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Old 01-11-2007 | 08:43 AM
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Well Greg maybe your just giving yourself too much credit. He may not be jealous at all, he may just think your a douche bag, and that would lead him to act the way he does.
This, coming from a guy who thinks that because you have a picture of your deer near a picture of your loved ones means that you think of the deer as human. What planet are you from? Do you think that anyone can take you seriously, after comments like that? As Germ said... Grow up.
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Old 01-11-2007 | 10:56 AM
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This kind of stuff doesn't interfer with my hunting, I know I've done nothing wrong. It's just that it amazes me at how worked up people get over someone elses deer! The weirdest one for me, was a year and a half after shooting my 14 pointer. My ex-brotherin law pulled up to my house one day in April and tells me that he heard two guys talking at a bar. He heard them say that the game wardens came and confiscated my deer. I guess for shooting it at night. I told him that I've never even talked to a game warden and that the mount is hanging up in the house. So I showed him.We don't even know the guys that were saying it!?? Amazing.

Don't forget that before labeling someone as "jealous" you really need to know more details then what you wrote above. For all you know those guys could be the coolest most un-jealous people in the world and they could have just been discussing a story relayed to them by someone else. All it takes is 1 jealous person to start a rumor..........all the people he tells it to are just vehicles for his jealousy (perhaps unknowingly).
Atlas that is a hell of a point, but if they really do not know the facts they should keep quite. Now they are just spreading lies, plain and simple. I had it happen to me at the club, at least the person ask me, kind of[&:].

He ask me how much my ticket was, LOL Becasue I did not make V-slits on my tag.[&:]

Just like your post that got locked, no sense saying a word unless you know. I know you were just asking!
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Old 01-11-2007 | 11:02 AM
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HNI did shut down Atlas hard on that rumor post. Sans the sag. Sometimes you have to watch Judge Judy to learn a lesson on hearsay.
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Old 01-11-2007 | 11:53 AM
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So I tend to believe that if every deer were a slick head we would have way different opinions on hunting. In fact a trophy would be viewed as how much did it weigh?
A lot of the horn stuff has to do with where and how you were weaned into bowhunting... well any hunting. All the folks up here I hunt with in Upstate NY grew up on wild game. The first question is and always has been, how much did it weigh? I think a lot of folks grew up on Bill Jordan and Primos videos and it was always horns. The horn craze is a product of our times. Most, although some do, do not need the meat to live. They could care less if it weighs 130 or 200 as long as it's got big horns. It's a lot to do with the times. If you live in an area where a lot of macho big deer and macho horns come from, well sure... I guess the horns are the tie breaker so to speak. A deer dressing at 200+ doesn't seem to matter if people all around are shooting them. We'll never get past the horn size. Heck, people are planting and feeding them so they'll have big horns and more deer with them. It's the times and where you live. I've never measured anything and don't really care to.... but that's me. I have no problem with those that want to as long as they don't try to force feed their standards on the rest of us.

I think to a lot of the jealousy comes from the stage your hunting life is in. People, for whatever reason, that don't get many deer or chances to hunt will generally early on be a little awe struck with folks that get them. Then when they still come up dry while the other guy succeeds, they get antsy and probably a little envious. It's at this point that the people are separated by themselves. You know, when the jealousy becomes maddening to some and others will say, oh well, maybe me next time. That's when character kicks in.
alright here I go: I am a victim of this and I'm not going to lie about it. I was raised in the Bill Jordan, Primos era. That's what I was brought up on. I learned how to hunt through these videos. It may be sad that's the way I learned to hunt, but I was kind of on my own. My brother helped me a little and my dad took me out once in a while, but everything I learned that based my knowledge on hunting mostly came from these videos. From the first time I watched Monster Bucks of North America (the first monster bucks video) when I was about 5 I've always wanted to shoot deer with huge racks. I can't explain it, it's an addiction. I know there are a lot of people who hunt for any deer that will walk through the woods to them, and I have absolutely no problem with that. Do I wish more people would have my views on trophy hunting? Yeah that's only natural because if I want to kill deer with bigger racks other people have to want that too in order to manage an area to produce these types of genetics. Now here's the difference. I never force my views on anybody. I want to kill deer with big racks, that's just me. But if other guys don't care what they shoot, that's their deal. That's how they hunt and there's nothing wrong with that. IMO if you're in the woods having a great time enjoying the spirit of the outdoors, that's awesome. People are different. I like shooting deer with big racks, that's what I like. If another guy likes shooting any deer, that's great too. But it's ok to be different. It's ok for one person to shoot whatever is walking through the woods at him be it a monster or a small doe and anything in between. Just as it's ok for me to want to hunt deer with monster racks. I kill my fair share of does each year as well, and yeah I hunt for meat too. I'm a college kid, so butchering deer myself provides me with plenty of almost free food for my year at school saving me money. I hunt for a big buck until mid december, then once muzzleloader rolls around I start shooting does for meat. Because of how I am, I won't shoot a smaller buck just because I'd like to see him bigger next year. But I do hunt for meat. I find myself laying on both sides of the fence here because a lot of times you get stuck between guys who either "meat hunt" or "trophy hunt". I guess I would consider myself as doing both. Either way, no matter how you like to hunt, if you love the outdoors and are passionate about hunting, that's AWESOME! I totally respect almost, and yeah I said almost all deer hunters. They are the finest people in the world as far as I am concerned!
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Old 01-11-2007 | 12:50 PM
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people who are jealous are the people that blow at hunting in my eyes...people that cant kill anything maybe...

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Old 01-11-2007 | 02:20 PM
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I skimmed through this post and found a couple things to comment on.

I've seen Greg H's posts on here. Many time he has pics of a deer he is after or watching. He probably carries a camera when hunting and scouting. ( I like seeing his photos)

He's the kind of guy that takes lots of pictures and tries to learn what he can about a paticular buck or all bucks for that matter. He has a passion about hunting and big bucks and carries a little of that with him at work.

There's nothing wrong with having a picture or two or three at your work station. ( I have pics of my moose at mine) That's what he likes. Some guys like Nascar and have Nascar stuff at their work station. Some have a Hot Rod they worked on and have a pic of it at their's.

People are into different things. I don't see aproblem with a photo of a deer beside the photo of a wife, girlfriend, son, daughter or what have you.

I'd think that after studying a certain buck and spending all that time until I laid the smack down on him, I'd have a pic of him hanging up at my work station also.

Greg H. takes a lot of photos and probably likes hang a few up once in a while. More power to him.

For a coworker, to constantly make remarks about it after 3 years is a little much. The guy is obviously jealous and would probably have pics hanging up if his son got the buck.

I just don't see a big deal about someone having a pic of a buck beside a pic of his girl friend and son. I don't see Greg doing it to spite the coworker.

People need to grow up!


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Old 01-11-2007 | 02:42 PM
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Now here's the difference. I never force my views on anybody.
I didn't mean that part about forcing views on you by any means. Sorry if you got that impression. I was specifically thinking of another resent thread where(can't remember who) started out by saying he couldn't believe anyone would shoot a deer under 130 inches. You know, how could you etc etc etc. He also listed a bunch of our long standing members and wanted to know a good reason for them doing it. He's one of a small group that apply the same tactics. I didn't mean you at all. Sorry bout that.

And JB... man you're off base a bit boy about Greg's picture.
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Old 01-11-2007 | 06:20 PM
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They could have been 2 thirsty bank robbers too.


I don't see your point...........this thread is about jealousy and you brought them into it. Clearly you viewed them as jealous. All I said is they could be the coolest guys ever and some jerk could have just told them that story and they were discussing it with no malice intended..........assuming they had other motives without more details is no better or worse then them assuming you did what the story alleged without more details.


A lot of strange occurances stick in my memory, I don't investigate them all, down to the last detail. Just the ones that are important to me.


If it sticks in your memory..........it is important to you.......for one reason or another.

Supposedly, his son missed the deer a week or 2 before I shot it. Believe me, it was all about the deer. He was jealous that I got the deer and his son didn't.
From the story you tell it kinda sounds like he just doesn't like you. Now picture your son missing a deer and some guy you can't stand shoots it............are you gonna be happy?? I doubt it. This guy handles himself poorly, no question...........but it doesn't exactly sound like you two are best friends either. Dislike/anger is not the same as jealousy.
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Old 01-11-2007 | 06:25 PM
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Atlas your being wierd, is it because you got shut down?
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Old 01-11-2007 | 06:35 PM
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Atlas that is a hell of a point, but if they really do not know the facts they should keep quite. Now they are just spreading lies, plain and simple.

That is only true if they were spreading the rumor around the bar or telling a bunch of other people just out of spite. From the story Greg told it was 2 guys at a bar discussing a story (amoung themselves) about a guy they heard did something wrong. Is that REALLY so horrifying??? If your buddy sits down with you to have a couple pops and says he heard a guy down the road clipped a deer at night would you jump up and run away because you didn't know if it was 100% true??.............or is it quite possible that you would stay in your seat and discuss it with your buddy like the 100 other things you will talk about that night. Does that make you a jealous person?


I had it happen to me at the club, at least the person ask me, kind of[&:].

He ask me how much my ticket was, LOL Becasue I did not make V-slits on my tag.[&:]

People like to knock others down a peg...........it's easier then lifting themselves up I guess. Like I have already said...........anyone who is surprised that jealousy exists in deer hunting has never been successful at anything else..........because if they were they would know by now it has nothing to do with deer.


Just like your post that got locked, no sense saying a word unless you know. I know you were just asking!
I still don't understand that one.............I didn't say anything at all about his deer, in fact I was asking because I suspected it was just petty jealousy because if not I would have heard about something substantial by now and I hadn't. The other info I posted was first hand from someone who lives in that county...........which oddly enough got blasted from other people who had no inside information at all and live 2 states away. I am still puzzled about the response that thread got from everyone.
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