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You're crazy. We're just not trying as hard as they are. When they left NC.....the P&Y entries would be just like "back home". These guys are good.

RE: Keeping things in perspective.
 

So if you concede there are not as many, would it be safe to say that they may be harder to find?

Saying "if you really want one....go find one"sounds like you are confident big bucks are on that persons hunting groundsbut they are just not finding them? I wouldprobably go with the the person who is hunting/scouting the ground having a more thorough understanding of the deer he is hunting.

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I swear you can't see past the end of your nose when I say to "go find one".... I am not telling you to leave NC but rather find some time to scout out and hunt some other local areas and not just rely on the playground.

I hunt different local areas every year as well as a bunch of public 2+ hours south of me. I dont sit in the same place day after day......

No I don't.

If I never shoot one it wont be from my lack of trying to find and kill one ;)

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I agree 1GR8Buck. Id like to know there route to and from Ill and Oh...:D

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You guys are wearing me out here..... :D

Yes, I would agree they would be harder to find... I never said otherwise, doesn't mean one should give up if a big buck is what they want.

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What youseem to resistacknowledging Scott is......."BIG" is relative.

I don;t care how big the deer are in someone else's woods. I want to take the best deer from the woods I choose to hunt.

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And if GMMAT never shoots one it will be from a lack of trying to find and kill one?

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Ok Cougars I'll appologize if I came off sounding like a know it all, talking about yearlings. Around this area thats what we know them as. Here a fawn has spots, once the spots are gone we consider them yearlings. So my bad on that. For the record I could care less what anyone here shoots. Not my tag so shoot whatever makes a person happy...

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NEW....stop it, dude.....with the logic thing, again.

;)

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Than stop complaining about "location" as you chose your location and obviously don't want to keep looking....

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Imentioned this earlier what do you think buckeye?

Someone in IL might pass 130" deer up, that same hunter would be foolish to do that in Southeast VA or NC. Not that the bucksdon't getthat big herebut more so it takes them longer to get bigger.

Ifa hunterkills a 120"4 year old buck in VA and another hunter kills 160" 4 year old in IL, does that make the guy in IL a better hunter?

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If he is unwilling to broaden his hunting opportunities outside of the playground than yes.

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Choosing a location is not like choosing a broadhead. "Oh man thebucks don't get as big herein VAas they do in Ohio, honey pack up the kids we're moving!!";)

Not likely.

What I really mean is most of us find ways for hunting to be a big part of our lives butthat doesn't mean it is the only thing in our lives and we work with what we have.

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No. My first criteria is age class. When we speak of bucks here at home, my buddies and I, we refer to them by age and points not P&Y score.

EX. The 3.5 skinny 9 or the wide2.5 8 pointetc etc....

Not sure if you can relate words into thoughts or not but I never said to leave his area... I have said LOCALLY numerous times.

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Well that is good but a lot of hunters seem to think antler inches= hunting skill, which is often not the case.

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I never did complain. What are you talking about?

I made an observation about the above.

And Scott......I have priorities over big deer that I'm just fine with. You've never ONCE heard me complain about the size of the deer here. I made an observation.....which really isn't debateable. It's a fact.

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Not sure what you mean, your words and thoughts are so complex.

All I am saying is some of us hunt where and how itfits our lives andif you don't know how hard it is to come across good land to hunt (ecspecially in the localcounties known for high buck numbers) youdon't really know what it is all about. Not saying you don't know what it is all about in Ohio, but as far as VA NC I'm sure you don't. I have hunted these two states for the past 20 years and only recently (past few seasons)have I gotten access to some reallyprime locations.But I guess since location doesn't matterI am just making up excuses.;)

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Are those "prime locations" local to you or areas that you have hunted?

When he speaks of "location" he is trying to compair FL to IA or NC to IL etc etc.... not one spot behind the house and anotheran hour drive away.

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Here's a fair question, Scott.

IfRybo hunted your land......do you think he'd be as "successful" as you.....if you measure "success" by the age/rack size of deer harvested?

Yet....the deer he does harvest (though very nice deer) aren't the size of the ones you take. Why is that?????

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What diference does it make? I say THE difference in public perspective is LOCATION of the hunter. If I hunted your land.....I'd.....ooops....

Some want to make out like this is rocket science. They're freakin deer. Put yourself in the arena......and if they're there.....you'll kill 'em. The "mystique" of this makes me guffaw. It's a deer.

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Yes, I think Rybo is a sharp hunter who understands big bucks. I believe he would be successful no matter where he chased bucks.

The buck he shot last year was like 1 inch "smaller" than mine via P&Y scoring.


*Edit* From here on out I am done "arguing" with gmat about deer. If any of my buddies here notice me arguing about big bucks with gmat again I give you personal permission to kick me in the nuts next time I see you.... Go easy on me though, I am not sure if I can contain myself;)

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What would you do?

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*Edit* From here on out I am done making observations withbuckeye about deer. If any of my buddies here notice memaking observationsabout big bucks withbuckeye again, I give you personal permission toremind me ofwhose presence I'm in. I have half my brain tied behind my back....just to keep it fair...and I feel like a bully.;)

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He would undoubtedly be a courteous, responsible hunter and abide by the rules set by the person who invited him to hunt there, no matter how silly they may be. ;)

I'm just waiting for the QDM'ers to escelate the rhetoric until it's impossible to ever shoot a buck because they simply don't have the natural lifespan to get to the required level of maturity. [8D]

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Arthur....I'm just tired of Lyle Lovett look-alikes hanging around the blind, all-girls college andbragging totheir buddies about how much they're scoing.

DUH!!![&:]

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gmat

One day when you have even a little bit of experience to back your non stop opinions on mature bucks (that you have most likely never saw before) I may actually listen to your opinion beforeI disregard it, unlikely however.
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either way fella's......I cant believe i just read that whole thing.......lol

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Nevermind....... I am done chatting with gmat.





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As someone that has not many mature 3.5 y/o+ bucks to his credit (only 1), I still can understand what buckeye is trying to say here.

I think what he is trying to say, is that the price we pay in areas such as central/east/north PA, NC, etc...........areas that don't hold as many big deer because of general age class and genetics, may be much higher, however if we really want it we can still overcome those challenges, pull ourselves out of our comfort zones, etc........to find, pattern, and kill mature deer on a somewhat consistent basis. To say we didn't kill one because they aren't here is an excuse in my opinion. To say that the price to find one, pattern one, and put yourself in the position to kill one was too high and not worth it, is more of an accurate statement.

I can relate to that. I choose to hunt in Otsego County, NY and Bradford County, PA. Areas not really known for big bucks (at least not on a national basis). I hunt them because that is where I have the most fun because of family and friends that can also hunt with me there, and because I have the ability to manage the deer herd there. If killing big bucks on a consistent basis was my #1 priority I would take more time to find them outside the areas I hunt now, pattern them outside the areas I currently hunt.......and I would probably kill more of them as well but that price is too high and not worth the fun I have at the locations I currently go to.

Just MHO. [8D]

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Right on Matt.... [8D]

Based on this reply and quite a few PM's I guess Gmt must be one of the only people who cannot understand what I have been trying to say all along.

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Couldn't have said it better myself Cougar. Why miss out on a nice clean harvest that will make you happy, for a buck you may never see.

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if i see a buck that makes me shake, and makes my heart start pounding, its a shooter. plain and simple.

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You guys are way too sensitive.

I said the number one criteria when public perception was involved.....was location.

That's it. It's not even debateable. I can understand not wanting people to think what you were doing was "easy" (though that doesn't bother me, anymore).....but to think you aren't (metaphorically) born with the silver spoon in your mouth....if you live in one of the big buck states.....you're really being a bit disingenuous.

I don't envy you. I'm not complaining about the deer I hunt. I'm making an observation.

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You know.......Until the other day, I didn't think there were any MATURE bucks running around my area. Why? Because in 3 years of hunting my balls off I've never seen one.....Never. My parents live on the farm, and they've NEVER seen one either. NEVER.

Guess what? He's there, I laid eyes on him the other day. Folks, MATURE bucks ARE, emphasis on ARE, there......Are they hunted harder in some places than others? Sure. Are there as many in some places as others? No. Does a mature buck get as big a rack everywhere? No. But they ARE there, we just have to get off of our McDonald's eating, remote control using butts, get out there and FIND them.

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I have no opinions on mature bucks. never claimed to. I know where they reside and where they don't flourish.....and so does everyone else. That's all I was saying.

I killed a 3.5 yr old last year (which, in my novice book....is a mature deer)......and I've seen another as or a little older. But who am I to argue with you? I only hunt here.

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I have to admit that this is just damn near the funniest thing I have ever read.
You fawn killing bunch of looses need to move to buckville and shoot the first thirty five does you see.Then and just then you might be righteous enough to let those tempting six pointers pass.
After you pay the land owners back child support and only then should you hope to be found acceptable and tolerable to shoot the stag of the state.
You lucky Bastarrd. ;)

Hey coug shootem all and have a great time doing it.:)

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Can we see that picture again? I'm by NO means an expert, but I don't remember that buck having the appearance of a 3 and a half year old.....

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LOL....So you've got people PMing you telling you that where you live has nothing to do with the chances of your successes with big deer? That they're everywhere, equally.....and that the guys in some states just aren't trying as hard as you?

I believe that.....lol.

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What does a 3.5 yr old from here look like, mobo? (and for the record....Im only going on the word of my taxidermist.....who's won national awards)

;)
And "somehow" the conversation has meandered from "big" deer to "mature" deer. I've never argued that mature deer weren't everywhere. They are.

Exactly. He said he'd change his location if he was serious about hunting big bucks.

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Last bit of convo I am having with you........

I swear you cannot read something and process it..... Because of this and good advice from some of my buddiesround hereI choose to no longer engage in any type of conversation with you in the future.

Take care.