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RE: Just got invited on a "management" hunt.
Gus:
Let me explain it clearly. I'm not on the fence about anything, now. I stated (and quoted) THREE instances where I said I wouldn't go if it interefered with what I had to do, here (thinning does). The family will get a lion's share (i.e. whatever they want) of the does I take. I have no access to deer the size the outfitter has.....and I wouldn't invite just any yahoo into the woods I hunt. I don't offer my woods to many.....and I wouldn't bring a business client in to hunt with me. If the man that lives across the street from me said he had too many steers.....and he wanted me to come and kill one of them....and I thought the family could use the meat........I'd go kill the steer. If he told me I had to sit in a treestand and shoot it.....I'd still probably go get them some free meat. Call me Satan.......the "anti-hunter" or whatever....I'm telling you what I'd do. |
RE: Just got invited on a "management" hunt.
Jeff,
I've followed this thread and I'm kind of with Gus... I don't see why it would be okay to take a doe and not a buck. My values are mine and mine alone, but I wouldn't pay for a high fence hunt. I don't believe that I can "buy" a trophy. In my opinion, it has to be earned. To me, climbing intoa box stand overlooking a spot where the captive heard is sure to arrive would be no different than walking to the pasture and droppinga cow to take to the processing plant. What I mean is this: I wouldn't pay for the privilege of taking a captive deer, but I love venison, and if someone wants to give me one for free, and I can go shoot it as a bonus, count me in. Doe, Buck.... I don't care. But I don't consider it "hunting" and I would never consider it a trophy. |
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My values are mine and mine alone, but I wouldn't pay for a high fence hunt. I don't believe that I can "buy" a trophy. In my opinion, it has to be earned. To me, climbing intoa box stand overlooking a spot where the captive heard is sure to arrive would be no different than walking to the pasture and droppinga cow to take to the processing plant. What I mean is this: I wouldn't pay for the privilege of taking a captive deer, but I love venison, and if someone wants to give me one for free, and I can go shoot it as a bonus, count me in. Doe, Buck.... I don't care. But I don't consider it "hunting" and I would never consider it a trophy. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Gus: Let me explain it clearly. I'm not on the fence about anything, now. I stated (and quoted) THREE instances where I said I wouldn't go if it interefered with what I had to do, here (thinning does). The family will get a lion's share (i.e. whatever they want) of the does I take. I have no access to deer the size the outfitter has.....and I wouldn't invite just any yahoo into the woods I hunt. I don't offer my woods to many.....and I wouldn't bring a business client in to hunt with me. If the man that lives across the street from me said he had too many steers.....and he wanted me to come and kill one of them....and I thought the family could use the meat........I'd go kill the steer. If he told me I had to sit in a treestand and shoot it.....I'd still probably go get them some free meat. Call me Satan.......the "anti-hunter" or whatever....I'm telling you what I'd do. |
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I honestly HADN'T ever thought about it.
But if my neighbor said he wanted me to stalk the damned thing and shoot it....I probably would. I just wouldn't be on here telling my story about what an awesome "hunt" it was. There's a difference between hunting and killing. I love hunting. I'd kill an animal for the right reason. I'd sleep just fine. |
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Jeff I can't believe that this thread is still going on. Go shoot a doe or buck or whatever he wants you to shoot with a clear mind and a open heart, you're not doing anything wrong. And if you're afraid that you might get lonely on the trip call me and we'll both go kill something and have a ball doing it.;)
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RE: Just got invited on a "management" hunt.
Call me Satan.......the "anti-hunter" or whatever....I'm telling you what I'd do Jeff, I'm not calling you anything. I was curious as to whyshooting a doe is any different than shooting a buck in a fenced area as some have eluded to on here,and if youhave that many does to kill on you own land, why even go in the first place? By posting this "would you do it type thread" I assumed that you were on the fence and looking for opinions. It looks like you have made up your mind. Good luck. |
RE: Just got invited on a "management" hunt.
gut:
When I first started deer hunting....It bothered the hell out of when people would question something about the way I hunted. It bothers me less and less, now....and I actually have fun with it (check my avatar!). I tell everyone I basically don't consider it hunting.......I'll take no pride in it....and that I'll only go if things are taken care of here at home. LOL....it's not enough.:D |
RE: Just got invited on a "management" hunt.
GUS:
Are you KIDDING ME? I said on several occasions.....(even quoted it for you 3 times in one post) that I WOULD NOT GO if it conflicted with me taking care of thinning does right here at home. I was on the fence when I first posted it. I said way back there what I was going to do, though....and you're right...I no longer am on the fence. |
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And why is shooting a doe any different???
I don't know that it is, really. If he had too many bucks I'd probably shoot one of them for him. In NEITHER case would I come back here and tout what a great "hunt" it was, though. So...when it comes right down to it.....there is NO difference. |
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GUS: Are you KIDDING ME? I said on several occasions.....(even quoted it for you 3 times in one post) that I WOULD NOT GO if it conflicted with me taking care of thinning does right here at home. I am asking why would you go for the meat when you have so much there at home and if you are not going to tell the "trophy story" then why not kill a buck and get you some nice rattling antlers? Why is OK to kill a fenced doe in your mind and not a buck if you are not pretenting it's a trophy? |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Not sure what you're asking, Bawana. Would I ask my father to go with me on a canned hunt? I spent some time yesterday with mine , the one that taught me to hunt and about the outdoors. I can't evenimagine what he would think of me for evenconsidering such a thing. I was taught to have the greatest of respect for the animals we take and even more about how we take them. There is a part of you that feels as I do or you would have no problem shooting abuck and showingit off. Time has changed allot of things in our life times and I guess this must be one of them. Like men coloring their hair,women with tattoos & sixteen year old pregnant girls ,things that were not around when I was taught to hunt & I don't see any good coming from allot of these changes. Well I asked this question to see if the age of a hunter has any thing to do with the decision to do something that was unheard of twenty years ago . |
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Gus...no offense...but last post on the subject...
The guy has access to deer that I don't. Some people (like maybe my client???) like the idea of the chance at a big deer....and they don't really care bout the fence thing that we (me included) can be hung up on. The people I donate meat to could probaly eat a deer in a couple of weeks. We go through it pretty fast around my house with 3 mouths. They have FOURTEEN.They'll eat every pound I take them. Again...I'll kill anything he tells me he needs killing. If he has too many bucks...I'll take one of them. It is what it is. Why is it OK to kill ANY ANIMAL you intend to eat? Why is the man taking his steer downto the abbatoir not getting the 3rd degree from people? He never claimed a glory story or that he was "hunting" either. He killed a steer. There is a part of you that feels as I do or you would have no problem shooting abuck and showingit off. Time has changed allot of things in our life times and I guess this must be one of them. Like men coloring their hair,women with tattoos & sixteen year old pregnant girls ,things that were not around when I was taught to hunt & I don't see any good coming from allot of these changes. So Again.....someone's gonna give you some venison that you know a family can use......and the only catch is....you gotta shoot the deer. Yousay no. OK. Iwon't question your thought process. |
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ORIGINAL: markj Are we back on this!? GMMAT I guess you are a low-life. I would be also if I got this deal. I am38. Does that make a difference. Jim I don't see where that is relevant. Are you saying when GMMAT and Iare both 50we will not be sell-outs anymore? :D (sorry if you are 50) |
RE: Just got invited on a "management" hunt.
Gus...no offense...but last post on the subject... Why is it OK to kill ANY ANIMAL you intend to eat? Why is the man taking his steer downto the abbatoir not getting the 3rd degree from people? He never claimed a glory story or that he was "hunting" either. He killed a steer The fence and the deer are the problem. As you had mentioned many times before, you go to great lengths to advance the sport of bowhunting. ie; calling it harvesting rather than killing and not showing blood and guts in pics to the non hunters for fear of offending them. However you have justified shootinga fenced wild animal because it's simply "grocery shopping". How would those same people (that you fear offending) thinkof a hunter shooting a fenced deer..... doe or buck? When you have to use the old "steer anology" to justify your means of hunting your argument is weak IMO. I'm sorry Jeff, but they are not the same. Have a good one! |
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Gus that's not fair. I also said I wouldn't call it "hunting".
I wouldn't. It isn't. It's killing. Period. |
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Time has changed allot of things in our life times and I guess this must be one of them. Like men coloring their hair,women with tattoos & sixteen year old pregnant girls ,things that were not around when I was taught to hunt & I don't see any good coming from allot of these changes. |
RE: Just got invited on a "management" hunt.
This is getting ridiculous now (as mentioned). It iscertain you are going correct. Period.
We can all admit it, we like shootinganimals with a bow. It is not a survival primative thing for us any longer. For whatever reason we all like to make the shot and watch them bleed, run out a ways andget dizzy, and drop. Go put our hands on them and know we won and succeeded. Heck I even get a little emotional. Morbid? Not in my opinion. I cant believe you guys are still trying to convince someone they are wrong on this. He is not rejecting Jesus Christ! He is shooting a deer somewhere else other than free-ranging in the wild. The guy is going with a good conscience. End of story. |
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Damn guys let it go already..He asked your opinion.
Whether you agree, or not is not the point. He didn't ask you to brow beat him to death. He asked a question. You answerred it..Your cause is worthy and so is his ....A man can ask for an opinion on an issue he's iffy on. Some insight, might help him see more clearly and steer him one way or another. A brash and hurtful tone will steer him the other way... You're trying to bring family, upbringing and other BS into this..making it a personal and family attack... Hell if that's the way we are heading load up the arrows Jeff, I'll come with you and we'll whack all them penned up sucka's. He asked you (we)answerred....done deal !!! |
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ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d Damn guys let it go already..He asked your opinion. Whether you agree, or not is not the point. He didn't ask you to brow beat him to death. He asked a question. You answerred it..Your cause is worthy and so is his ....A man can ask for an opinion on an issue he's iffy on. Some insight, might help him see more clearly and steer him one way or another. A brash and hurtful tone will steer him the other way... You're trying to bring family, upbringing and other BS into this..making it a personal and family attack... Hell if that's the way we are heading load up the arrows Jeff, I'll come with you and we'll whack all them penned up sucka's. He asked you (we)answerred....done deal !!! |
RE: Just got invited on a "management" hunt.
Wow, a lot to chew on in this thread.
I'd go and kill a doe for the guy as he asked, then I'd spend the rest of the time on stand with a camera trying to get some nice shots of deer for my basement. It's not a hunt, but as you said you will get to see and be close to deer that you normally wouldn't have an opportunity to see. That would be cool. Heck, I like to go to the farm by my house and look at Duke, the fenced in buck there and get pictures of him. I love looking at deer, simple as that. I'd like to go see Mt. Rushmore too, but that doesn't mean I'd shoot it, and that's not even behind a high fence.;) |
RE: Just got invited on a "management" hunt.
Jeff,
As you have stated,you have many things that need to be taken into consideration before you accept or decline this offer, some of which are work related and you will probably need to tread lightly no matter what you decide. Being a small business owner, I can understand and relate to what you have going on, good luck with your choice ifthings align and you are indeed presented with one. That being said, I would probably be as tactfull as possible and politely refuse the offer. For me, hunting is not about the size of the animal taken but the adventure itself. I am looking at this not just from a Whitetail perspective but from an overall hunting perspective that being many different types of game. I simplyprefer to hunt an animal that is as free ranging and"wild"as the situation allows it to be meaning nothing doneby man with the express intent to make hunting that particular animal easier. I know of situations where urban development has done this but again it's a by-product and not done with the intent to make hunting easier. We take what we can and in some areas/states "urban Hunting" is all that is available, I have no problem with that. From what you have posted, it sounds like you have a good thing going where you live. If there comes a time when you feel the need to hunt a 140"+ Whitetails I think there are better options and hunts to go on that will still leave you with a true sence of accomplishment and pride after the shooting is done. Again, Good luck. |
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Jeff, I dont understand why you wouldnt go if it interfered with you work in "your woods"? What do you mean by this? do you mean your "Job" that you work or your hunting career. several days that you dont go out isnt going to make that much of a difference. Deer are always in the woods, it's not like they're only going to be there while your gone.
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RE: Just got invited on a "management" hunt.
squirrel:
I NEED to take several (10+) does out of the herd I hunt, this year. If I'm hunting somewehere else.....I'm not doing what I need to do, here. To me....that would be selfish. I hope that makes it clear. |
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NEED to take several (10+) does out of the herd I hunt, this year. Sorry, but I think you're lucky. So far, the only places I have lined up to hunt I can take one antlerless deer with a bow. With firearms, no does allowed. I sure wish I was facingthe delimmas of some of you more lucky ones. |
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ORIGINAL: BigJ12 Jeff, As you have stated,you have many things that need to be taken into consideration before you accept or decline this offer, some of which are work related and you will probably need to tread lightly no matter what you decide. Being a small business owner, I can understand and relate to what you have going on, good luck with your choice ifthings align and you are indeed presented with one. That being said, I would probably be as tactfull as possible and politely refuse the offer. For me, hunting is not about the size of the animal taken but the adventure itself. I am looking at this not just from a Whitetail perspective but from an overall hunting perspective that being many different types of game. I simplyprefer to hunt an animal that is as free ranging and"wild"as the situation allows it to be meaning nothing doneby man with the express intent to make hunting that particular animal easier. I know of situations where urban development has done this but again it's a by-product and not done with the intent to make hunting easier. We take what we can and in some areas/states "urban Hunting" is all that is available, I have no problem with that. From what you have posted, it sounds like you have a good thing going where you live. If there comes a time when you feel the need to hunt a 140"+ Whitetails I think there are better options and hunts to go on that will still leave you with a true sence of accomplishment and pride after the shooting is done. Again, Good luck. |
RE: Just got invited on a "management" hunt.
ORIGINAL: BigJ12 Jeff, As you have stated,you have many things that need to be taken into consideration before you accept or decline this offer, some of which are work related and you will probably need to tread lightly no matter what you decide. Being a small business owner, I can understand and relate to what you have going on, good luck with your choice ifthings align and you are indeed presented with one. That being said, I would probably be as tactfull as possible and politely refuse the offer. For me, hunting is not about the size of the animal taken but the adventure itself. I am looking at this not just from a Whitetail perspective but from an overall hunting perspective that being many different types of game. I simplyprefer to hunt an animal that is as free ranging and"wild"as the situation allows it to be meaning nothing doneby man with the express intent to make hunting that particular animal easier. I know of situations where urban development has done this but again it's a by-product and not done with the intent to make hunting easier. We take what we can and in some areas/states "urban Hunting" is all that is available, I have no problem with that. From what you have posted, it sounds like you have a good thing going where you live. If there comes a time when you feel the need to hunt a 140"+ Whitetails I think there are better options and hunts to go on that will still leave you with a true sence of accomplishment and pride after the shooting is done. Again, Good luck. |
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Again...
I'm not going "to shoot a big deer". I never claimed I'd be proud of taking a doe. I said I "would". It is what it is......and I feel like a broken record having to repeat it. |
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This thread is too funny. Realistically speaking, how much land do you hunt? Let's say it's 200 hundred acres and further lets say that there are 100 deer there, now let's look at the possible scenario on this hunt.... What if it's 1000 acres and there are 500 deer in this enclosure and it is fully wooded with the exception of (10) 5 acre food plots, how is it any different than what you are currently hunting?? One of the places I hunt is a 20 acre tract between 2 subdivisions that is completely overrun with deer, I have seen as amany as 28 deer at one sitting, is it less of a hunt than hunting 10,000 acres? You guys need to get off your high horse and look at what the situation is.
Jeff - you and I know each other, if barely, but would it be any different than having 20 does in front of you here or there? Go and see things first, then make your decision. If you ever get the chance to hunt Africa, 75% or better are fenced hunts, plain and simple, does it make the trophy less because it's 10,000 acres fenced? Go and enjoy. Look at bear hunting and baiting. Some of you guys have a big problem with baiting deer but see nothing wrong with baiting bear. Some traditional bow hunters have a problem with compound bow and compound bow hunters have a problem with crossbow hunters...... The list goes on and on. Get off your high horse and realize that as long as it's legal and fits within your OWN moral standards, go for it. |
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nc....
Only thing bothering me is having to explain myself OVER and OVER again.....every time someone tells me why I shouldn't be doing what I've already said (time and time again) I'm NOT doing. I wouldn't look at this any differently than I would coming down to your house to slaughter hogs. And yes....if you asked me...I would.....especially if you were gonna give me the meat (to do whatever I deemed appropriate with). I don't think I can (or could have) been ANY clearer on this. Actually....I'm done. |
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You're exactly right. I don't think you should have had to explain yourself. Anyone that knows you, knows that you have a high moral standard, higher than myself probably, and I hope that you didn't read anything into my post cause I didn't mean it toward you but towards the holier than thou attitudes. I think that given the opp. I would have already packed. Let me know how the doe harvest goes, I may want to get a cape from you, they make great looking mounts.
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nc.....you can have all the hides I shoot this year. I'll work a deal if you'll mount me one!....lol
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RE: Just got invited on a "management" hunt.
Jeff, you've made YOUR decision. No need to explain anything after that. Anything else that would be said would be in regards to the decision someone else would make.
Yours is already made, no worries. Just bring back some good pics to share with us.;) |
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