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atlasman 01-04-2007 09:02 PM

RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 

ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer

Just doing what your so good at and setting the record straight.
Are you saying the Drury boys are being misleading?


quote]Original: atlasman


Exactly, your grunted, not roared/growled otherwise it would have spooked the immature buck
I guess I just don't see what the big deal is.............the sound I made was not a simple grunt..........nor was it a sound I could easily reproduce with my other tubes (I just tried)........you don't get the pitch changes. I don't have a problem with them calling it a growl or roar or anything else for that matter. It makes a sound that is unique and easy to reproduce and bastardize 1,000 different ways and experiment with in the woods......that gives them the right to slap whatever label they want on it IMO.



which makes my point that it will scare more deer than it calls in
I agree..........if you do it like on the DVD. But in all fairness, the Drury boys don't try to pass this call off as something you should be tooting to every deer that walks by.........They stress the fact that in the right situation it may just give you the edge on a stubborn mature buck. They don't recommend hitting your stand and playing it like a flute and get ready cause here come the deer!!! The call wasn't meant for deer like the ones I used it on........but what the heck, I figured I would try it in the presence of some deer and it got their attention.

Rattling a pair of 170 class antlers would scare every deer near me into the next state as well............but I know guys who say they have had deer come in around here by just light clicks and clacks of smaller racks. That's all I did IMO........just toned it down a notch or two.



any call can imitate the toned down roar/growl.
I don't agree...........it's hard to get the changes in pitch on other tubes.




It's pure marketing as far as the box is concerned but good marketing at that, not unlike Scentloc.
There is a big difference between good marketing and misleading through false information.

Rob/PA Bowyer 01-04-2007 09:09 PM

RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 

ORIGINAL: atlasman


ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer

Just doing what your so good at and setting the record straight.
Are you saying the Drury boys are being misleading?


quote]Original: atlasman


Exactly, your grunted, not roared/growled otherwise it would have spooked the immature buck
I guess I just don't see what the big deal is.............the sound I made was not a simple grunt..........nor was it a sound I could easily reproduce with my other tubes (I just tried)........you don't get the pitch changes. I don't have a problem with them calling it a growl or roar or anything else for that matter. It makes a sound that is unique and easy to reproduce and bastardize 1,000 different ways and experiment with in the woods......that gives them the right to slap whatever label they want on it IMO.



which makes my point that it will scare more deer than it calls in
I agree..........if you do it like on the DVD. But in all fairness, the Drury boys don't try to pass this call off as something you should be tooting to every deer that walks by.........They stress the fact that in the right situation it may just give you the edge on a stubborn mature buck. They don't recommend hitting your stand and playing it like a flute and get ready cause here come the deer!!! The call wasn't meant for deer like the ones I used it on........but what the heck, I figured I would try it in the presence of some deer and it got their attention.

Rattling a pair of 170 class antlers would scare every deer near me into the next state as well............but I know guys who say they have had deer come in around here by just light clicks and clacks of smaller racks. That's all I did IMO........just toned it down a notch or two.



any call can imitate the toned down roar/growl.
I don't agree...........it's hard to get the changes in pitch on other tubes.




It's pure marketing as far as the box is concerned but good marketing at that, not unlike Scentloc.
There is a big difference between good marketing and misleading through false information.
Only according to you and everyone here knows, your never wrong.

MO Archer 01-04-2007 09:10 PM

RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 
As soon as the rest of the bucks get the word about the free corn thing I am gonna buy one of these and play it like a trumpet. But until then it is useless...LMAO

;):D;):D;):D;):D;):D

drhntr178 01-04-2007 09:22 PM

RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 
I called in two bucks during rifle season this year using the buck roar. One was a 2.5 year old seven pointer and the other is dead (see pic below). Both times i did a calling sequence that included a few bleats, soft grunt, and eventually the full blown buck roar as aggressive and loud as i could get.
The seven pointer came in within 1 minute. He was very alert and and looking for the source of the noise. He came from a bedding area and cirlced directly downwind from me, 20yds from my stand,before he realized something wasnt right and went back where he came from. The buck exited a known bedding area and then took a path that ive never seen deer use, just so he could get downwind.
the second buck came in from a staging area off of a food plot. I specifically heard the roar coming from the area he was at two nights prior two me killing him. It was the most awesome sound i've heard in the wild. If anyone has watched the video, the scene from the property in illinois that someone sent in is the exact sound i heard at least 3 times. If i could describe the sound I would call it a roar. I could also hear bucks fighting in that area several times that week. This buck responded in less than 5 minutes coming from downwind and again was very alert and seemed to be searching for the noise. I think the only reason he didnt wind me was because i was 30" off the ground. I shot him at 15 yards.



I think the roar is best used in a sequence of calls (as with any other call). I try to imitate an actual event just as if the deer are there with me.

Germ 01-04-2007 09:23 PM

RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 
Anybody wonder if they just scared the buck of a lifetime off because they just roared, growled, wheezed, canned or grunted.

New Man law

No one can make a toned down growl/roar with a grunt tube, Atlas said so[:-]

atlasman 01-04-2007 09:24 PM

RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 

ORIGINAL: Germ

Atlas I think what Rob is asking is why all of a sudden is everyone hearing the "growl" now. Is because we have a name for it now, or is it all mental.
I'm sure it is both.................and certainly there are gonna be plenty of guys that slap that label on any grunt they hear out of the ordinary. I HIGHLY doubt we know each and every sound a deer makes and why.............assuming that would be silly. They don't even have a grasp on human behavior yet and some scientists will readily admit we may know as little as 5-10% of what actually goes on in the human body.



Rob/PA Bowyer 01-04-2007 09:31 PM

RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 
drh, thanks, had you heard it prior to this particular night? Your the kind of hunter I was looking for in a reply. Had you used the actual roar prior to those two incidents and had you seen any bucks bolt from the call?

LouisianaTomkat 01-04-2007 09:37 PM

RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 
Is there a sound or scent that no one here has ever used? If you can give an example, you may be the next contestant on "The Price is Right!" LMAO

LT

GregH 01-04-2007 09:41 PM

RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 
I prefer mind melds. To some, it may appear that I'm sleeping.

LouisianaTomkat 01-04-2007 09:42 PM

RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 
ROFLMAO, GregH you are one touched personality.LOL I almost spit on my monitor.

LT


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