I must be a thread killer

Not yet dead, Dr. Andy. Its beginning to look like this site needs a "Carbon Bashing/Groupie" forum. First off, I have the Scentlok 3D pants and jacket which you can take out the carbon liner. I never wash the carbon liner and try not to 're-activate' it as little as possible. The outer camo clothing gets washed once or twice a year. I don't wear the clothes in hot/warm weather as, at least this set, is better suited for cool/cold weather and I'd be sweating pretty good which would definitely have a negative effect on the carbon. I store the clothes in a scent lock bag. The camo outer shell is the best hunting clothes I've found, for me, carbon liner or not. If I was to design a pants and jacket this set is almost it. So I am completely satisfied with it, whether the carbon works or not. As far as a bunch of technical jargon, I'm not disputing whether its legit or not. I really could care less. EVERY technical data I've seen posted relates to industrial (or such) use of carbon. I've never seen ANY testing done as to whether lower temps (household dryer) can or can not re-activate the carbon contained in these clothes to some degree perhaps being a percentage. I, as well as most people I know that wear scent blocking clothing, have no such fantasy that the clothing is a miracle fabric that will eliminate the smallest ioto of our scent in the presence of a deer. That seems to be what a lot of bashers infer. No such case. What we do believe is that it is another tool we can employ to AID in concealing ourselves. I would also say most of us have hunted without it and had plenty of encounters and interaction with deer to come to some type of valid opinion as to its effects/non-effects. Sightings of more deer, larger deer, and more close encounters without getting winded would cause any sound mind to assess their routines and gear just as not seeing deer or primarily yearlings and getting constantly winded would. When you have a higher percentage of positive field experiences with certain gear you naturally tend to put faith in said gear. Even if its your lucky hat or whatever. So when somebody tells you what you are doing or wearing doesn't work you can only laugh. They can say it a thousand times and a thousand ways but the proof is in the pudding. What gear others use or wear or shoot or whatever or how much they spend, as long as its legal, I could care less. Besides my own experiences with the clothes, I have several friends who wear the stuff and are just as pleased and have had quite similar results. Totally satisfied with their purchase and will purchase again. And it seems the posts I've read on this site alone of people who actually own and have used the clothes, the large majority are also quite satisfied. For anyone who says they own any of it (and has taken care of it) I can only say you should put in the classified section free to anyone who wants to try it. You'll either get a new disbeliever or you may make someone happy. I've given away 2 ready-to-shoot bows, all decent, as well as sights, rests, etc., all for free. I didn't really use so I helped out some fellow hunters. Try it. It feels alot better than pointless arguing.

So it's something you have to have but you only use it under ideal conditions as you don't want to contaminate it. Hmmm.... seems like something I wouldn't have to have. Either it works as advertised or it doesn't. Snake Oil I say.. Snake oil.

david, I'm quite sure scent blocking clothing is something you do not need. As a matter of fact, I don't think ANY of us NEED it. But I don't really NEED camo clothing but I like to wear it. I don't really NEED to wear underwear but I do. Well..... usually. I haven't worn any of the 'light' wear they have and don't really know if its as warm or not so I can't say. Its no different than having a light camo jacket for warm weather and a heavy camo jacket for cool weather. I've thought about getting some of the lighter stuff but here in Texas it gets fairly warm and I feel as though if your are sweating your arse off, there is nothing that's going to help. And we all know under the best circumstances we are only expecting scent blocking clothing to AID, not totally elimate. Also, have you ever owned or actually tried Snake oil? I've been thinking of trying some.

Never tried snake oil myself, but chicken fried rattlesnake is pretty darn tasty.

Or a maybe Carbon True Believers forum where blind faith automatically overrules any scientific fact. [8D]

My personal opinion from what I've taken in on all these scent block threads and from what I've researched... All scent block has going for it is anecdotal stories. No independent scientific studies or lab tests. Just a bunch of guys who believe they see more deer when wearing it than they did when they didn't.

Doesn't occur to them that maybe they just learned to hunt better; or that they might be taking more care with their personal hygiene than before; that there might be a strong updraft in the wind currents between him and the unalarmed deer that appears to be directly downwind of him, or maybe they just got on a roll of good luck and managed to wind up in the right place at the right time. Not a single thing about ANY of their stories proves that they wouldn't have seen just as many deer without the stuff as they did with it, given the same circumstances.

That's not bashing. It's just the way it is. It can't be proved one way or the other.

Really though, if that kind of anecdotal evidence is all that's needed for definitive proof, we'd have long ago been forced to believe that flying saucers, Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster are real.

For those of you who have read the T.R Michels account on carbon clothes it should be pointed out that he in fact owns Eliminator Hunting Clothing and is in direct competition with Scent-lok.

I wonder if he is biased in any way?

Then take the money you would spend on scent elimination clothing and buy you THREE(3) SETS OF CAMO.

I'm pretty sure I don't have as much camo as you but I've got plenty. I use most of it some time or another during the year, including the scentlok. I'm fully aware of the scent lok not working but my skills drastically improve when I wear it.

Kind of like the Rob/Boyer/Enigma groupie club eh! Go ahead and delete away!