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Business is business..I wouldn't let that make 1 bit of difference. Jeff, to put that aspect into place, Imgaine you play in a scramble with this guy cuz he's a Client. He gets wind that -12 is leading, as the cards are being turned in he tells you: "hey Jeff mark us down for a 3 on eighteen".."you say we made a par..4." He says, "we can win with a 3"..does business change your values? I know the answer ;)

Go if you want to..there probably isn't a season or a license involved... In fact you can probably get a picture of "your" buck in advance.

As for my buddy bawanna...What's your opinion of Veal?????

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I'm with Hunsucker 100%

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Hey I said a polite no;)

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Now this guy works for ME......but as a GC...I've learned through the years that our subcontractors ARE more important to us...than we are to them. I stand to lose nothing, business-wise, if I don't go. I don't want to paint the wrong picture, here.

He's offering this as a gesture. He won't be offended if I decline. I don't want to pass this off as something I "NEED" to do.

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I would at least go. I don't know if I would take a buck though, it would depend on what the environment was like. If it was thousands of acres fenced as many are and the deer were just as wild as the deer you and I normally hunt I may take a buck if I really had to work for it. If it felt like a fenced operation pendeer shootthough I would take a doe or two just to help him with that part and take the opportunity to just observe some great bucks. I would look at the doe shooting in that situation as "interactive grocery shopping". My family slaughters farm raised beef, pork, and lamb every year as a business, and if it was a penned hunt I would see no difference in taking an animal for food, I would not feel right though taking one for trophy.

Heck, even if they are behind a fence I still like to watch big bucks, there is a deer farm that raises deer for making urine scents near my place in PA and every time I am there I drive by slowly and just stare at the monster bucks in that pen, they are still cool to observe.

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Well put!

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GM.....if it were me MO would be no...but that is because i hunt for meat....unless i know of someone who will eat it and it will not go to waste...

i am sure you will make a well thought out decision

just keep the members who's opinions are negative out of your thought process (bawanajim)

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I don't like veal I don't think its right but I don't eat Susi either. ;)

I have a problem with anyone portraying this as a "hunt", there is no hunting involved.
It embarrassing to listen to some speak as if this is some form of entertainment ,this is exactly what the anti's speak of when trying to end hunting.That we do it for the love of killing . I don't love to kill but it is part of the hunting that I do love.
This is nothing but killing , and I have killeddozens cows & a whole pile of pigs also. I killed them , I didn't hunt them or manage them , I killed them to be eaten .Thats is exactly what this is ,do not be mistaken.[:o]

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Well we agree on that issue..I was truely just curious. Thanks

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I thought you were a Z.Z. Top fan...........;)

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Just remember guys, we did a poll a while back, and given the right set of circumstances, 85% of you admitted that you would hunt deer inside a high fenceenclosure.

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Come on really You cando better than that can't you. If you need help P.M . Quick he'll help you out. :D

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I dont remember that poll (or participating in it anyway) but very good point!...

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Jeff, what is the downside here? You could always choose not to shoot anything....keeps you in good graces with your business partner, get to see some new timber, maybe see a monster. You have said yourself that killing isn't the important part.....just go and take it all in. Could be fun...and you could always use the "I missed" card.[8D]

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JNURK I do not think he is being rude.

Hell I told the owner of my company 3 times yesterday I do not want any jello shots(golf outing). I do not drink the fourth time I was not so polite and he got the point;)

Principles are Princlpes and I am sorry if I want to go see a big deer I will go to deer farm like RJ and look. Killing one inside a fence is just does not sit well with me. Do I hold any ill will towards anyones else who does, NOPE. It is their choice;)

Also the guys choice to fence in his land I support 100% land owner rights.

Hey quick I voted no;)

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I'm a fan of many things..and as per your quote ..the closest bar to our Camp just happens to be the "Dew Drop Inn"

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That is really sad , and many of you need to take a serious look in the mirror as to why you hunt in the first place ,maybe you would find golf moreto your liking.

But I do feel good about being in the top 12 %.

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Here it is, Mike. "Ethics Police"- 88% of voters said they'd hunt inside the fence. Almost 100 votes, so we had a pretty big sample.

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2103634&mpage=1&key=&#210363 4

...and Jeff - I'd go if I were you. Nothing to lose.

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Been there.

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Thats hard to believe. Of course all cercumstances are different...

But, like others have said, It still would be a blast to see some great whitetails. Maybe take a camera with you Jeff an get some good stills/video of some monsters to share with us :Dand get yourself a doe while your at it....

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Again, we're on the same page.

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I don't see it as that big a deal either way. If you don't want to go, you can always use scheduling conflict as an excuse. If you go, you'll more than likely have a decent time just hanging out in the woods and staying at the lodging accomodations. You aren't going to view it as some spectacular hunting outing, just more like a little"in-depth" grocery shopping.

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Id go for the experience alone, if it turned out that you'd have the opportunity to take a nice management buck I'd do that too. While it might score higher than your "bull" the bull is a better trophey in my book. But it doesnt mean you cant shoot another deer. If you think it would take something from your "bull" then dont, but I dont see how its gonna hurt anything, and how often will you have the opportunity to shoot a 140".

As far as the fence thing goes, Like matt said, if its 1000's of acres then its different. Sometimes these outtfitters have to fence in so they can manage the herd cause the neighbors dont hunt the same way. Im not ashamed of that. Now if the deer are let out of a cage for you to shoot then thats different. But from what i gather this could be low fence operation, otherwise why would they have managment bucks??

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A good friend of my dad's owns a high-fence operation, 1300 acres, and they do management hunts. There are bucks that just aren't going to get to be giants, not matter how old they are. That's probably what this hunt is going to be. He has some amazing genetics to draw from, but you also have to have does with good genetics to produce true giants, so some bucks just don't ever get to be B&C.

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Guys....I appreciate your responses and views...I really do.

When I went to lunch.....I got to talk to two people I really trust.....My wife...and Rob/PA. Rob gave me his opinion....and my wife came up with a great idea.

I'm gonna do it.....on one condition. it's afree management hunt to my subcontractor....either way he looks at it (buck and doe). I'm gonna see if I can take one of my clients (people I build for)......and I'll pay the expenses (meals and extra camp-related things). he can take whatever weapon he wants to.....I'll take my bow. he shoots his buck.....I'll take a doe...and donate the meat. Win/Win/Win scenario.

If it doesn't interfere with MY work, here (in my woods)....that's what I'll propose. I wouldn't trade my buck from last year for any buck inside that fence......nor would I cherish any of them over the one I want and have right here in my woods.

And I wouldn't look at any of you any differently if you disagreed wth me. I sincerely appreciate ALL the responses. You guys didn't judge ME. It is appreciated.

Have a great weekend, guys.

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And yes.....if I go....I'll take my video camera. it should make for some AMAZING video....if his place is "as advertised".

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Thats all i ask! :D;)

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sounds like a wise choice.......

GERM...for the record he is being rude....for him to come on once and say he doesn't approve is fine...for him to make 6 plus comments of his opinion, is IMO uncalled for....it is not a contest to see how many times you can reply on the topic...

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Well lets see. Uuuuuhhhhh..................YES!

Ireconsider personal limitationswhen FREE!

edit:referring to my personalwillingness to pay for something like this and be proud of itlimitations. My nads needed me toclear this up a little. ;) Sorry.

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So I'm guessing you ride a Honda and your woman is gravitationally challenged since you seem to have no problems with canned hunting??????????




Oops did I say that out loud.......................

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Ok now your just being rude, sorry JNTURK

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Oh boy Jim. Where is this written in law? Simmer down Frances.
No smiley.

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Sounds like you are making a well thought out decision, and if it doesn't work out that you can go give me a call I'll be willing to help your buddy out.[8D]

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Here is where I am confused.
For those who said yes I would go

Would you pay to go into a fence in Place? If not than it being free makes what difference? Is it the cost that is what keeps you from going or is it ethical reasons? If it is ethical I do not understand why when it is free some will go.

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I'd be interested on a redo of that poll...doubt seriously that the results would be the same. I also have difficulty calling this a "hunt". As far as business goes, it has nothing to do with ethics...you can't compromise what you think is right for a buck (meaning a dollar). Having said that, I still wouldn't judge you either way...personal decision. Then again, I wouldn't mount it and I sure wouldn't want anyone taping it...the anti's have enough ammunition as it is.

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And I was being rude I was called out by name . A question was asked and I answered it truthfully.

If addressed personally I will respond the same.

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If i had the offer i would take it. You dont get a chance like that often.

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bawanajim. deleted comment. sorry, little uncalled for.

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and you wonder why you get a chilly reception???

Void of personal accountability? If the price is right ??