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07-03-2007, 10:22 AM
#51
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Indiana PA USA
Posts: 3,656
RE: deer driving
Come to Pennsylvania during rifle season some time and try finding some private property to hunt. Most of the private property that people allow hunters on will have many more hunters on it. After the first morning of season the deer just don't move on their own. Why? Well, they had over a million hunters in the woods for that first day across the state, the deer pick up on that pretty quick.
Lonewolf, what type of rifle hunting do you after the first day of season? Do you sit in a stand and just hope and pray that something will come by? If thats the case, chances are those deer that are comming past you are on their feet because of a deer drive.
As far as how "sporting" it is, you are looking at things in way to simple of a scheme. You simply believe that guys surround the woods, drive through and all the deer run right out to a guy waiting to shoot them. This can't be further from the truth. No matter how much time we spend in the woods we will never have the knowledge of the terrain that the deer do. I have been on alot of drives since I started hunting and it takes more knowledge of the deers habits and the land than setting up a good archery stand. First off, a good deer drive starts off with playing the wind. Usually the drivers will go in upwind and VERY slowly move through the woods towards the posters. Next you have to figure out exactly where the deer are, and in woods around here that could be anywhere as they are all thick undergrowth mixed with crab apple trees, green briars, and blowdowns. Now the fun begins, you have to figure out a way to bump them up and get them moving in the direction that you want without having them run for the hills. Try playing mind games with a deer once and you tell me how easy it is to outsmart one. We usually just let our smell and the sound of us walking bump the deer as it keeps them from moving too fast. Now, that deer has infinit escape routes and you gotta hope that he takes one past a poster, and even then it isn't a gimmie, that deer has to be moving slow enough to identify as a legal deer and to make a safe and ethical shot. Simply put, it isn't a gimmie as you are trying to portray it. Later on I will take my digital camera out on my quad ride and get some pictures of my property and I will post them. I want you to tell me how to hunt this property without doing a deer drive.
Lonewolf, what type of rifle hunting do you after the first day of season? Do you sit in a stand and just hope and pray that something will come by? If thats the case, chances are those deer that are comming past you are on their feet because of a deer drive.
As far as how "sporting" it is, you are looking at things in way to simple of a scheme. You simply believe that guys surround the woods, drive through and all the deer run right out to a guy waiting to shoot them. This can't be further from the truth. No matter how much time we spend in the woods we will never have the knowledge of the terrain that the deer do. I have been on alot of drives since I started hunting and it takes more knowledge of the deers habits and the land than setting up a good archery stand. First off, a good deer drive starts off with playing the wind. Usually the drivers will go in upwind and VERY slowly move through the woods towards the posters. Next you have to figure out exactly where the deer are, and in woods around here that could be anywhere as they are all thick undergrowth mixed with crab apple trees, green briars, and blowdowns. Now the fun begins, you have to figure out a way to bump them up and get them moving in the direction that you want without having them run for the hills. Try playing mind games with a deer once and you tell me how easy it is to outsmart one. We usually just let our smell and the sound of us walking bump the deer as it keeps them from moving too fast. Now, that deer has infinit escape routes and you gotta hope that he takes one past a poster, and even then it isn't a gimmie, that deer has to be moving slow enough to identify as a legal deer and to make a safe and ethical shot. Simply put, it isn't a gimmie as you are trying to portray it. Later on I will take my digital camera out on my quad ride and get some pictures of my property and I will post them. I want you to tell me how to hunt this property without doing a deer drive.
07-03-2007, 10:30 AM
#52
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Join Date: Jun 2007
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Posts: 55
RE: deer driving
its against the law to hunt with a rifle here in indiana, and yes pll around here do surround the area they are driving , no ecsape route . but I do understand were u r coming from. its ok for managment around here but not for sport. they use shotguns around here
07-03-2007, 10:39 AM
#53
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Todd County, Minnesota
Posts: 348
RE: deer driving
ORIGINAL: Buck Magnet
Come to Pennsylvania during rifle season some time and try finding some private property to hunt. Most of the private property that people allow hunters on will have many more hunters on it. After the first morning of season the deer just don't move on their own. Why? Well, they had over a million hunters in the woods for that first day across the state, the deer pick up on that pretty quick.
Lonewolf, what type of rifle hunting do you after the first day of season? Do you sit in a stand and just hope and pray that something will come by? If thats the case, chances are those deer that are comming past you are on their feet because of a deer drive.
As far as how "sporting" it is, you are looking at things in way to simple of a scheme. You simply believe that guys surround the woods, drive through and all the deer run right out to a guy waiting to shoot them. This can't be further from the truth. No matter how much time we spend in the woods we will never have the knowledge of the terrain that the deer do. I have been on alot of drives since I started hunting and it takes more knowledge of the deers habits and the land than setting up a good archery stand. First off, a good deer drive starts off with playing the wind. Usually the drivers will go in upwind and VERY slowly move through the woods towards the posters. Next you have to figure out exactly where the deer are, and in woods around here that could be anywhere as they are all thick undergrowth mixed with crab apple trees, green briars, and blowdowns. Now the fun begins, you have to figure out a way to bump them up and get them moving in the direction that you want without having them run for the hills. Try playing mind games with a deer once and you tell me how easy it is to outsmart one. We usually just let our smell and the sound of us walking bump the deer as it keeps them from moving too fast. Now, that deer has infinit escape routes and you gotta hope that he takes one past a poster, and even then it isn't a gimmie, that deer has to be moving slow enough to identify as a legal deer and to make a safe and ethical shot. Simply put, it isn't a gimmie as you are trying to portray it. Later on I will take my digital camera out on my quad ride and get some pictures of my property and I will post them. I want you to tell me how to hunt this property without doing a deer drive.
Come to Pennsylvania during rifle season some time and try finding some private property to hunt. Most of the private property that people allow hunters on will have many more hunters on it. After the first morning of season the deer just don't move on their own. Why? Well, they had over a million hunters in the woods for that first day across the state, the deer pick up on that pretty quick.
Lonewolf, what type of rifle hunting do you after the first day of season? Do you sit in a stand and just hope and pray that something will come by? If thats the case, chances are those deer that are comming past you are on their feet because of a deer drive.
As far as how "sporting" it is, you are looking at things in way to simple of a scheme. You simply believe that guys surround the woods, drive through and all the deer run right out to a guy waiting to shoot them. This can't be further from the truth. No matter how much time we spend in the woods we will never have the knowledge of the terrain that the deer do. I have been on alot of drives since I started hunting and it takes more knowledge of the deers habits and the land than setting up a good archery stand. First off, a good deer drive starts off with playing the wind. Usually the drivers will go in upwind and VERY slowly move through the woods towards the posters. Next you have to figure out exactly where the deer are, and in woods around here that could be anywhere as they are all thick undergrowth mixed with crab apple trees, green briars, and blowdowns. Now the fun begins, you have to figure out a way to bump them up and get them moving in the direction that you want without having them run for the hills. Try playing mind games with a deer once and you tell me how easy it is to outsmart one. We usually just let our smell and the sound of us walking bump the deer as it keeps them from moving too fast. Now, that deer has infinit escape routes and you gotta hope that he takes one past a poster, and even then it isn't a gimmie, that deer has to be moving slow enough to identify as a legal deer and to make a safe and ethical shot. Simply put, it isn't a gimmie as you are trying to portray it. Later on I will take my digital camera out on my quad ride and get some pictures of my property and I will post them. I want you to tell me how to hunt this property without doing a deer drive.
J.K. I agree with ya
07-03-2007, 10:51 AM
#54
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Phoenixville, PA USA
Posts: 5,541
RE: deer driving
Drives can and are effectively used for bowhunting. In fact, if it wasn't for driving deer I may never have found the love that I have for bowhunting. That is how I cut my teeth in the sport many years ago. That is how I learned about bedding areas, escape trails, primary rub lines, scrape lines, and how topography affects movement. We killed a lot of deer doing drives with bows, so it is effective if done properly. I currently do not employ this tactic with a bow, but I'm thankful for it and what I've learned from it.
As far as it not being sporting, that is just a matter of opinion. In my experience even if there was an island of cover that held deer and it was surrounded on all sides and driven, I would being willing to bet lots of money that some of the deer in that cover would escape. I think you are giving us hunters more credit than we deserve.
As far as it not being sporting, that is just a matter of opinion. In my experience even if there was an island of cover that held deer and it was surrounded on all sides and driven, I would being willing to bet lots of money that some of the deer in that cover would escape. I think you are giving us hunters more credit than we deserve.
07-03-2007, 11:01 AM
#55
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RE: deer driving
I asked for opinions but wasnt expecting to get only positive opinions bear, but I didnt ask for ppl to pick a fight saying things what u alll thought of mine, I wouldnt have asked if i knew ppl were gonna act this way.
07-03-2007, 11:05 AM
#56
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RE: deer driving
[quote]ORIGINAL: lonewolf316
I asked for opinions but wasnt expecting to get only positive opinions bear, but I didnt ask for ppl to pick a fight saying things what u alll thought of mine, I wouldnt have asked if i knew ppl were gonna act this way.
I understand in some areas it is the only way to hunt but around its 3 guys shooting at the same deer.
I asked for opinions but wasnt expecting to get only positive opinions bear, but I didnt ask for ppl to pick a fight saying things what u alll thought of mine, I wouldnt have asked if i knew ppl were gonna act this way.
I understand in some areas it is the only way to hunt but around its 3 guys shooting at the same deer.
