WELL, we will disagree on these bows for sure. As far as the Guardian feeling like drawing a speed cam, duhhh... it's really what it is. It doesn't come with the smooth modules. You want that, buy an Allegiance. You say it felt like 70? Did you actually put it on a scale and see what you were pulling? You may have been pulling 70. The bow is quieter than anything going and there is absolutely no handshock with nothing added. If you don't like the draw cycle, well fine, but it's appears to be a hunting machine for those of us that have no problem pulling it back. Mine is set on 70. I have not seen anyone that shot it that wasn't impressed and wanted one. Len is selling them faster than he can get them. Someone likes them. I didn't particularly like the Drenilin either. Len has a brand new one in his shop. The guy bought it and came to have Len set it up. While Len was working on his bow he shot the Guardian. First words out of his mouth, "boy, did I screw up". He traded in his brand new Drenilin and bought the Guardian, or was it the Commander. WEll he bought the Bowtech anyway after owning the Drenilin a week.

no offense here, but I'm amazed at that. I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, but I've never ever heard that from a liberty. I owned a liberty for a couple years and it's still the smoothest drawing bow I've ever owned. I've not heard one complaint about the draw cycle on the lib. but then again there's a lot of different people out there.

No offense taken. When this happened, I knew even less than I do now. Now even I'm surprised bywhat happened. To be totally honest, I initially bought the Liberty. I had it for about six weeks before I returned it. The issues weren't with the Liberty as much as the place where I bought it. The specific bow I was looking for wasn't on the rack, so they brought me one from the "back". I don't know if this particular bow had been previously damaged and returned or had something go wrong, but it never would group, it kept having issues with parts coming loose. Had I been experienced, I wouldn't have taken one that didn't still have the tags on it. Maybe I was just sold a damaged bow and wasn't knowledgeable enough to know it. Maybe I'm just different, but I do know that my Drenalin at 70# is easier to draw than that "particular" Liberty. Maybe it's possible that they guy had it cranked all the way down, higher than 70#????

I' m surprised to hear someone say that as well. I think the Diamonds are an easy draw. No harshness when the cam breaks over and 70lbs. feels like 60. At least to me.

Maybe there's just a difference in terminology here. Smooth,harsh,etc. are written and as such subjective.
The original post referred to the feel of the weight of the draw. I think some are responding to the smoothness of the cycle. It can draw smooth but feel like a ton. The opposite could also be true.
Ididn't shoot either of these bows so I can't respond to them.

ROSS....[8D]

I agree with you on the guardian..........draws like crap IMO. I would never want to try to get that thing back at 7 am on a cold morning in a heavy jacket..............I didn't like drawing it indoors in a T-shirt.

I thought the Drenalin was fine............and actually the best of the 3 bows I shot that day (Ally and Guardian were the other 2)

I shot a Ross Cardiac a couple weeks ago and it was a nice bow..........nothing more and nothing less. It did have a nice draw.

I have shot both and i can say that I didnt have any problem drawing back the Guardian. Felt pretty good to me. I'll admit it was a little differnt but the bow i have right now is a single cam and not a binary, so i expected that. I had the chance to shoot a Drenalin the other day and thought the draw on the drenalin was way worse than the Guardian. Some people think it's the smoothest bow on the market, but not in my hands. All personal preference.

If you haven't noticed by now, 'smoothness' is pretty much a matter of perception and what you're used to. Pick up a Hoyt with the wheel 1/2 and shoot it for a month or two. After that, every cam bow out there will feel like you're trying to break over the bumper from a Peterbuilt.

Somebody that's used to pulling those outrageous cams doesn't really have anything to compare to.They'll all feel pretty smooth.Until the shoulder blows up, that is. Then they'll feel it.

I shot a Vectrix and Drenalin before purchasing the Allegiance. Never shot the Gaurdian, too ugly for me. I chose the Allegiance because for me it had thedraw cycle, looks and feel I liked best. Very smooth draw cycle in my opinion. The Drenalin was also very smooth. I personally thought the Vectrix was rougher than both of those bows. However, that's just my opinion. As for my shoulders, they're just fine.

David, didn't have the Guardian on a scale, but it was a factory ordered 60# bow and the b.c. said it was tested at 60.1 lbs.

It has nothing to do with how the draw force curve is at all, it just seems like these two bows feel heavier (draw weight) than the other 70# bows that I have shot/owned. The Guardian is possibly the nicest bow that I have ever had in my hands (definetly the quietest and most shock free) and if the draw cycle were to feel like my Old Glory I would have dropped the hammer and bought one.

Arthur, I have shot the BowTech Pro40 wheely, never shot the Hoyt wheel 1/2, but that bow brought a whole new meaning to smooth.


My whole point here is that it just seems that the draw cycles on alot of bows are being compromised the past year or two just to gain speed and I believe that it is unnessacary as there have been faster bows that drew better in the past. It seems like that each year brings on a bunch of great innovations but yet the draw cycle keeps moving backwards. I want to see a bow that draws like my 04 BowTech Liberty did that can push out 335 f.p.s. IBO. It could be done, but it seems like that aspect of bows is getting pushed back further on the list and innovations to make the bow have less shock, less noise, and more speed keeping pushing forward. It seems silly to me as the way a bow draws is really the major deciding factor for me.


Bowtech..... please bring out a Guardian for 2008 that draws like the Liberty and has a IBO speed of atleast 320 f.p.s. and I will order 3 of them