Nah, I just used an A/C/C 3-60 (340 deflection) and a Muzzy 3 blade 125 gr. It still made it clean through, quartering away from 17 yards; bears just aren't that tough to penetrate.

For those interested, I found a very informative site...

http://www.huntersfriend.com/2007-Carbon-Arrows/arrow-selection-guide4.htm

The FOC is based in the Gold Tip product, but it can give you a very good idea about your arrow set up...

Isaac

125's shoot better out of my bow so that is what I shoot.

download the free trial version of OnTarget from Pinwheel software. It will tell you exactly what 100 or 125 grains will do in terms of your arrow spine.

I love this software. I can spend hours playing around with different setups and what-if scenarios....

I will go with the Phantom's this year. I read a study that was posted on one of these forums about how the phantom's required less ft. lbs of kinetic energy to push through a deer than the regular muzzy's.

Now I've always been a die hard fixed blade muzzy man but these interest me. They look pretty wicked.