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If people were busting 300 yard drives and holing out with a pitching wedge, I'm sure they could care less what other ball someone else deemed superior. I would include myself in a large group of WB users who never claimed it was THE BEST rest, only a very good, reliable, hunting rest. It works. Period. Jeff, I agree that there can be a noise issue, depending on arrow. I prefer aluminums but they were very noisy. I switched to ICS Hunters and no more noise problem. I've since went to ACC's and still no problem. I've found I'm quite happy with the ACC's as well as the WB.

Oh, and yes, I prefer the PROV. I used to prefer forged blades but now that I don't play much I prefer cast. Things change.

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LMFAO!!! Yea, but he probablykilled 99% of his trophies not wearing it TeeJay. When someone pays their bills for them, people will sing high praises for their sponsor.;)

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Some just can't let things go:eek:

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Edit:D

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You guys surely are passionate about arrow rests, that's one thing for sure.

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100% agreed.

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I missed itPM me:D I like a good post

Yes I am talking all of us

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Hmm, an interesting 9 pages of reading. I haven't been following the WB controversy much. The local shop tends to sell 10 of them to any other rests they have in stock and they do not really push it much. I know most of the guys that come in are strictly hunters though so that might have something to do with it. I have set up quite a few of them for folks and do believe they have some obvious benefits which were already mentioned on this thread. I even tried one on my bow a few times but just did not see the need for it because I have not had an arrow fall of the rest yet. (For what it is worth I am still shooting GKF Golden/Platinum premiers and Infinitis on my bows.)

As for Norb, the fact that he uses one does not surprise me. I am assuming this is in reference to his testing and possibly his personal use (if he does hunt). From the testing perspective it makes some sense. Prior to using the WB Ibelieve he would use a standard flipper style rest or a springy style for all of his bow reports. My assumption was that he used it because it was easy to setup and tune with. When doing as many reviews as he does it would only make sense to use a rest that was quick and easy to setup. I would think the same would apply in reference to the WB.

....and I am glad to see that this thread pulled ol' Arthur out of the woodwork. ;)

Just my thoughts.

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I couldn't agree more...........I can't even count how many lemmings I have seen trying to match their gear with what they see on TV or in magazines only to find out it takes more then using Tiger's driver to play great golf. Same with every other sport/hobby out there. Cost in no way directly correlates with quality........neither does who else is using that product. I have shot rounds in the low 70's with a rockflite and tickled 100 with $40/dz butter balls. I have had a 3 wood that I have been crushing for years now (it retired my driver)........a buddy had his dad make it for me in college for $40. I have only one demand of the products I use........they have to do the job in the best reasonable manner. If a product meets those demands I buy it...........sometimes that costs me a lot of money and sometimes it doesn't. I NEVER let what other guys are doing influence me one bit. That has to be the lamest reason to buy something I can imagine..........reminds me of somehing Mathews groupies would do.

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No....but we're not talking about the typical "weekend warrior" in my correlation, either. We're talkingscratch (or BETTER)golfers pitted against championship set-ups. I used the control group I did (i.e. golf) for a reason. They're the BEST players in my club and my state. They're not guys who shoot an "occasional" round in the 70's. They're guys who shoot CONSISTENT rounds AT or below par. In other words....they're thebest golfers in their respective arenas. I can tell you from experience.....they'll utilize the BEST equipment available to them. Can they shoot good rounds with a lesser ball? Sure. Can they play their BEST with that same ball? Nope. Not CONSISTENTLY.

Will there be the occasional guy playing in a state Am. or PGA event that utilizes the cheaper ball?Yes. On average, though......you don't see it happening (check the ball count for ANY PGA event or state Am. and get back with me).

There's a guy in my town that won the state Am. playing with 8 clubs and wearing hiking sneakers. John's aMAGNIFICENT golfer, though.....and (in my opinion) does this to get in hisopponent's heads (He was also part of WFU's national championship team). I just don't see the MAJORITY (not even close) of serious archery enthusiasts utilizing a WB. I dont think they see the benefits as being something important to them (full arrow containment). Besides this claim to fame......WHY else would you choose this rest over a fall-away?

Can this rest consistently take animals? Sure. So can a spear in the right hands. As with ANY piece of hunting (or any other) equipment, though.....we weigh the positives and the negatives when choosing what we want to utilize (even $$ being a consideration to some). The best 3D shooters and the best hunters "I" know utilize what they do for a reason, I'm betting. I just don't see many of the people I cite utilizing the WB.

Coincidence?

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You guys crack me up..... Golf and bowhunting are two different creatures.... GMMAT I cannot understand why mostevery discussion on the board, you try to relate it to golf?

Bowhunting is bowhunting....

I am a carpenter... Should I relate everything to what brand of hand and power tools thebest carpenters use?

No, that would be silly.

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Buckeye...

It has NOTHING to do with the game of golf......and I would think that would be HIGHLY apparent.

The correlation is the best players/shooters. NOTHING more. You COULD use carpentry just as easily. Worm-drive sawsvs. non.....types of tools used byjourneyman vs."std."....what CRAFTSMEN utilize vs. what your average weekendhandyman building his kid a birdhouse uses. The"games" are different. Quality oftools utilized to perform tasks are "relative".....andCAN show a correlation.

There have been plenty of ducks killed with single shot 2-1/2" capable shotguns over the years. I'm not going afield with one in AR, though.....if you send me there to try and be "successful".

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Please list in detail what these "best" use.

I want to be the best and now know I have to use their equipment to be so.

Thanks
Steve

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Fair question, Steve....

The BEST hunters and 3D shooters "I" know use a fall-away type rest. I'm sure there are exceptions to EVERY "rule",.....but I answered the question you asked of me.

Do your own poll.....and see who weighs in. Find out, for yourself who uses what.....and figure out if YOU want to be using the items THEY utilize, or not. I did my own field test of several items.....and I've decided....based on THOSE experiences AND the experience of people "I" trust....what works best, for me.

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I am a journeyman carpenter and I guarantee that I don't have the best of the tools. I buy american made tools that have a lifetime warranty. Are the brands I buy the best? I don't know but if I break them I get a new one no questions asked.

About the best 3D shooters..... Most pros don't even use dropaway rests for competition. They use a spring steel style launcher arm.

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I use it because it is simple, durableand it works. The full aarow containment is an obvisous bonus, but if it did not work, I would not keep using it simply to fully contain my aarow. I use it over a fall away because the fall away's have moving parts and I am not comfortable with that. I can't speak for the "serious archery enthusiasts" that you speak of because I do not know them , but I could not care less what anyone else is using and it is never a factor in what I choose. If it works for me and I am comfortable with it.........I use it.

GMMAT and I don't want to come off as rude here but, if I didn't already know about the problems you experienced with your WB, I would say that you switched to a fall away because that is what everyone around you was using and being new to bowhunting, you assumed that the fall away is the way to go since everyone else is using it.

The "best" hunters I know are not really concerned with what equiptment they have or use, but moreso they are concerned with the hunt.The equiptment must work and they must be comfortable with it, but the most important thing is the hunt. They did not become the "best" by choosing certain equiptment. They became great hunters because of preparation, scouting, and paying attention along with endless hours on stand.

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Buckeye....

"I" prefaced ALL "my" comments with "I".

"I" don't know any serious shooters that use a WB. Maybe "I" don't know too many "serious" shooters, but NOONE "I" know uses one to shoot 3D (and FEW hunt with one).

Anything else interjected into this is semantics as far as "I" am concerned. If you have different experiences.....psot 'em up!

We've (HNI community) got some guys who swear by this rest.....and I'm willing to concede that they're GREAT hunters (results speak for themselves, I would think). I have "my" idea of whose opinions I take to heart in here (and among my friends).....and others have theirs. I'm not syaing ANY of them are wrong or better than anyone else's. Never have.

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The thing is, Gus...I switched because I had a bad EXPERIENCE. I ONLY knew I didnt want to keep using the rest I was using. I din't have any experience with another type. I relied on my pro shop owner's expertise to choose another rest (and it wasn't the one he was using). THAT is why I chose the rest I did. If I didn't have any ecperience with a tool.....I'd trust the people that know about them before I made another buying decision. that's what I did.

In regards to your second paragraph.....i concur, wholeheartedly.

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You also said you don't know any shooters that use a spring steel (which from what you have been saying must be the best because thats what thepros use.) so it must not be a very good rest either.... After all no one you know uses one.

I am not debating the WB here but rather your outlook on this subject.

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When did I say this?

Honestly......this is going nowhere.

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ThePROV golf ball, the stuff that the pros and clubpros use etc etc....

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Buckeye....

I WAS a club pro. I WAS in that group of Ams. "I" used the stuff I was touting, too. Those guys were my peers, hence my correlation. I ADMITTEDLY don't know much of the technical criteria of archery. I've never claimed to. When one doesn't know these things......who do they turn to for advice? They turn to the people who ARE successful and the people they trust to be knowledgeable in the industry (i.e. friends who are good at 3D and who are good hunters.....and their pro shop owners).

That's ALL I was/am trying to say. I trust the people who are successful at ANYTHING they do to help me make sound decisions. I think you can understand this.

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Actually golf and archery are VERY similar. They both use the same basic skills as far as the mental game, having proper form, being able to repeat that form, judging distance and other things.

I often equate archery to golf. Especially in terms of practice and getting help. If more people in archery would get lessons instead of trying to buy the "better" product they would probably shoot better. Same goes with golf. I bet most of the really good golfers didn't get that way by winging it and screwing around in their back yard. I know it hasn't helped me any;).

Why would archery be any different? (Rhetorical question, no comment needed.)

Paul

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This hasn't really gone anywhere in several pages:D

Paul

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I do see the VAST MAJORITY of hunters utilizing one.........which by your logic would make it the best hunting rest........which is what I have said all along.


No moving parts
Less expensive (for some people this matters)
Easier to tune
Quieter
No mole skin needed
No worries about what bow it will work with based on cable travel etc
No need to change your cable slide or use a bow press
Very tough and durable
Fast reload (if needed)
Availability of parts

What else is there to say then?


What exactly are the "negatives" you speak of??

Speed loss??........1-2 fps=meaningless
Vane damage?.........you have been told (and now shown) this is avoidable
Accuracy??..........Never a doubt that this rest is accurate
Cost??............Cheaper then most rests
Durability??.........Again no doubt the rest is tough
Containment??...........the benchmark for all other rests
Noise??.......your favorite thing to harp on.......you base ALL your so called "negatives" on the story of you getting busted that you just can't let go ........it's funny how you want to play the numbers game except when it goes against you.......thousands and thousands of animals fall EVERY year to a WB and hundreds of thousands of hunters with countless decades of experience use it with no problems.......BUT according to you we should throw out all that based on the fact that a rookie deer hunter who had never even tried to kill a deer before THINKS his WB scared one away.

Doesn't seem logical to me.




What in the world does someone's rest have to do with being a good hunter??



The BEST hunter I know uses an old Golden Eagle bow and crappy old gear right along with it............his gear makes NO difference to him........all he demands of it is it hit where he aims.......nothing more. What makes him a great hunter has NOTHING to do with equipment.........the shot is a mere formality to finalize his endless work at outsmarting his game and putting himself in the right place at the right time.

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Man...........your elitest attitude would have fit in great with the Mattews crowd a few years back. A bunch of people that thought shooting a particular bow elevated them to a class above the "commoners"




You would have fit right in.

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THERE IT IS! I've been waiting to see who'd dust off that tired ol' cliche and throw it into the fray. "Elitist."

Yep, couldn't nobody say the least thing unflattering about Matthews bows a few years back without getting pounced on like a June bug in a chicken coop. Just like you guys now with your wb's today. If you wb lovers haven't noted the near direct correlation between yourselves and the old Matthews crowd, you've not spent much time in front of a mirror lately. LOL

I'd rather have a sister working in a house of ill repute than have a brother with a whisker biskit on his bow.

Let's see if that doesn't get us to 20 pages. [8D]

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:D:D:D:D:D[8D]

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Atlas and GMMAT suck at ignoring

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Ha, that cracks me up.:D Your getting pretty spunky lately Arthur, did you up your One A Day dosage?;)

Glad to see you posting again, and with an attitude to boot.

Paul

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Paul,
Well said.
When I was a youngster I knew people that used to play archery golf. A course was set-up and you shot your bow like you played a round of golf using flu flu fletching on the arrows. Was a great way to learn how to judge distance if I recall.

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WB elitest??

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"I'd rather have a sister working in a house of ill repute than have a brother with a whisker biskit on his bow. "




Well, with that kind of open minded thinking I'm not sure what the point is to try and discuss anything. Kinda , almost a fundamentalist attitude really.

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Hey...I just posted "my" experiences with this rest....and made sure I emphasized "my". "I" DON'T see the majority of EXPERIENCED, (what I would call - "expert") hunters utilizing this rest. So....you have a differing experience/opinion. Good for you. I don't particularly care for what THE majority f hunters are using.I go with what works, for me.....and, when in question, with what people "I" trust in the "sport/industry" are utilizing. I just don't see the BEST using a WB. That's all I ever said. I could care less what the "majority" is using.

I'm going to concede some points. OK...it has no moving parts. OK...it's less expensive. Easier to tune??? Come on......I only know of a handful of guys who've never had theirs perform noiseless, w/ no vane damageetc. It can't be THAT easy to tune. As far as I can tell.....there's only 3 or 4 experts who have the credentials to tune them. EVERY time someone claims an issue with one of these.....the consensus from the "experts" is that they tuned it wrong. No mole skin needed?? Where would you put it? if it was easy to quieten one of these things down....I know at least 2 more that would be in use. And as far as moving parts, cable slides, availability of parts, etc.........I don't see a large contingency of Drop away users claiming these "downfalls". Theirr rests are performing flawlessly, too, and have been, for years!

I, too, wouldn't worry about speed loss. Vane damage? Again....for every one person you cite with none.....I'll find you ten who DID experience vane damage. Oh yeah.....they don't know how to set up theirs......because it's so ea......sorry. I forgot. Accuracy? OK....but the people that have made being accurate count are the guys shooting targets and 3D. The absence of this rest among this group of archers should tell us something. Durability? Given. A steel eye hook welded to the riser would bemore durable.....but I don't see many getting their stingers and welding rods out. Cost? BINGO! Containment? BINGO!.....but that's been achieved with the fall-away, too.

This is a GREAT hunting rest! If I didn't worry about noise issues....I'd still use it! I'm done on this one. I'll post a redundant, admittedly, post to see what our bretheren are using. People can take those poll results and make their own decisions as to: the type of archer....experience of said archer...etc...the trust they put into any given rest. Or...they could post their own experiences.......(and, as we all know, have them discounted).

NO ONE got ugly during this thread (not ONCE)....and NO ONE said anything personal. I think it was a great discussion....and I thank you Atlas (and others), personally, for that.

Sincerely,

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Then you should use one because you are neither EXPERIENCED or an "expert" hunter...........Right?


You said yourself that you want to know what the successful people are using........well more animals fall to the WB every year then any other rest................so which is it?


Why did you choose the WB in the first place then?


So you are part of this group of the BEST huh?


How many have you set up?


You don't have to quiet it down...........that's the whole point. I don't want mole skin stuck on my rest so I have to worry about the added weight causing the drop arm to not function right in the rain or maybe the stuff peeling up on a twig or due to the heat/humidity and sending my POI way off...........just all things I don't want to have to think about no matter how rare they may occur.........I don't want even the slightest chance of that by adding mole skin to my rest. I can't imagine for the life of me why you think this rest is too loud to hunt with yet thousands of people take them in the woods every year with no problems. You shoot ACC's and they are SILENT in a WB..........I don't see your point on this issue at all.


You asked for reasons to choose a WB over a drop away.........I like my cable slide and so do lots of other guys, it's a slick teflon small slide and there is no place to attach a string........I don't want to switch to a slower, sticky plastic slide just to have a place to attach a string. The more moving parts you have the more likely a problem becomes, it's that simple. As far as availability goes that is a VERY big deal........bust a part on a limb driver or a ripcord and you better HOPE you are near a BIG outlet store or archery shop.........None of those rests even have parts available that I have seen. Any problems with a WB and you can get a new disc just about anywhere. Pretty much the same as taking a 30 '06 on a hunting trip........you can go anywhere in the world and if you have any problems with ammo you could find shells no problem.........now if you have problems with your 300 WSSM ammo.........you're screwed!!!!


I shot a drop away...........biggest piece of crap I ever wasted $70 on.


I wouldn't consider wavey vanes as "damage".........it has no effect on the arrow or it's flight........it's not like they are being shredded or something.


Just as Buckeye told you earlier the BEST don't shoot drop aways either..........what does THAT tell you??



What's your point??.......durability is a valid reason to choose the WB (which is what you asked for).

Is there something wrong with that??

I don't consider what the QAD rest offers as "containment".......moving your bow around will cause your arrow to bounce around in about an inch of open space............seriously.......what is even the point of having that top bar??


Then why do you spend so much time trying to convince everyone they should get something else?

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Would you care to share the source for that statistic? I think you're blowing a great deal of smokeup someone's pants leg with that one. LOL[8D]

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Not interested anymore. I enjoyed the conversation.

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Take a stats class.............and help your sister find a new job.

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Yea..............the TRUTH is so booooooooooooooring ;)

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Atlasman.... Maybe you need to take a class on how to source and validate information and drop the class you're inon creative fiction writing. Looks like you could test out on that one anyway.;)