I am not questioning that Jeff. I understand that you want to take care of the does on your land and that you won't let this trip get in the way.

I am asking why would you go for the meat when you have so much there at home and if you are not going to tell the "trophy story" then why not kill a buck and get you some nice rattling antlers? Why is OK to kill a fenced doe in your mind and not a buck if you are not pretenting it's a trophy?

I am sorry to hear about your father.

I spent some time yesterday with mine , the one that taught me to hunt and about the outdoors. I can't evenimagine what he would think of me for evenconsidering such a thing. I was taught to have the greatest of respect for the animals we take and even more about how we take them.
There is a part of you that feels as I do or you would have no problem shooting abuck and showingit off.

Time has changed allot of things in our life times and I guess this must be one of them. Like men coloring their hair,women with tattoos & sixteen year old pregnant girls ,things that were not around when I was taught to hunt & I don't see any good coming from allot of these changes.

Well I asked this question to see if the age of a hunter has any thing to do with the decision to do something that was unheard of twenty years ago .

Gus...no offense...but last post on the subject...

The guy has access to deer that I don't. Some people (like maybe my client???) like the idea of the chance at a big deer....and they don't really care bout the fence thing that we (me included) can be hung up on.

The people I donate meat to could probaly eat a deer in a couple of weeks. We go through it pretty fast around my house with 3 mouths. They have FOURTEEN.They'll eat every pound I take them.

Again...I'll kill anything he tells me he needs killing. If he has too many bucks...I'll take one of them. It is what it is.

Why is it OK to kill ANY ANIMAL you intend to eat? Why is the man taking his steer downto the abbatoir not getting the 3rd degree from people? He never claimed a glory story or that he was "hunting" either. He killed a steer.

I admitted that.

I don't color my hair.....but I know some EXTREMELY sexy women with tattoos......and if my girlfriend and I hadn't been careful....she'd have been one of your statistics. We both turned out just fine ('cept for me being apet deerkiller and all....).

So Again.....someone's gonna give you some venison that you know a family can use......and the only catch is....you gotta shoot the deer. Yousay no.

OK. Iwon't question your thought process.

The question was if you would ask your father to go................

Fair enough, but I'll answer your question.

My question is not centered around the eating of the animal. That's the least we can do if we kill it IMO.

The fence and the deer are the problem. As you had mentioned many times before, you go to great lengths to advance the sport of bowhunting. ie; calling it harvesting rather than killing and not showing blood and guts in pics to the non hunters for fear of offending them. However you have justified shootinga fenced wild animal because it's simply "grocery shopping". How would those same people (that you fear offending) thinkof a hunter shooting a fenced deer..... doe or buck?

When you have to use the old "steer anology" to justify your means of hunting your argument is weak IMO. I'm sorry Jeff, but they are not the same.

Have a good one!

Gus that's not fair. I also said I wouldn't call it "hunting".

I wouldn't. It isn't.

It's killing. Period.

I'm with you there, Jim. As to the age of some of us, you only have me by 5 years. I've seen a lot of changes that I can't believe. I wish my Dad were still alive so that I could spend time with him. If he were, and I were in GMMAT's shoes, then yes, I'd ask him to go. I believe that my Dad was level headed enough that he would view this trip for exactly what it would be. Not hunting wild animals on thier own turf, but harvesting a farm raised animal, same as any other.

This is getting ridiculous now (as mentioned). It iscertain you are going correct. Period.

We can all admit it, we like shootinganimals with a bow. It is not a survival primative thing for us any longer. For whatever reason we all like to make the shot and watch them bleed, run out a ways andget dizzy, and drop. Go put our hands on them and know we won and succeeded. Heck I even get a little emotional. Morbid? Not in my opinion.

I cant believe you guys are still trying to convince someone they are wrong on this. He is not rejecting Jesus Christ! He is shooting a deer somewhere else other than free-ranging in the wild.

The guy is going with a good conscience. End of story.

Damn guys let it go already..He asked your opinion.

Whether you agree, or not is not the point. He didn't ask you to brow beat him to death. He asked a question.

You answerred it..Your cause is worthy and so is his ....A man can ask for an opinion on an issue he's iffy on. Some insight, might help him see more clearly and steer him one way or another. A brash and hurtful tone will steer him the other way... You're trying to bring family, upbringing and other BS into this..making it a personal and family attack... Hell if that's the way we are heading load up the arrows Jeff, I'll come with you and we'll whack all them penned up sucka's.

He asked you (we)answerred....done deal !!!

Agreed...not sure I'd ultimately reach the same decision he will, but I respect the heck out of the fact that opened his hunting life up for scrutiny and was willing to graciously entertain everyone's opinions. Best regards.