
If you have a short draw and low poundage(below 60) than you have to think a little more about about broadhead choice. Like going with a 2 blade cut on contact.
If I were you I would go with Carbon Express Terminator Hunters they will come in at about 350-370 gr without a head installed. Good balance of weight and stiff spine but still light enough to get reasonable speed.
much.
What is your draw length and poundage. If you are a long draw and have it set at 60 pounds plus use any quality fixed blade broadhead and you will be fine.
If you have a short draw and low poundage(below 60) than you have to think a little more about about broadhead choice. Like going with a 2 blade cut on contact.
If I were you I would go with Carbon Express Terminator Hunters they will come in at about 350-370 gr without a head installed. Good balance of weight and stiff spine but still light enough to get reasonable speed.
01-01-2003 | 04:53 PM
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From: Vermilion Ohio
RE: heavy arrow for "beginner"
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> I think you are over-thinking your equipment WAAAYYYYY TOOOOOO much.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
smartest thing ive seen anyone post to a topic like this. <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>
open this can of worms again and we're not gonna get any farther ahead than we did in the sister thread. LOL
smartest thing ive seen anyone post to a topic like this. <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>
open this can of worms again and we're not gonna get any farther ahead than we did in the sister thread. LOL
01-01-2003 | 05:42 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: heavy arrow for "beginner"
Try eastons new XX99's, they are rot iron, weight is in pounds, not grains. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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01-01-2003 | 10:08 PM
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From: Heaven IA USA
RE: heavy arrow for "beginner"
...This is a trick question, right? 
A poor shot is a poor shot is a poor shot. It doesn't matter if you are shooting 100 ft. lbs. of kinetic energy or momentum. Great everything can't make up for a poor shot. Even with modern archery equipment shooting a so called heavy arrow... if you hit the scapula square, your not getting through, period. I know we hear about it all the time how someone "blew completely through" but I have never witnessed it to be true when it was throughly investigated. If the hit is to far back it doesn't take much energy to get a pass through.
Arrow weight, speed, kinetic energy, momentum, etc. has been hashed and trashed for years. Not that it doesn't have merit. Certainly we all should aquire as much knowledge on these subjects as possible. But to be closed minded on either side of the issue I feel is a mistake.
With modern equipment penetration has never been a problem for me in many years of bow hunting and many dozens of bow kills. What was a problem in my early days was shot selection and angle of impact. Once I learned my lessons in these areas everything else seemed to fall into place.
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A poor shot is a poor shot is a poor shot. It doesn't matter if you are shooting 100 ft. lbs. of kinetic energy or momentum. Great everything can't make up for a poor shot. Even with modern archery equipment shooting a so called heavy arrow... if you hit the scapula square, your not getting through, period. I know we hear about it all the time how someone "blew completely through" but I have never witnessed it to be true when it was throughly investigated. If the hit is to far back it doesn't take much energy to get a pass through.
Arrow weight, speed, kinetic energy, momentum, etc. has been hashed and trashed for years. Not that it doesn't have merit. Certainly we all should aquire as much knowledge on these subjects as possible. But to be closed minded on either side of the issue I feel is a mistake.
With modern equipment penetration has never been a problem for me in many years of bow hunting and many dozens of bow kills. What was a problem in my early days was shot selection and angle of impact. Once I learned my lessons in these areas everything else seemed to fall into place.
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