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Right now i have a drop away and i was wandering if it is worth the $35-$50 to go get a whiskerbiscut

what do you think

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Here's my opinion.......

It would be similar to purchasing a Rolex and having it bronzed.

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Well said GMMAT.

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I have shot w/a fall away for years. I was at a proshop last week, & shot the owner's bow, which had a WB on it. The arrows had a flat trajectory in a 20yd range. The owner recommended it for hunting, & a fall away for 3-D shoots. I bought a Bowtech Tribute that day & had put a WB on it. I shot about 20 arrrows & 2 tell u the truth, I could not even see the arrows go down range, they were shooting just as flat as my fall away. The one advantage of the WB is that it you don't have to worry about your arrow falling off. Disadvantage is that you may lose a little speed w/the vanes going thru. Obviously due to friction from contact. I did not notice any obvious noise when shooting. I also had a friend listen while I shot, & he didn't hear anything either. Now whether a deer hears it or not, is anyone's guess. I guess it falls onto what is your primary purpose for the bow hunting/leagues. There is a thread here somewhere that recommended using Blazer Vanes w/a WB, which I have heard the same from 2 proshop owners. This is the combo that the proshop owner, I was at, shoots himself for hunting. That is what I went with, & am very happy w/the combo. Some have said that using larger vanes w/the WB tears them up, which is why the Blazers work better. Not only are the smaller, but they seem a thicker, & are supposed to help plane out broadheads better. I guess go to a shop & have them put one on & try it out. Good luck.

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The ONLY advantage I could imagine the WB claiming .....was full arrow containment. I bought a QAD Ultra Rest.....and now I have the best of both worlds.....and none of the noise.

That's been my experience....and I've owned them both.

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did the same thing as our buddy jeff... (went from WB to QAD) Probably the best change i ever made...Not to mention the extra 6-8 fps you'll get... and more consistent accuracy.

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I have owned both and they only difference i really noticed was w/ the drop away their is less noise when i draw....both are very well made rests but drop aways seem to be quieter

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i also have a QAD ultar rest hunter and love it...i would never go back to the WB...just my 2 cents

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QAD Ultra Rest LD here also... Love it.. ditched my wb for it

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I was going to bite my lip on this one but what the heck.

I think dropaway restsare the biggestscenario of "snake oil" this industry has seen for quite some time.

First of all for hunting, any fixed position full containment rest in my opinion is going to be more durable than any drop away mechanical rest. Less moving parts is always better in the woods..........K.I.S.S. Second a spring steel type rest for target specific purposes is going to so much more consistent and are extremely forgiving. Unless your blade is bent or broken, there are noproblems. Especially with cable driven drop aways, what happens when your strings creep a bit? How does this affect timing of your rest? Does it still hit the full up position then? What if your the dropaway knot on the down cable slips somehow when your in a tournament or in the woods drawing on a big deer?

How many of you shoot your bow from the same spot in the valley every time? I bet you all think you do, but honestly this is probably one of the biggest problems most shooters have with consistency, even when under ideal shooting conditions indoors. Add in variables such as weird shot angles, downhill shots, and other scenarios where you have to use less than ideal form I think a lot of you would be surprised at where your cam is in relation to the "full draw" position when the shot is executed. This is one of the easiest things to mess up in a shot sequence, even with a draw stop peg. I would be willing to bet my next paycheck that 99.9% of the shooters here (myself included) if on video through their shot sequence with the camera focused close up on the cam at full draw, or the arrow on the rest, you will see movement in the valley throughout the shot sequence, and actual shot execution happening at different places in the valley. What does this do to your dropaway that doesn't hit the full upright position until you hit the draw stop?

These are the reasons I like a fixed position rest for everything, full containment for hunting (I now have a biscuit on my bengal) and a spring steel 1 hole TT on my target bow. The accessory manufacturers have done a good job making the public feel a drop away is a better rest and more forgiving, but in reality I still don't see any advantage whatsoever.Sometimes people need to change equipment and feel they found something that makes them shoot better but in reality the problems they face is with their consistency as a shooter. I feel a whisker biscuit or other fixed position full containment type rests are a scape goat for peoples shooting mistakes. The limb driven style rests such as the limb driver, etc are better, but they are still a drop away with moving parts and a long cord to get caught up and tangled while in the woods.

So how many of you have taken video of what your rest is doing during your shot sequence? How many of you have seen your drop away move at full draw? I have............that's why I don't shoot them anymore.




In short, for your hunting bow I would not have a drop away. I would have a biscuit.

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I shoot a WB, I've never noticed the noise that alot of people talk about. I am strictly a hunter, though. If I shot 3d, I would probably take a hard look at a drop away. Several of my friends shoot drop aways, both serve the purpose.

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The great debate wears on us always..

Rednecksteve, go ahead and try both the rests out. See which one suits your own needs better.. than buy it.

I have never tried a drop-away but know of them very well. They're a great rest. I love the fact that you can eliminate as much as 4" from your arrow so you could gain speed and shoot a flatter trajectory. Simply put.. that's awesome.

But I have shot the WB for the last 3 seasons now. At times I have even thought of switching to a drop-away. Honestly, AT TIMES, I did have a little inconsistency in arrow flight (not much but a little). Before this last season started I tried the Blazer vane. WOW.. what a differance that it has made. I now have not had but 1 arrow (and I shoot often) shoot off inconsistently because of the WB. (me on the other hand, that's another story).

I like to keep things simple when deer hunting-NO working parts on my bow. I hunt from both the ground and the tree. I don't even want to think about my arrow (and I don't) when I am out in the woods hunting. The WB is not for everyone. It's not a miracle rest, it won't help you shoot better. But on a properly tuned bow with the right arrow, Blazer vanes, and a hankering to kill deer.. the WB can be deadly.

If it were not for the WB, I don't believe I would have successfully made the stalk I did Nov. 11th this past year-PERIOD.;)

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I prefer a Trophy Taker drop away as my arrow leaves the bow with no fletching contact. I do 90% of my bowhunting from a treestand and arrows falling off of my rest is not something that happens to a bow just sitting in my bowholder waiting for a shot. If I was crawling around on my belly stalking game out on the plains out west I would go with a drop away that provides full containment like the QAD ultrarest. If you are going to shoot a WB, switch to Blazer vanes as they hold up to the WB much better than other vanes. I shoot Blazer vanes and just about everybody on all of the archery forums are shooting Blazers too. They simply are a great, durable vane.

Rick, quick question. If we are not anchored at full draw exactly the same each time we shoot, regardless of the rest, the arrow is leaving the bow inconsistantly due to the cam cycle not being positioned the same; correct???

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You shooting Aluminums or Carbons?? I sell ya a brand new unopened WB for aluminum arrows for $25 and ship free (in US).. Can provide pics PM if interested.

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BBM.....it's all in what arrows you shoot. I found out after I got rid of my WB....that the Radial X-Weaves were the loudest arrows (when drug across the bristles). I know that others aren't as noisy....and some are silent (My son's friend had some that were 'coated' and absolutely silent).

Rick....you hurt my head. I don't think about any of that stuff when I shoot.....yet I hit what I'm looking at a lot of the time. I don't know what a valley is.....other than a space between two mountains.

Moving parts???? Some people forget that the WB is aptly succeptible to being knocked out of place (just like a sight could be). It's not fool-proof.

It's a good rest. It's not for me.

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I have a WB on my bow now. I like that it holds the arrow, but it is starting to mess up my fletchings. I was looking ata Quicktune 360 at Cabelas on Sunday. Has anybody used one?

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nohillbilly ... I will be when my bow comes in. My good friend uses one and he loves it. Neither of us seem to be able to find a problem with it. 0 vane contact, full capture ..... seems like a perfect combination of the 2 rests:)

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I love you drop away guys.. really...[8D]

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I use an apa ultimate here. Full arrow continment as well as zero fletching contact. Its a great simple rest and is made by the shop i deal with so i shop local. :) Once my buds at home saw my rest they all switched over and have been laughing ever since. I personally never liked the concept of the wisker biscuit. Yes it may be great but i do not like the fact of anything touching the fletching. It's a confidence thing and i am 100% confident with the apa so thats whati take to the field with.

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Hey....almost forgot....

If you WB guys are dead-set on these things......FUSE is making one, now.

Just an FYI

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I have a WB and i like it. I have had on for years and i always will like.

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Just can't stand the thought of all that fletching contact with the WB. I shoot a fall away, but would go to a prongy type rest if the drop away didn't exist before I'd buy a WB.

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My hunting buddy uses the WB and usually gets him a buck every season. He gets really excited and shakey so its a good call for him.

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They have contact but you would never know becuase of how good they shot. I love mine, touch can go wrong on a drop away.

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Great post Rick James. I love my WB, don't like all the moving parts on the dropaways. Too much room for failure, same reason I like fixed blades over mechanicals. Those old pron rests worked excellent for years and now in most peoples minds they suck...

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Thanks for yalls input
im going to go up to the basspro shop to and test thim out
i think i may get a WB
i like the fack if what one person said about less moving parts and being abel to hold the arrow

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I had a WB and didn't like it at all. I now use a Muzzy Zero Effect which I really like.

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Wow.....one of these threads again...sigh....Ok, here is my .02

For hunting I don't think there is a better rest out there than the Whisker Biscuit. It does however need to be set up correctly with the correct size opening for the arrows you are shooting, it's not hard to do but if done wrong you will get excessive noise and fletching wear. If set up correctly, you won't. I shoot el cheapo 4in vanes through mine with no damage at all.

Two things I like the most about the rest is:

1. It's simple, once set it's set, and will not come out of adjustment short of dropping your bow from your tree stand. No cables to adjust or stretch, no springs to fail, no timing issues, noservinglines into your cable, no need formoleskinor rubber bumpers to keep it quiet,it's pretty full proof.

2. It contains the arrow. If Iread one morepostregarding "I don't have a problem with my arrowsfalling off of my bow when I draw" or something to that fact, I'm going to puke! I don't (and never did) have a problem with my arrows falling off when I draw either even when I shot aflipper rest!

I like the containment aspect for when I'm NOT drawing. I keep my bow in my hand at all times. I don't want to get caught with my pants down (so to speak) reaching for my bow because I didn't see that deer sneak up on me. Ilay my bow on my lap with my hand on the handle at all times If I move or reposition, the arrowstays put. Some drop aways contain the arrow but they are loose and rattle if moved. Sure it didn't come off of the rest, but how much noise did it make?......Well there is always moleskin.:eek:

Some drop aways have this little gizmo that you have to stick to the shelf,and you push your arrow in to keep it from moving, but you have to do that everytime you draw then let down and what happens when it comes un-glued at the wrong time?

Bottom line, the Whisker Biscuit is it's a very reliable, simple, accurate and durable hunting rest. I never worry about my arrow being where it's supposed to be from the time I nock it to the time I trip the release, no matter what I have done in between.

Both great rests, one is a better hunting rest.....my .02

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I really shot mine when i shot 3d during the summer. it works good for me and i wll all the time.

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I love my QAD ultra.

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The WB is a GREAT hunting rest...........period. It is simple, solid, and more accurate then most guys in this forum are capable of being. Like has already been said in this thread......the WB is a convenient scapegoat for people that are looking to blame a piece of equipment instead of finding the real problem.

I have shot prong rests, drop aways and the WB. The WB wins hands down for hunting IMO. I don't like hanging my bow on a hook that I have to reach for.......too much motion IMO. I prefer to just lay my bow across my stands front rail and pick it up when I am ready to roll. I don't know of any drop away that can do that without the arrow rattling around in the forks/arrow holder........and I don't trust ANYTHING that is glued to my bow. I had one of those rubber arrow holders fall right off in the woods one day.

The rest must be properly tuned as with any other rest.........but once it is you are golden..........no moving parts and nothing to constantly adjust. Just a steady, solid performer.

Noise is a non issue..........I have never had a deer even flinch when I drew.......and there is no moleskin anywhere on my bow. Speed loss is a non issue. I have shot through a chrono to test and my results were 1-2 fps.......that is meaningless. I use 2" Blazers and the only times I refletch is when I get bored with the colors. I did an experiement a while back and posted pics in the technical forum showing how tuning of the rest has DRAMATIC effects on vane wear. A properly tuned rest and bow will not eat up vanes in my years of experience shooting thousands of shots through this rest.

I think the best compliment I can give the WB is that I never even think about it..........EVER. It is that reliable. I know that if I do everything right it won't let me down.

This is NOT meant to put down other rests in any way. Most perform well.......and surely well enough to kill a deer. I just think that with all things considered for hunting the WB offers the most complete package.

Like bows.........whatever you feel most comfortable with is probably what you will shoot the best.

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Atlas, I can do all of that with my QAD. I Have put hundreds of shots throught it between spots league last year and 3d all summer. I used it all hunting season and am using now for winter league. I have had it in the rain and the cold without a problem.

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dropaway, I don't care which kind

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I like the idea behind the QAD rest but it has 2 things I don't like. Moving parts and too much room for the arrow to rattle around in.

This is a picture of a QAD rest at full draw.........how can you go from a horizontal position to shot ready without having to be careful the arrow doesn't rattle around in all that space?





Over the last 4 years if my WB has less then 20,000 shots through it I would be shocked. I did change biscuits once (not from wear but from older to new model) It has been through the weather gauntlet as well.

I never said the QAD was a bad rest...........in fact, I think the number of actual "bad" rests out there is probably pretty small..........I just listed some reasons why I feel the WB is a better choice for hunting.

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Good points atlas.

Do you think there is enough moleskin on that rest!:eek:
What happens when that stuff gets soaked? does it slow the drop speed?

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Big12 I tested my QAD
Soaked it in water, froze it(put it in the freezer for 4 hours then shot it)

no issue I do this with all my rest.

Either will get the job done, good luck!

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Germ,

I wasn't questioning if the rest will work, I'd like to think it was constructed to do so, I was wondering how the rest reacts with a load of water soaked into the moleskin?

I remember the PWB days (Pre Whisker Biscuit) when my bow was covered with the stuff and it did soak up the water. I remember the moleskin on my shelf would freeze if it got wet and the temp dropped.

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I have. I've been in here before....and stated my experience with the rest and the buck that went on full alert when it heard MY arrow being drug across the bristles. I was attempting to draw on a buck that was 27 feet from me....in the silent Winter air. The CAP (Carolina Archery Products - makers of the WB) website even has a section devoted to the noise the WB makes.....and tells of remedies. To say the thing doesn't make noise is being delusional. It makes noise. The mfg. admits to it.....even if the fanatical fans, won't.

I prefer a bow hook....and use one, exclusively....unless I guess I'd happen to be sitting down (which I try to avoid). Anyways....why in the world couldn't you just put your finger over the arrow until you got it into a vertical position (semi-vertical, even). I have the same piece of moleskin I put on my rest the day I put it on in mid-November '05. It worked just fine, this year.

If you're interested in a WB....like I've always said....it's a great rest. It makes noise, though.....and the manufacturer of the rest KNOWS IT.....and eludes to it on their website. Go see for yourself.

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I soaked the moleskin also and shot it, all good!!.

This rest works on velocity of the arrow to set it off. I understand now what your asking.:)

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Yes right now it is the only thing I will use especially for hunting if you need a arrow nocked for a period of time it is a must I hunt spot stalk and ground blind it is a must for me and I think it shoots alittle better the only small disadvantage is that you will tear the tips of normal fletching up a little sooner than a drop away but I use the best BLAZER VANES invincible;)try it