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Someone I know......
Someone I know.........his son shot a fox, last night,.....out of season.
He called me and asked me what to do to preserve it for mounting. I'm no fox lover.....nor a hater.....but this gets to me a "little". I told him if I ever heard of it, again......I'd turn him in. I won't this time, though.....because he's a friend.....and I'm trying to find the REAL harm in it. I actually blame dad more than son for allowing him access to the firearm to complete this "task". I'm a LOT "ticked" at dad, though. |
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I think that you did fairly well,if he is a friend, with letting him know that you would turn him in if you hear aboutthe same thingagain.
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1. a fox fur at this time of year isn't very good at all.
2. 'round here a taxidermist usually makes sure one is properly licensedand the season is in when getting something like that done. I can see how that would bother you. I'd be quite ticked too. |
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Yeah....but the taxi don't always know when an animal was taken. A man could freeze an animal for (__________) and no one would be the wiser.
Yeah I'm ticked. BUT.....I'm not ticked enough to get a friend's kid in hot water. I think he got the point. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Yeah....but the taxi don't always know when an animal was taken. A man could freeze an animal for (__________) and no one would be the wiser. Yeah I'm ticked. BUT.....I'm not ticked enough to get a friend's kid in hot water. I think he got the point. |
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If the taxi knows anything about furbearers, he should be able to tell it was not taken during the season and should refuse to mount it. He could get in as much trouble as the taker if he is not careful of his record keeping.
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You did well. I can't wait for the taxidermist to check his license!
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I agree with Jim, taxi should be able to tell buy the condition of the hide it was taken at the wrong time of year no matter when he receives it. You might want to tell your friend that also if you want to keephim out of trouble. On second thought I would let him find out himself.
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Trust me, any taxidermist will know.
Taxidermists always check the condition of hides, fur, skin, etc... They need to to be sure the hide will tan properly. Taxidermists see plenty of legal animal hidesto know when something looks different. It is VERY easy to tell if a fox was shot in the Summer or Winter. Fur will either be prime or not. I use to trap I was a kid. the fur dealers always knew if a fox was taken early in the season or later by how prime it was. Spring/Summer fox will look skinny and fur thinner. Late Fall/Winter fox will have longer, thicker fur and thicker bushier tail. |
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It was wrong indeed.
freezing but wrapped good in trashbags will preserve it for a time. the coat is going to have thinner summer hair, the taxi will know. Its ashame especially if its a female this time of year, they have there new litter of kits running around right now. we get to watch new litters every year just 200 yards from my house. seen a couple newbys several days ago playing around. What ashame!! |
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yet call me an OUTLAW i dont see the harm in shooting a fox!!! there worthless,kill the little turkeys an rabbits... id rather see more rabbits an turkeys than a stupid fox.
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Was he in the hen-house?? Maybe it was justified if shot on a working farm??
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No GR8. Just "shot it".
We're ALL gonna have a little talk, soon. |
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tell him hes not helping the sport by promoting poching
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Well there are stipulations. Was the fox shot on his owned property?
If so most states do not require a license to shoot small game and small game can be hunted year round on private land as long its doen but the owner or anyone that resides on the property, such as family members. |
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If so most states do not require a license to shoot small game and small game can be hunted year round on private land as long its doen but the owner or anyone that resides on the property, such as family members. |
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I can empathize. I would also hate to rat out a friend.
I wouldn't give him any warnings though. If the taxiderist dropsa dime on him, you're not in the middle. |
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GMMAT,
That's a tough spot to be put in. I supposed I'd do the same thing if I were in your position, but I don't think I'd appreciate being put in the position in the first place. |
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ORIGINAL: MdDave yet call me an OUTLAW i dont see the harm in shooting a fox!!! there worthless,kill the little turkeys an rabbits... id rather see more rabbits an turkeys than a stupid fox. Jeff, good for you for trying to set the kid straight. Unfortunately, if it doesn't take he will just continue the action and just won't tell you about it. Good luck in approaching your talk with him and his dad. That will be a touchy and sensitive situation. As far as getting it mounted, I would ask the boy why he would want to mount a poached animal. Also, as others have said a taxidermist will be able to tell that the fox is out of its winter coat and may drop the dime on him anyway. I guess I just don't understand why someone would want to mount and remember something they killed illegally. |
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ORIGINAL: wis_bow_huntr Well there are stipulations. Was the fox shot on his owned property? If so most states do not require a license to shoot small game and small game can be hunted year round on private land as long its doen but the owner or anyone that resides on the property, such as family members. I think it is a shame. Fox live almost entirely on bugs and small rodents, not rabbits and turkeys. Rabbits and turkeys biggest predators are hawks and owls. Not that a fox wouldn't eat a rabbit, but it is far from a major part of their diet. Rabbits are pretty hard for a fox to catch you know. The kits around here are probably near old enough to take care of themselves. A few weeks ago we had one that the dogs had cornered in the barn. He looked to be 6-8 weeks old already. He suffered a flesh wound from them, but hopefully he made it. Fox is an animal I just really like. I think they are beautiful and fairly harmless when it comes to killing animals that I would rather see/hunt. |
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I don't have a problem with people killing foxes or any other animal.....as long as they do it, legally.
I'm taking a state regs handbook over there and we're going to ALL look at it. I guess I just don't understand why someone would want to mount and remember something they killed illegally. The more I think about this the more pissed I get. No one has even mentioned it,yet......and I hadn't thought of it until Lisa mentioned it to me last night. It was ALSO shot on a SUNDAY.....which is ILLEGAL here in NC. It just gets worse.[:@] |
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I suggest you not say anything more to him about it. I'm with you in that I would not want to be the guy to turn him in. But coming down on him is just going to convince him that the next time he should just keep quiet.
Maybe if he keeps running his mouth about it, he'll brag to someone who will turn him in. I'm a guy who supports abiding by the game laws even if you don't agree with 'em. That makes it fair for all of us. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT It was ALSO shot on a SUNDAY.....which is ILLEGAL here in NC. It just gets worse.[:@] |
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That is too bad. If I were him, I think I would get rid of it as fast as I could. For the condition the hide will be in, it isn't worth risking anything. I think you handled it correctly with your friendship and all.
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I'll tell you this, if I get a call like that, I call the warden. I have too much to loose with the taxidermy business and all. NC is tough about foxes!!! If he gets caught, let him know it's gonna cost him in the 4 figure range. We are only allowed to trap fox in like 5 counties in the entire state, NC likes their foxes. I hate the guy put you in this position.
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I'll tell you this, if I get a call like that, I call the warden. I have too much to loose with the taxidermy business and all. NC is tough about foxes!!! If he gets caught, let him know it's gonna cost him in the 4 figure range. We are only allowed to trap fox in like 5 counties in the entire state, NC likes their foxes. I hate the guy put you in this position. They're gonna get an earful (at least DAD is). Son needs to be taught. |
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I'm sure the Father knows how the son screwed up big time! If it were me I would let the Father have the talk with his son. Sure your are mad but this is more of a Father/Son situation than anything! I think the kid would get more out of it hearing how he screwed up coming from his Dad! JMO!
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You guys sound like The good Rev Al Sharpton and it was Don Imus that did the dirty deed. You all need to take a deep breath and calm your selves.
You have not mentioned how old the kid is ,and yes it does matter.I know times have changed but when I was a kid nothing was safe from me and my daisy. One time I got caught shooting a song bird and that was the end of my daisy & my sitting for a long time. If you want to explain to the father that you don't approve go ahead, but don't be surprised if he thinks that foxes are worth less predators that should be shot on sight.Most farmers do. When fur prices were high there were many trappers ,today there are few.And with this predator numbers have surged and the results are declining small game numbers.Some of us like grouse better than foxes. If you can find a good point about having foxes around maybe you will be able to convince him not to shoot them in the future. A goose hatched five gosling's on my pond last week as of last night they were all killed. I am not a fan of avian predators either! As for the law breaking part of it I am sure none of you speed on your way to work? Go ahead stone away!!!!!!!!!;) |
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ORIGINAL: bawanajim You guys sound like The good Rev Al Sharpton and it was Don Imus that did the dirty deed. You all need to take a deep breath and calm your selves. You have not mentioned how old the kid is ,and yes it does matter.I know times have changed but when I was a kid nothing was safe from me and my daisy. One time I got caught shooting a song bird and that was the end of my daisy & my sitting for a long time. If you want to explain to the father that you don't approve go ahead, but don't be surprised if he thinks that foxes are worth less predators that should be shot on sight.Most farmers do. When fur prices were high there were many trappers ,today there are few.And with this predator numbers have surged and the results are declining small game numbers.Some of us like grouse better than foxes. If you can find a good point about having foxes around maybe you will be able to convince him not to shoot them in the future. A goose hatched five gosling's on my pond last week as of last night they were all killed. I am not a fan of avian predators either! As for the law breaking part of it I am sure none of you speed on your way to work? Go ahead stone away!!!!!!!!!;) |
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As for the law breaking part of it I am sure none of you speed on your way to work? Drive safe, and Good Hunting! Kyle |
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I won't this time, though.....because he's a friend |
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As for the law breaking part of it I am sure none of you speed on your way to work? |
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ORIGINAL: BobCo19-65 As for the law breaking part of it I am sure none of you speed on your way to work? Or to pick his fights!!!!!!!!!![:'(] |
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I'm sure the Father knows how the son screwed up big time! If it were me I would let the Father have the talk with his son. Sure your are mad but this is more of a Father/Son situation than anything! I think the kid would get more out of it hearing how he screwed up coming from his Dad! JMO! I've hunted with this young man before.....and he's been at my house shooting bows. I'll have my own talk with him.....and I'll let dad know that, too. THAT will be fine. |
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bawanajim, Sorry, you don't make much sense to me.
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I would be more concerned about the 14 yo having access to a 30/30 with other kids around, if that is the case. Hopefully this won't turn into a fight between you and the father. I do agree about having something mounted that was poached....not much of a trophy IMO.
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ORIGINAL: BobCo19-65 bawanajim, Sorry, you don't make much sense to me. The kid wasn't trading crack to little Suzie for hummers. He shot a fox !!!!!!!!!!!! An animal that most consider vermin!!!!!!!! At 14 years old if thats the worst fault you can find in him I would say he's going to be a fine young man!!!!!! You can only beat a dog so long and then he won't come back, teach the kid something and you just might get more than resentment out of him!!!!!!! |
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ORIGINAL: bawanajim You guys sound like The good Rev Al Sharpton and it was Don Imus that did the dirty deed. You all need to take a deep breath and calm your selves. You have not mentioned how old the kid is ,and yes it does matter.I know times have changed but when I was a kid nothing was safe from me and my daisy. One time I got caught shooting a song bird and that was the end of my daisy & my sitting for a long time. If you want to explain to the father that you don't approve go ahead, but don't be surprised if he thinks that foxes are worth less predators that should be shot on sight.Most farmers do. When fur prices were high there were many trappers ,today there are few.And with this predator numbers have surged and the results are declining small game numbers.Some of us like grouse better than foxes. If you can find a good point about having foxes around maybe you will be able to convince him not to shoot them in the future. A goose hatched five gosling's on my pond last week as of last night they were all killed. I am not a fan of avian predators either! As for the law breaking part of it I am sure none of you speed on your way to work? Go ahead stone away!!!!!!!!!;) A 14 year old should know better. |
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You've never met a farmer that had chickens, sheep, calves, etc that didn't want coyotes/foxes killed? We have farmers that ask us to shoot coyotes here. Foxes are kinda rare here, but I don't think they would have a problem with us shooting them...in season of course.:D
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The kid wasn't trading crack to little Suzie for hummers. |
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