For all the Whisker Biscuit haters....
 

I was reading the newest Bowhunting World mag and came across this from NORB MULLANEY.....

I have a whisker biscuit installed on my hunting bow because I like the fully contained design. With it I use either trueflight 5-inch three-fletch feathers or 4.7-inch three-fletch FlexFletch vanes. I shoot this with a release aid and am quite satisfied with the results.


I am not saying you should or shouldn't use a WB it just shocked me to see Norb uses one for hunting and thought I would share it with you guys.

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So? What is that supposed to mean? Just because this guy shoots one I should bow down and run out get one for every bow I use? Doesn't impress me much. He is probably sponsored by them and gets them for free, or they pay him to use them.

Chuck Adams likes aluminum arrows but you don't see hundreds of people throwing away their carbon arrows because of what he shoots. I actually like aluminums as well though.

I have messed with the WB enough to know I don't care for it. Is it a POS rest that no one should ever use? No, and I have never said that. I just don't care for it and have trouble suggesting it to people. It solves a problem I don't think needs to be solved. It's only use to me would be on spot and stalk hunting when you are walking around with an arrow nocked and you don't want it fall off the rest. However there are other products that will do the same thing and are better rests in my opinion.

I'm glad he likes it, but it doesn't change my opinion any.

Paul

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I don't currently shoot a WB either. I have shot them in the past for hunting however and would hunt with one again.

Do you even know who Norb Mullaney is?

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Well said Paul. I shoot a WB and love it. My philosophy is and always will be, as long as it's legal where you are, go for it. I don't like baiting but it's legal here, so I say go for. I like the fact that you kept it non personal.

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Yes I know who he is and value his opinion on bow specs and the such. But just because someone in the industry shoots something doesn't mean I will run out and buy it. Especially if I already have an opinion on it.

I think I need more caffeine;):D.

Paul

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I agree..... I was a little shocked when I read that from Norb, thus the reason for the post ;)

This post is not intended to sway anyones opinion on anything, I could care less what everyone else uses. I hunted with a dropzone last fall and a Trophy Taker the 2 yearsbefore that. I'd have to go back 4 years ago to the last time I hunted with a WB.

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He also uses an EasyEYElazer to find center shot and I know for a fact that they will not work ACCURATELYon a large majority of bows on the market today.


I don't know if Norm has fallen prey to the advertisement game or if he just isn't that accomplished in the actuall tuning and setup of bows.:eek:



Paul summed it up well.

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I don't know who Norb Mullaney is. Nor do I really care. He has no impact in my little world. :D

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I'd like to have all you self proclaimed tuning gurus to have your bowsinspected by a qualified bow tech...... :D

I am no tuning expert but I service my own equipment and don't take it to the shop for any work. I am certain there are things that that could be tweaked however by a good Tech....

I'm willing to bet your bows aren't as perfect as you would like everyone to believe either.

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MY BOWS HAVE BEEN CHECKED;)


I have a friend that tunes for world competetion on a shooting machine and he has checked my tune out several times and has told me on several occasions that my setup was close to perfect.[8D]His shooters have set more than 1 world record.I believe they were all in the youth division but world records none the less.


He has forgotten more than I know and what I know,mostly was learned from him.


He also builds my strings and will take my measurements and take the bow right back to where I had it at full draw on the machine,unless I missed something,then he will fix it.



He will still tell me to adjust my rest to me while actually shooting the bow.Another words,he tells me to group tune it for me.I usually don't have to move it.;)

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I will bet you money that after a TECH gets done with my bow I won't shoot any better than I did before I took it there. I'd rather have help with my form and shooting technique to be honest.

I have purposely set some of my bows seriously out of whack just for the heck of it before. Guess what, they still shot pretty much the same, except when using fixed blades. And they shot well, just not to the same point my field points did.

If you think having your cam 3 degrees out of rotation during a match is going to make you lose you probably lost before you started. Your mental game is very important in archery.

And I don't see how putting a bow in a machine is going to tell you anything about how your bow is tuned? No one shoots or holds the bow the same so it just doesn't mean anything. I guess if it were way off it might tell you your form sucks though. Heck a shooting machine will shoot well matched arrows into the same spot regardless of tune. If we all shot like machines we wouldn't nead to tune anything at all.

The measure of a good tune is if your arrows go where you point them consistantly shot after shot. There is no right or wrong tune, just the one that works for you.

My bow will shoot unfletched arrows together at beyond 40 yards as well as I can shoot them. That is tuned plenty good enough for me, I don't care what a machine or proffesional tuner says about my set up.

My opinion anyway.

Paul

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i have one and i refered my friend to one. its a dream rest. i love it and when you get shakey it helps a lot too. i love the rest and would recomend it to anybody.

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Paul,a machine does more than what most think.It can be used as a vice that holds a bow at full draw so you can make necessary adjustments.Cam lean is a big part of a forgiving setup and is easily adjusted/checked at full draw with a machine.


Also,3rd and 4rth axis adjustment can be done much more accurately on a machine at full draw.


Centershot can be set very close before you take it for group tuning.


AND YOU ARE CORRECT,confidence or mental gameis everything and there is no better confidence in knowing there are no issues with the bow.



A machine will not shoot arrows into the same hole everytime.The arrows must be tuned first and a shooting machine is best suited for this.




A machine will get you ready to fine tune to you.The better your form and better the bow,the less you will adjust afterwards.


I am not saying they are a must have.I don't use one.I have had my setups checked on one.I have had my arrows group tuned on one.I alsoget a free machine setup when I get new strings and cables and I do very little if anything when I get it back.


I used to be very much like you untill I saw first hand and experienced what can be done with a machine and how much quicker and easier things can be done.

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Paul,considering the thread has been officially hijacked,maybe we should continue in a pm intead of continuing with this hijack.[:o]


SORRY

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I too am surprised Mullaney uses a WB for hunting. Like all or at least most of you, I use what I like and am comfy with. For example..................in the 2006 broadhead success survey, their was only two reported kills using the broadhead I mainly use now. And one of them was a kill I made, but thats not stopping me from using it because I love it. By the way, results will be posted within the next day or two.

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How did this thread turn into a pissing contest over tuning??

I'm not surprised by ANYONE who says they use a WB to hunt with..........it is the best hunting rest on the market IMO and I have used one for years with no complaints.

THIS could raise a few eyebrows with those that think the WB is not a good rest though ;)

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It isn't a pissing match.Paul and I respect each other very much.


The tuning comes in because that is the biggest problem with a WB.

There are many rest that are much better at doing the same thing a WB does.

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And I think the reason Scott started the thread to begin with... ;)

Good info along the way though guys.

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NORB MULLANEY AND ARCHERY BIOGRAPHY [blockquote] Norb Mullaney has been shooting bows and arrows of one type or another for over 70 years. He started with a hickory self bow at 8 or 9 years of age, progressed through self longbows, a solid fiberglass bow, several commercial laminated recurves, recurves of his own design and building, and several self-built compounds before forsaking bow building to concentrate on technical writing and consulting in the archery field. He began reporting on his tests of bows in Archery World Magazine in 1974. He has been the Director of Bow Testing for Archery World Magazine and subsequently for Bowhunting World Magazine (its successor) since that time.

He has been very active in the area of safety and standards for archery products having chaired the ASTM Subcommittee for Archery Products for 18 years and the AMO Safety and Standards Committee for 17 years. He has authored over 250 published articles and papers dealing with the technical side of archery and bowhunting. Over the years he has tested over 8000 different bow and arrow combinations.

In 2002 Norb Mullaney was elected to the national Archery Hall of Fame and the Hall of Honor of the World Bowhunters Chapter of the Safari Club International. He has been an active bowhunter for nearly 50 years and has served as a director of the Wisconsin Bowhunters Association for almost. 30 years.

Mullaney is a registered professional engineer in the state of Wisconsin. He holds bachelors and masters degrees in mechanical engineering from the University of Wisconsin with a major in aeronautical engineering at the University of Detroit and a minor in business administration at Marquette University.
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The WB makes noise
WB are not accurate enough
WB tear up blazers.... etc, etc

A lot deer fall every year to the WB, I guess they may just work for some people;)

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No one has ever said they don't work.AtleastI haven't.

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never heard of him. I think the Whisker Biscuit is a great rest, but thats not because of what a writer said.

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I too love my WB! For the style of hunting we do out west I don't believe there is another rest out there that can offer the convience and the reliability that a WB offers. I would recommend them to anyone.They may not be the "optimum" in rests and performance but they get the job done...very well.[8D]

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Good for Norb! Not going to make me change to a WB though.

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My opinion......but "I" think this "fact" is due to3 things:

#1 - It's cheap
#2 - It's easy to set-up
#3 - It's a good rest

I concur, again.

If I utilized a different arrow with a different "coating".....I'd still be using this rest. If I never got up-close and personal with my quarry.....I'd still be using it.

It doesn't surprise me ONE BIT that this is the most popular hunting rest in the world. It ALSO doesn't surprise me that its' flaws are recognized by many of the top hunters and shooters of the world. Both contingencies have credible arguments for or against this rest.

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It just doesn't look cool enough to be on my bow[8D].

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Try this one ;)

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Great a WB on steriods:D

When they come out with the Drop away WB I will buy one:D

Atlas is that a metal frame?

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WB just bought out Trophy Taker didn't they??


I believe so..........not sure.

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How would a drop away biscuit work? I would guess it drop the bottom half and raise the top half. You could put it in lock mode if you wanted, two rest in one;)

It would look like PacMan. They could call it PacMan Biscuit[8D]

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Pretty poorly I would guess


Or.......the Open Whisker Biscuit..........just imagine the fun guys would have googling that ;)

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Yep, it's a metal frame custom made by Fuse. Pretty cool if you ask me........

I don't know why it takes someone like Norb to give credence to the Whisker Biscuit when there were a few of us telling you guys all along that it's a good rest!:D

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The name just makes me laugh!!

Big12 I am not suprised, my buddy put a drop away on his kids bow. We were having a lot of issues with it. I finally git him to put a WB on it. The kid loved it!!! All is good.

For some it is just how it looks, me included

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People use different equipment for different reasons, including aesthetics. I have no problem with that because most of the products on the market work just fine. My beef has always been with those who slam this rest like it's a POS. This makes newbie members to this fourm (and hunters) think it's nota good rest when in fact it's arguably one ofthe better (IMO the best) hunting rests on the market today.

Ifpeople don't like it that's fine but they should stop perpetuating the misconceptions that are being passed on from post to post.

It's pretty simple, if set up correctly, you will have no damage to your vanes, no damage to the biscuit fibers, no drop in accuracy, negligible drop in speed and negligible amount of noise.

I can say this because once set up correctly I have experienced none of these problems. Now I know I don't have "Jack's magic biscuit" because I too had some of the problems listed above. Once I fixed thecause (mine was the wrong size biscuit opening) my problems stopped, so I know these problems can be corrected and quite easily I might add.

Now I must preface this by saying I can only make this observation about bows that shoot up to about 280fps. Maybe faster shooting bows have a problem with the W/B, I don't know. Perhaps someday somebodywill do some research into the effects ofbow speed on the W/B. I would be interested in that for sure as I have my own suspicions regarding that subject.

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For the record, BigJ.......I agree with everything you said. I've never seen anyone, though, that shot 4" vanes through a WB that had NO vane damage (if you consider warping of the vanes "damage").No "negligible amount of noise" is also up for interpretation. What some are willing to accept.....I wasn't. I was also using (in my experience in testing MANY arrows on the draw) THE "noisiest" arrows available.

I LOVE my Summit Viper stand. I ALSO understand that the rail "might" be a hinderance to MANY bowhunters. It SEVERELY negates one's abilities to shoot from a sitting position. It's a "hinderance" that I'm willing to accept......but I won't deny it exists.

I've ALWAYS said that the WB is a great rest. I'll stand by that. Is it perfect? Nope. Are any of them? Nope.

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Well......all you had to do is ask.

Here are arrows that I received as aChristmass gift from my brother-in-law. They are Carbon Express Elimator 350 and they originally came with perfectly straight fletched vanes. I had them refletched with a 4deg offset and I have been praticing with them since January. I probably have put over a thousand shots through them as I shoot almost 100 each time I go and I have gone about 12-15 times since the first of the year.

There is absolutely no sign of damage at all and mind you these are the el-cheapo 4in vanes my Pro Shop keeps in stock.

1000 words.

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Another view

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Last one....good enough?

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I used the word negligible because there is some noise when you draw. But every rest will make some noise, that's why people put moleskin on their rests to quiet them down. I have found that with my Bemans I had very little noise, infact my clothes made more noise than my arrow did. With the Carbon Express arrows there is even less noise. So the LAST thing on my mind when I go hunting is my rest making noise.

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hey...I do this, too! I just could never figure out how to do it with my WB. How do you do it?

Again!! Common ground! i agree that the Beamans make VERY little (nt even negligible) noise!

Me too!