Yes sir I would enter it. If Zaft's scenario played out with me, I'd be entering the buck tomorrow, no doubt in my mind. From what I've read Zaft did everything possible to retrieve his deer. If P&Y will allow it, I say enter it. If you don't like how the situation played out, blame P&Y. Just my 2 cents. Personally, I'm glad that he entered it because being the "offical" P&Y trophy that it is more people will be able to see it and enjoy an awesome whitetail.

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The link you provided for the Zaft buck story revealed a different story than I read before. I had read before that several days had gone by before the farmer found a buck on his land.
I dont think anyone is saying that if the hunter who shot the animal doesn't find the animal...... When your buddies are helpling you track a wounded deer it's pretty obvious that the deer "your buddy" found is the deer you shot , by blood trail , warmth of the animal , a description of the buck beforehand , etc.
All I'm saying is I believe the Zaft buck should go into the record books as a "find". They do have a category for that dont they?

BenfromVa

Amen, back at you. You took the words right out of my head. Wayne's shot was more marginal when he "Monday morning quarterbacked" his shot, then it actually was. The buck went down.

Where is the written rule that says a shot must always be "picture perfect" to be taken and to be lethal. Nor is there a rule that says a deer must always be killed by a perfect release and a perfect shot to validate the kill. Such a rule, written or self-imposed, would be stretching ethics beyond practicality and reality, and would be amoral rather than moral.




Edited by - c903 on 12/06/2002 00:17:40

P&Y and B&C are the keepers of the record books. They set the standards for what is and is not a trophy correct? That makes them the referees. If they say it's a scorable rack, then it's all good. That's my opinion.

KEEP IT LEGAL. KEEP IT SAFE. OR WE MAY NOT GET TO KEEP IT AT ALL.

I have read about 6 or 7 different stories about this PICK UP all where sposed to be from Waynes comments and each one of them was a different story.

I have stated before it is a PICK UP and I have not read or seen anything as yet to change my mind.

If it was me that PICKED IT UP then no I would not even think about entering it no matter how much money is involved my pride as a hunter is worth more than that.


Aussie by birth Texan by choice

It's no different than if you had your buddies helping you on a bloodtrail and one of them spotted the dead buck first. The shot could have been better but hey, it happens to the best of us. So it was hard to find and took him a few days, it's all gravey. Yes I would have entered it in pope and young. It was the bowhunter that killed the deer, so he harvested the deer legaly, and as ethicly as he could with ONE SHOT. Great job if you ask me. I wonder how old the buck was?

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It's no different than if you had your buddies helping you on a bloodtrail and one of them spotted the dead buck first. The shot could have been better but hey, it happens to the best of us. So it was hard to find and took him a few days, it's all gravey. Yes I would have entered it in pope and young. It was the bowhunter that killed the deer, so he harvested the deer legaly, and as ethicly as he could with ONE SHOT. Great job if you ask me. I wonder how old the buck was?

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If your buddy follows a bloodtrail to your buck? Your buddy blindly stumbles across your buck , but it's still entact and the innards are still warm?
Theres no difference?
As for your statement &quot;It was the bowhunter that killed the deer&quot;<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle> The jury is still out on that one! There was no forensic evidence to prove the cause of death was anything other than predation!

Lets try this scenario. You made a poor shot on the buck in question. The buck may have lived with adequate recovery time. But while trying to recover , a pack of coyotes ran it down and killed it for their consumption. Now , if you knew this to be the fact because farmer Jones told you he had seen the coyotes kill the buck , would you still claim it for the fame and fortune?


Finally , if just one person would step forward to say that Zaft had described the buck perfectly to them before the farmer found it , all of my doubts on wether or not it should be in the books would be removed.



Edited by - bowfanatic on 12/06/2002 00:08:33

Edited by - bowfanatic on 12/06/2002 00:20:03

Whould I have entered it? NO! I shoot 80% let off. I would let every magazine KNOW that I shot the biggest deer with a bow....but to hell with P&Y.
Should Zaft have entered it? Hell yeah!

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Jeez, let us expand the what ifs! What if, while the buck was running across the open field, a wheel fell off a commercial aircraft flying overhead and hit the deer in the head and killed it? Would you still enter the deer? <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Without the farmer wittnessing it , it's a very possible scenario in Zafts case.

If you dont want to answer the question thats fine , but dont litter the screen with your smart arse replies!