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ORIGINAL: Cougars09 I would be very disappointed after the fact if I killed a 1.5yr old buck because 1yr old bucks here are VERY small here. It's the 2.5yr old 6pts that I'm talking about. I'll be honest with you there is a 6 point I've got my eyes on this year that I will be tickled pink if I can take. He is at least 3.5 years old and wide and heavy. He makes the 16 inch 8 he's been hanging with look like a baby. |
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For my first deer every ill take anything
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my hats off to ya cougar ;)good post and i think you nailed it when you said what makes YOU happy!! happy hunting my friend!! and you better make it to the get together this time in 2008.:)
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ORIGINAL: HuntingBry I think IL Cornfed is getting at that a lot of people "talk" about passing onyounger bucks and honestly have the intention of doing it, but one that little guy with horns is in front of you that trigger finger gets awfully itchy. Like IL-Cornfed has said many times......most people want to kill amature buck, but don't want to make the sacrafices or have the will power to hold off on the young ones. |
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Why does a deer have to be a trophy? Can't it just be a deer? I didn't get a trophy tag, I got a deer tag.
In my opinion QDM goes against the whole point behind hunting. I do it to control the population and reduce the damage they do to crops and cut down on vehicle collisions. The fact that they taste good doesn't hurt. I don't do it so I can pay 500 bucks to have one mounted on my wall so I can brag to my buddies about it. Or have my name put in a book. I would rather have some guy take 4 small yearlings then have a bunch of people waiting around for the perfect "mature" deer to hang on their wall. If that is what you want to do then that is fine, it is legal and all. If you want to mess up the whole deer harvest and tag issuing system feel free. Just don't tell me I have to do it or that I am messing up because I don't want to. They issue the tags so you will kill them, not sit and watch them walk by. And I honestly think you would be better off sitting in your stand every day instead of just now and then right when season starts. That way the deer are used to you. The deer don't know what human smell is, they just know when something is different. Paul |
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ORIGINAL: _Dan ORIGINAL: HuntingBry I think IL Cornfed is getting at that a lot of people "talk" about passing onyounger bucks and honestly have the intention of doing it, but one that little guy with horns is in front of you that trigger finger gets awfully itchy. Like IL-Cornfed has said many times......most people want to kill amature buck, but don't want to make the sacrafices or have the will power to hold off on the young ones. |
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I know I got to the point, last year, where I was feeling some pressure.
When I let go of that.....the floodgates burst open....and I had fun (and a modicum of success). I'm going into this season with no pressure. I'm not waiting for anything. I'm shooting EVERY slickhead that comes into range.....until I say "stop". If a buck I want comes by......bonus. |
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ORIGINAL: Copper31 ORIGINAL: _Dan ORIGINAL: HuntingBry I think IL Cornfed is getting at that a lot of people "talk" about passing onyounger bucks and honestly have the intention of doing it, but one that little guy with horns is in front of you that trigger finger gets awfully itchy. Like IL-Cornfed has said many times......most people want to kill amature buck, but don't want to make the sacrafices or have the will power to hold off on the young ones. Belive me, I was thinking this same thing while typing my last response.....it just never came out. I agree with that statement 100%. |
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ORIGINAL: _Dan ORIGINAL: HuntingBry I think IL Cornfed is getting at that a lot of people "talk" about passing onyounger bucks and honestly have the intention of doing it, but one that little guy with horns is in front of you that trigger finger gets awfully itchy. Like IL-Cornfed has said many times......most people want to kill amature buck, but don't want to make the sacrafices or have the will power to hold off on the young ones. Someone in IL might pass 130" deer up, that same hunter would be foolish to do that in Southeast VA or NC. Not that the bucksdon't getthat big herebut more so it takes them longer to get bigger. Ifa hunterkills a 120"4 year old buck in VA and another hunter kills 160" 4 year old in IL, does that make the guy in IL a better hunter? Not necessarily it just means he killed a bigger buck based on antlerinches and too many hunters feel that the measure of the antler inchesequates to how the hunter measures up and I personally don't agree with that. I know too many great hunters (in my eyes) that are not trophy hunters but great hunters none the less to buy into that theory. Just my opinion. |
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Ifa hunterkills a 120"4 year old buck in VA and another hunter kills 160" 4 year old in IL, does that make the guy in IL a better hunter? Not necessarily it just means he killed a bigger buck based on antlerinches and too many hunters feel that the measure of the antler inchesequates to how the hunter measures up and I personally don't agree with that. I know too many great hunters (in my eyes) that are not trophy hunters but great hunters none the less to buy into that theory. Just my opinion. |
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I agree. I found out what a "Shooter" was for me when I took my first deer [doe]. I will still wait for a big doe but have no issue with taking a doe. What I try to do every year is take a doe first to get some meat in the freezer but after that, I want the big one!
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I just take the whole location thing as an excuse.... If someone really wants to hunt and shoot big bucks they will find a way to do so.
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I just take the whole location thing as an excuse.... If someone really wants to hunt and shoot big bucks they will find a way to do so. You still haven't told me how the guy living on Islamorada can be abig buck hunter....I mean....if he REALLY wants to. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I just take the whole location thing as an excuse.... If someone really wants to hunt and shoot big bucks they will find a way to do so. You still haven't told me how the guy living on Islamorada can be abig buck hunter....I mean....if he REALLY wants to.  |
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Shot in his lease? Where? Does everyone have access to this land?
You're showing the number 10 deer of all time in a state and proclaiming that they're "out there"....if we just want it bad enough. No offense, Scott.....but itcomes across a little smarmycoming from a guy hunting private land in OH. |
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I think location is crucial and sometimes I feel like too many people tend to think of "hunting" as it applies to them specifically without acknowledging that are vast regional differences not just in the deer but in the land/terrain, hunting seasons, hunting practices, hunting pressure, etc. I am very open to input from just about anyone that has something to offer but I still take it for what it is worth and apply that inputif itfits the area I hunt. That doesn't mean I don't readeveryones inputor think other guys are wrong,because while itmight be wrong formy hunting areaor the way I hunt, I'm sure it is right or works for them.Just because someone does something different than me doesn't mean it is wrong, just different and I can live with that. Sometimes though (ecspecially on sites like this) people want to beat their way into your head or you get the"my ways right yours is wrong mentality" when most of the topics we are talking about involveopinions,and oftenthere is noabsolute right or wrong just differing opinions.
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No offense, Scott.....but itcomes across a little smarmycoming from a guy hunting private land in OH. You're showing the number 10 deer of all time in a state and proclaiming that they're "out there"....if we just want it bad enough. |
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I'd love for the "big buck" hunters to come and whet their appetites in my woods.
Man that would be great to see them Booners I've never seen.....my neighbors have never seen....and no one else has ever seen. These guys are good. |
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ORIGINAL: buckeyebuckhntr I just take the whole location thing as an excuse.... If someone really wants to hunt and shoot big bucks they will find a way to do so. I guess tha explains why there are so many people just dieing to get down here to VA and get an out of state license and chase the monsters of the East Coast.;) |
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Scott:
You have to realize how"holier than thou"that sounds. You're sitting in OH.....telling people there are big bucks everywhere....and they just aren't doing what it takes to get them. I think you even started a thread about people making excuses. Have a good one. Oh yeah.... The buck I shot last year......I only know of one buck shot in our area that had a bigger rack. I'm at the bow shop a LOT.....and they didn't hear of one, either (other than the one). How many were shot in your area that matched or bettered yours? I'm just askin. |
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ORIGINAL: NEW61375 ORIGINAL: _Dan ORIGINAL: HuntingBry I think IL Cornfed is getting at that a lot of people "talk" about passing onyounger bucks and honestly have the intention of doing it, but one that little guy with horns is in front of you that trigger finger gets awfully itchy. Like IL-Cornfed has said many times......most people want to kill amature buck, but don't want to make the sacrafices or have the will power to hold off on the young ones. Someone in IL might pass 130" deer up, that same hunter would be foolish to do that in Southeast VA or NC. Not that the bucksdon't getthat big herebut more so it takes them longer to get bigger. Ifa hunterkills a 120"4 year old buck in VA and another hunter kills 160" 4 year old in IL, does that make the guy in IL a better hunter? Not necessarily it just means he killed a bigger buck based on antlerinches and too many hunters feel that the measure of the antler inchesequates to how the hunter measures up and I personally don't agree with that. I know too many great hunters (in my eyes) that are not trophy hunters but great hunters none the less to buy into that theory. Just my opinion. I don't see where it was hard to understand what I was saying, unless you mis-read it. I used the term mature bucks and not big bucks. There are mature deer everywhere, but not big racks. I don't think the only good hunters are the ones shooting the big bucks, but they are the ones shooting the mature ones. Location means nothing. The sacrafices and will power I was talking about is passing on young bucks and knowing that there is the possibility of not killing a buck at all. |
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Dan:
I see what you're saying......but the thread I had out the other day was about public perception. They don't run the contest on Age, either.....so yes....location DOES matter. (Otherwise....I agree totally with your assessment. There are mature deer everywhere. Are there BIG BUCKS everywhere? Nope) |
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I like this subject so I will chime in on it.:D
Coug's, shoot what YOU want to shoot. Try your best to keep the herd healthy where you live and you can ask no more from yourself as a hunter. Here where I hunt there are deer everywhere, lots of does and lots of bucks in every age group. I have it pretty easy in my approach to QDM. When I say QDM I mean the original intent of it and that's to keep the herds as healthy as possible. I will probably kill up to 5 does like I do pretty much every year. This is thenumber one priorityon the QDM list, there are just too may deer for this area period. I'm not concerned in the least about the age group of the males, there are just too many so I'm pretty sure every age group is thriving. Thereforewill shoot any buck I feel like when the time is right. Some years I am after certain slammers I happen to see while scouting, others I just wait to see what comes along. Sometime it happens that a large antlered mature deer meets his demise and others it's that basket six that gets the pointy end. Anyone who hunts in my area (or most of Illinois for that matter) who tells me to pass on smaller bucks in the name of QDM is either not in touch with the deer populations here or is hiding behind QDM in the attempt topush their true agenda and that's to grow bigger antlered deer and stack the odds in their favor for arrowing one. If that's what you want fine, but don't call it QDM and don't force me to go along with it. I would just rather kill one that Mother Nature grew and not me. |
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I never said I didn't understand you I simply asked what sacrifices. You said what I thought you would say, the sacrifice is passing on young bucks. I see that as a choice. You choose to pass on younger bucks I choose not to mainly beacause of the number of buck tags I get. If I have three buck tags I would have to be one heck of a hunter and have a whole lot of time to hunt to successfullykill three maturebucks this season. So letssay I use two of them onbucks that are 3 or under in the big picture I still have one I can useif the big boy decides to cooperate and there will still be bigmature deer next season because like you said they are there. Now granted there might be two less but two less than what? Some unknown number ofmature bucks because many of them are never seen anyway. Butthey are there, I'll give you that but I am definitely not gonna piss away three tags because the deer that came by today didn't have his ID and looked a little young.Instead I'll hunt as much as I can and make the most ofmy trips out, if I have 3 day weekend to hunt- no I probably won't shoot the first buck that comes by, if I am slipping out for an evening hunt I might. Now I can surely understand how in another region if a hunter only gets one buck tag he would hunt differently andif I hunted somewhere like thatI probably would too. But I don't so I don't.
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What part of NC are you from gmat? What county?
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I've argued enough in the past about what to shoot/what to pass....
My sincere question arises regarding the age estimation from cougs about the size of his deer. I know TN is southand all, but what he's calling a 2.5 year old buck is not even a NICE 1.5 up here. I want to know if these are his guesses, or has he gotten the info from jawbone aged deer from thier dept of wildlife? |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Dan: I see what you're saying......but the thread I had out the other day was about public perception. They don't run the contest on Age, either.....so yes....location DOES matter. (Otherwise....I agree totally with your assessment. There are mature deer everywhere. Are there BIG BUCKS everywhere? Nope) I'm not talking aboutthe contest, inches, rack size, body size, hoof size, bra size, etc. I'm only talking about mature deer. Ihave never and will never.....ever....refer to rack size when I talk about hunting a certain area, other than my own. But I think you understand that.?.?[:-];) |
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But I think you understand that.?.?[:-];) I live in Forsyth County, Scott. |
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ORIGINAL: NEW61375 I never said I didn't understand you I simply asked what sacrifices. You said what I thought you would say, the sacrifice is passing on young bucks. I see that as a choice. You choose to pass on younger bucks I choose not to mainly beacause of the number of buck tags I get. Choice or sacrafice......same thing to me.;) Basicly, we're on the same page. |
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LMAO.... I just looked in my MOST recent P&Y Newsletter and you just had a 141 inch buck entered from Stokes County..... 1 measley county North.
That guy must not go to your Bow shop ;) |
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I want to know if these are his guesses, or has he gotten the info from jawbone aged deer from thier dept of wildlife? |
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Dan
I re read your first post and I get your point about mature deer being everywhere. That is pretty much what I was trying to say in the post comparing the two deer, deer can have the same age/maturitybutoften that is theironly similarity. I should read slower. |
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Egads, Scott....[:o]
We had ......(gasp)......ONE?.......from the neigboring county? I never realized! (except I did......that ONE deer was all the news down here. What happens when a 141 is killed in OHIO........yawn.....?) Why, heck.........there just EVERYWHERE! I'll do better, man. If I moved over to the next county.....maybe I'd get a shot at one like that guy did.......and I'd qualifyto be in your club. |
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ORIGINAL: rybohunter I've argued enough in the past about what to shoot/what to pass.... My sincere question arises regarding the age estimation from cougs about the size of his deer. I know TN is southand all, but what he's calling a 2.5 year old buck is not even a NICE 1.5 up here. I want to know if these are his guesses, or has he gotten the info from jawbone aged deer from thier dept of wildlife? They are honestly just educated guesses. I see enough deer a year to know approximate age around here. You have to remember that summer deer appear MUCH smaller than they are. The buck i killed last year was a solid 2.5yr old no doubt in my mind. I'm sure you've seen pictures. If you'd like I can post up a bunch more pictures for you to look at for comparison. |
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ORIGINAL: buckeyebuckhntr LMAO.... I just looked in my MOST recent P&Y Newsletter and you just had a 141 inch buck entered from Stokes County..... 1 measley county North. That guy must not go to your Bow shop ;) |
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Save it, new.....logic has no place, here.[&:]:eek:
It always kills me when people states away know my hunting grounds better than I do. I can only strive to achieve carnac whitetail status. When you see a 1.5 yr old deer, here.....you know it. When you see what you think is a 2.5.....chances are....you MIGHT be lookin at a 3.5.....and less likely the other way around. I see so many little bucks (antlers)....that I think I'm getting the hang of this (and remember....I probably see MORE deer than most). But....what do I know? I only live here and hunt them, here. I'll defer to someone who's never been here for the real expertise.:eek: |
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Gmmat your county held the state record until last year, it was beat by a buck from Halifax county...... Has to be a 200 class gross buck.
I am not saying there as many big bucks in SE States as there are in the Mid West and Canada only a fool would say that, I am only saying if you really want one...... they are there, go find one. I do not claim to know anything about your hunting grounds.... What's this about "my club"? |
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That would be a good hunting show episode. Take two seasoned hunters from completely different hunting regions and swap them, like trading spouses. I would like to personally volunteer, anyone in Illinois, Canada, Ohio game, for the 08-09 season of course. I have several prime Southeast VA / Northeast NC honey holes ready to have Booners plucked from their most secret hiding spots and in return I'll hunt your honey hole. I will provide all aerial photos/topo maps, and any other info requested (including trail cam pics, and summer scouting pics).
At the end of the season we will compare results.:D Just kidding, but that could make for an interesting huntingshow. |
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I live in Indiana, [for those of you who aren't sharp on your geography, that's between Illinois and Ohio] and the quantity of big bucks, 140 and bigger, are not shot here very often. There are big bucks here but you have to catch them traveling from Ohio to Illinois or vise-versa! I need to move my stand closer to I70. :D
It seems like those big deer are shot every day of the season in my surrounding states... |
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go find one. And I can assure you that if my county held any record.....the deer was shot off a fencedarea I know of, here. I am not saying there as many big bucks in SE States as there are in the Mid West and Canada only a fool would say that, I am only saying if you really want one...... they are there, go find one. Do you know how idiotic it would be to travel a state (i.e. change loations) in search of something SO elusive? You shoot a190 net typical (which is JUST as elusive/typical in your state) and come back and we'll talk. |
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