Thanks David! Being that the Drury's were a hot topic already this week , I thought I'd try the sarcasm approach.<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

well in IA in one weekend 1 was killed and three were wounded driving...I gues you'll take care of yourselves eventually.

THWACK!

That's a little harsh Thwack<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>. Not tasteful.

The guys I know who are really into it were raised that way.

Thwack, I noticed on another thread you use mech broadheads and only pull 53 pounds.Did you know that under what many companies consider the minumum for mechs.What is your KE on your set up.

In the near future I’m afraid my son will ask me ”Dad why is it we can’t hunt anymore?” Well Son I tell you why. Because we couldn’t decide whom the “Real Hunters” were. The hunters we did ourselves in. The traditional guys told the compound shooters they weren’t “real hunters” they needed training wheels and sights. The Compound hunters told the Trads. you shouldn’t be allowed to hunt. You shoot your arrows all over the place and wound more then you kill. We argued about it until we were blue in the face and the wedge was being driven in. All that we could decide was Crossbow hunters just don’t fit in. Their not “real hunters.” their Bows are always cocked that takes no skill of grace. Who do they think their fooling we can’t let them in. We need to keep hunting to the “Real Hunters” is what we said, and the wedge just kept getting pounded in.

Before you knew it we hunters were fighting all over the place. ”REAL HUNTERS” don’t use rifles, range finders or hunt over bait! They don’t use scents, or run deer with dogs or use drives no “real Hunter” would resort to that. They never go on guided hunts or take a long shot at game. WE decided that “real hunters” don’t wear scent loc suits or high tech camo or ride an ATV into their tree stands. We decided that high fences, ranches and leasing land were in no way connected to “REAL HUNTING” we decided that shouldn’t take place .The wedge was all the way in.

After the smoke had cleared and “WE” helped pass laws to Ban every type of hunting that wasn’t “REAL HUNTING”, we realized there was no more hunting at all. We got what we asked for we have no one but ourselves to blame.

Be careful what you ask for,you just might get it

I drive woods with some very good hunters.A couple of these guys have killed more big bucks with the bow,then I have even seen.We use drives late season as a tool.It's very effective especially for taking does out,which is what we shoot 90% of the time.Our buck tags are usually filled by then.It sounds like you were around a group of jerks,why you would stay in a tree with that much lead flying around confuses me.

Edited by - Charlie P on 12/13/2002 08:37:07

Edited by - Charlie P on 12/13/2002 08:50:50

THWACK as others have already said I will repeat, do not label all drive hunters as slobs or unsafe, that is the same as labeling all bowhunters slobs because someone took a crappy shot, wounded a deer that wound up dead 3 days later.

I grew up in the Northern Neck of Va., and participated in an awful lot of drives, heck we even hunted with dogs! We always planned every drive, exactly who was driving and where, who was standing and where, most of our shots were on standing deer, some at walking ones. How can that be you ask?

Well when it was people driving, the drivers did not hoot and holler on the drive, they slowly made their ways back and forth towards the standers, the deer moved, but did not panic.

How in the world did you do drives with dogs and still get standing/walking shots? Well we always used short leg beagles and only used them in large tracts of swamp or thickets. The standers were at a considerable distance from where the dogs were put in and as a result the deer when first jumped would run hard for 100-200 yards and then proceed to mosey on to either slip the dogs or head to the standers.

Oh but people who do drives or use dogs do not do any scouting! WRONG! I do not do drives or hunt in front of dogs any more, but I can tell you right now, that these boys I hunted with spent a lot of time scouting and they knew where the deer where, when they put on a drive you can bet your sweet rear end there were deer.

THWACK there are slobs in every style of hunting, but they are in the minority, the drivers you were exposed to where slobs, just like you see an occasional slob show up here talking about taking 70 yard hail Mary shots! Do not call an entire form of hunting style as slovenly, it is not true.

The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club

I certainly see no fun, excitement, sense of pride or sport in doing &quot;drives&quot; like this, although I can see the value as a systematic method of thinning the deer population and increasing the scavenger population. I don't know why guys like this don't just go to the grocery store and buy a side of beef and some beer and fire up the bbcue. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Yes, perhaps there are a few &quot;well planned&quot; and &quot;strategic&quot; drives that are put on somewhere in the country but most gunners I know scare me and some are very highly educated people but have no common sense when it comes to hunting. I think most good bow hunters make great gun hunters. Not to throw another log in the fire <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle> but how about the fact that Milo Hansen's monster buck was taken via a drive like the one mentioned above. A group of gun hunting's finest dogged this beast to it's ultimate demise...what a shame.

Wolfen, did you ever find that buck you shot with the bow this year or did it feed scavengers?

A read a story about &quot;trophy hunters&quot; that just cut off the head and left the rest to rot. I guess all the hunters who pursue big racks are that way.etc. etc. etc.

We do make it easy for the anti groups to combat our life style.When they try and have a form of hunting banned they can use direct qoutes from within our own ranks to make us look bad.

Edited by - Charlie P on 12/13/2002 09:36:04

You keep saying its unethical to drive deer. Go to my uncles deer camp, then tell me it is unethical! There are 3 priests, a deacon, 2 retired principals and a doctor in his camp. They hire Indian guides, and drive with dogs. I dare you to tell anyone of these guys they are unethical in theyre hunting methods!

Edited by - swampthing on 12/13/2002 11:54:51

Swamo, Don't try and dirty up their arguments with facts,it ruins their day. If you don't do it their way your not a &quot;real hunter&quot; what don't you understand.

Tazman, I'm not labeling all drives. Read my original post. &quot;I'm not talking about gently pushed deer.&quot; I watched three seperate drives and witnessed at least 20 shots being fired. No deer were taken and most of the deer were out of range. These guys were hooting and hollering. A slow push IS effective and results in decent shot opportunities that are both safe and humane. My problem are the guys that hit as many places as they can, don't follow up, and hunt without previously stepping into the woods. A gentle push drive doesn't shut down the deer for everyone else. I get tired of seeing deer with their tongues hanging out from running from one tract to another. People reading this should know that if you're the type that only gives a crap about getting your group their quota of deer and screw everyone else, then yes I am out to offend because they offend me. I believe we owe something to the animals we hunt and a certian amount of fairness is in ordera as we are supposed to be the ones to be able to reason. Most of the guys and gals on this site are ethical, I see it in your posts everyday. I'm venting at those SOBs that I see far too often. Like I said I quit deer hunting for 25 years and nothing has changed as far as I can see. I'm even living 5 states away from where I started and I get the same sick feeling. My 10 year old son witnessed that on his first season and felt so sorry for the deer he asked me if we could go home, he wouldn't go back out after that first morning. Out of the mouth of babes....

THWACK!