RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 

Are you saying the Drury boys are being misleading?


quote]Original: atlasman

I guess I just don't see what the big deal is.............the sound I made was not a simple grunt..........nor was it a sound I could easily reproduce with my other tubes (I just tried)........you don't get the pitch changes. I don't have a problem with them calling it a growl or roar or anything else for that matter. It makes a sound that is unique and easy to reproduce and bastardize 1,000 different ways and experiment with in the woods......that gives them the right to slap whatever label they want on it IMO.


I agree..........if you do it like on the DVD. But in all fairness, the Drury boys don't try to pass this call off as something you should be tooting to every deer that walks by.........They stress the fact that in the right situation it may just give you the edge on a stubborn mature buck. They don't recommend hitting your stand and playing it like a flute and get ready cause here come the deer!!! The call wasn't meant for deer like the ones I used it on........but what the heck, I figured I would try it in the presence of some deer and it got their attention.

Rattling a pair of 170 class antlers would scare every deer near me into the next state as well............but I know guys who say they have had deer come in around here by just light clicks and clacks of smaller racks. That's all I did IMO........just toned it down a notch or two.


I don't agree...........it's hard to get the changes in pitch on other tubes.



There is a big difference between good marketing and misleading through false information.

RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 

Only according to you and everyone here knows, your never wrong.

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As soon as the rest of the bucks get the word about the free corn thing I am gonna buy one of these and play it like a trumpet. But until then it is useless...LMAO

;):D;):D;):D;):D;):D

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I called in two bucks during rifle season this year using the buck roar. One was a 2.5 year old seven pointer and the other is dead (see pic below). Both times i did a calling sequence that included a few bleats, soft grunt, and eventually the full blown buck roar as aggressive and loud as i could get.
The seven pointer came in within 1 minute. He was very alert and and looking for the source of the noise. He came from a bedding area and cirlced directly downwind from me, 20yds from my stand,before he realized something wasnt right and went back where he came from. The buck exited a known bedding area and then took a path that ive never seen deer use, just so he could get downwind.
the second buck came in from a staging area off of a food plot. I specifically heard the roar coming from the area he was at two nights prior two me killing him. It was the most awesome sound i've heard in the wild. If anyone has watched the video, the scene from the property in illinois that someone sent in is the exact sound i heard at least 3 times. If i could describe the sound I would call it a roar. I could also hear bucks fighting in that area several times that week. This buck responded in less than 5 minutes coming from downwind and again was very alert and seemed to be searching for the noise. I think the only reason he didnt wind me was because i was 30" off the ground. I shot him at 15 yards.



I think the roar is best used in a sequence of calls (as with any other call). I try to imitate an actual event just as if the deer are there with me.

RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 

Anybody wonder if they just scared the buck of a lifetime off because they just roared, growled, wheezed, canned or grunted.

New Man law

No one can make a toned down growl/roar with a grunt tube, Atlas said so[:-]

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I'm sure it is both.................and certainly there are gonna be plenty of guys that slap that label on any grunt they hear out of the ordinary. I HIGHLY doubt we know each and every sound a deer makes and why.............assuming that would be silly. They don't even have a grasp on human behavior yet and some scientists will readily admit we may know as little as 5-10% of what actually goes on in the human body.

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drh, thanks, had you heard it prior to this particular night? Your the kind of hunter I was looking for in a reply. Had you used the actual roar prior to those two incidents and had you seen any bucks bolt from the call?

RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 

Is there a sound or scent that no one here has ever used? If you can give an example, you may be the next contestant on "The Price is Right!" LMAO

LT

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I prefer mind melds. To some, it may appear that I'm sleeping.

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ROFLMAO, GregH you are one touched personality.LOL I almost spit on my monitor.

LT

RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 

Which of my 5 replies was this directed at?

The last 5 plus the last 2924 of your ealier posts.

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Rob, I dont recall ever hearing it before this year. I bought the primos roar and a friend bought the mad growl at the beginning of november just for kicks. I watched both videos and took the call to the woods. I was very hesistant to use it at first. I'm always thinking about the deer i could scare off that were headed my way.
Anyway on an evening hunt w/ a friend who had not seen the videos we heard the roar. It startedout w/ us hearing 2 bucks sparring. Then we heard the roar, which is a sound i'll never forget. We guessed the distance at about 100-150 yards. After that i figured i might as well try it. I wasnt able to call anything in that evening but i did have several does come in the field and they certainly didnt seem spooked.
In the next thee days i used the call two times each set. At no time was a deer in sight so i cant say if i spooked any or not. Anyway I guess i used it a total of 6 times in three days w/ 2 of those sessions being successful.
Like I said before, I believe I heard a full out "roar" that particular evening. It sent shivers up my spine and I showed the video to my friend who hadnt seen it and he agreed that it was exactly what we heard.

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Thanks drh, again, that's the kind of information I'm looking for.

RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 

I never said that............and misquoting people is in very poor taste.

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drhntr178

How long have you been hunting?

RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 

deer hunting-13 years

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Ok thx

drhntr178

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How many guys have ever heard a doe bleat in the woods that sounded like "the can"??

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Regarding the roar...I have heard it one time in my life, about 8yrs ago. It was a mature buck by himself that made it and it freaked me out. To this day, I can hear that sound...I would have bet money it didn't come from a deer if I didn't see him do it. Freaky sound for sure. I don't think its a phenomenon or anything, I just think it is a seldom heard sound...that Drury's capitalized on and got marketed first. More power to them.

I certainly don't hunt in an area with many mature deer, and we have too many does also. So calls don't work that well for me. I have had some success though with them. I wouldn't ever use the roar where I hunt.

Callsobviously work better inareas with good buck to doe ratios, and better numbers of mature bucks. I have grunted in a few deer, and have only rattled inone buck ever...and he came in twice actually. I could see a big buck with a doe about 150yds away, and was trying to get him to come to me. I rattled hard, and in came abig6pt from behind me...and he came in fast and hard...hair standing up and steam coming out of his nostrils....to 10yds right behind me, and he was PISSED! (just like MuzzyMan said)
Honestly it scared me, I was on the ground and he came in from behind ready to roll. I had no defense if I even wanted it. He looked and looked for the fight and finally left.Funny thing is the bigbuck saw him....so I thought it would bring him closer. It didn't, he had his woman I guess and wasn't going anywhere she didn't go.
5 mintues laterand I rattled again hoping the big one may come this time. Same exact thing happened...the 6pt came back again to the same spot and man was he PISSED!I had my m/l at the time, and was ready this time, just in case he got too close. :D

That was an incredibleexperience for me....but it's only worked for me 1 time in probably 15yrs of trying. That was the peak of the rut, and he was absolutely ready. Calls can and do work at the right time that is obvious. I envy the guys that are in areas where calls work on a regular basis. I think it's cool. The growl/roar is definitely a real noise, but obviously seldom heard. I think they just marketed it correctly is why all the fuss. Why did the CAN get so much attention when it came out? Marketing. Well and I guess it didn't hurt with Beatty's kill from using it [8D]

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Oh and in regards to some folks calling that sound an aggressive tending grunt....I totally disagree. I agree with Rybo...it sounds like they want to kill something, and right now. NO WAY that is a tending grunt or anything close. Like I said it was a long time ago and I can hear that sound still today. I had the hardest time explaining it to my friends back then....they just looked at me funny. LOL

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Did it sound the same as the DVD example?

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WV, I feel exactly the same way about the "roar" that i heard. If i hadnt watched the DVD it wouldve scared the crap out of me.

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I haven't seen the DVD, but I did see the Drury's show on TV. If that is the same, then that is the sound. It was VERY loud and kinda eerie. He did it right at dark, standing still with no other deer around at all. I would have loved to have gotten a shot at him...but he was at 50yds. The weird thing is, he was looking right at me...like he knew I was there and he was directing it at me. Definitely an experience I won't ever forget.

Now that I think about it...it was probably around '96 or '97. Haven't heard it since.

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Ok thx learned something new tonight, I am listing to it right now. Sounds like a deer mad grunt to me.

http://www.obsessionarchery.com/buck-growl-mad-calls-p-830.html

Here is the link, download a WMV and listen

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LIKE I SAID IN MY EARLIER POST. I'M PRETTY SURE MY FIRST BOW KILL WAS COMING TO THIS GROWL CALL. HE WASN'T A MONSTER BUT HE WAS THE DOMINATE BUCK IN THIS AREA. I LISTENED TO THIS DEERIN THE BRUSHFOR ABOUT 45 MIN BEFORE I DECIDED TO USE THIS CALL, WHEN I GROWLED HE SHOWED HIMSELF ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. WHO CARES IF IT WORKS OR NOT? IM SURE THERE WILL BE TIMES THAT NO CALL WILL WORK, NONE ARE 100%. I'VE SEEN BIG TOMS BE CALLED IN WITH A SQUEEK LIKE THEY WERE ON A STRING, OTHER'S, WANT COME IN THE BEST CALLER IN THE WORLD.BEING AT THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME IS 100% EFFECTIVE (AT LEAST FOR SEEING DEER) YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO SHOOT TO KILL THEM.

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If I hadn't been in a stand 20ft up and seen him do it....it would definitely have scared the crap out of me too. I would have had no idea what that was.
Of course I was in WV...so I didn't have dozens of monster bucks come running in either when he did it LOL [8D]I'll bet all the dinks tucked their tails though....I know I would have if I was a dink.

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WV how old was the deer you heard it from?

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Germ, the soundI heard was exactly like the "growls/roars" between 4:40-5:05 of the video link you posted.

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Rob..........do you believe Rybo heard his buck roar?

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I would say he was at least 4.5. Big rack, big body...definitely mature. One of the better deer I've ever seen in my deer woods in 20yrs. The weirdest thing about it was he stood in one spot for like 5 minutes staring right at me before he did it. Then stood there about 10 minutes afterwards until I couldn't see him anymore because of the dark. It was freaky. I stayed in my stand 1/2 hr after dark until I was sure he was gone.

I can't listen to the sound on the DVD because the pc I'm on right now has no sound.

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Here is my ?, I think the drury's got it wrong(IMO) The deer in the video and the one's you heard(shot) are not Dominant bucks. Is the deer making the noise to challenge for dominance? If so why did all those dinks come in on the video?

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Yes I did atlas, I've posted it on here way back when I shot it, and again in this thread. All the events that unfolded beforeme atthat time were the coolest thing I've ever experienced in the woods. The intensity the big buck went at the little buck with and the noises he let out were awe inspiring. Like nothing I've ever seen before

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Rybo yours was the dominant buck in your area correct?

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Well I've had some pretty good luck with "the can" and the true talker, but when I used the roar, the deer were gonzo! But, if I threw corn on the ground everytime I blew through the thing - eventually they'd come running over to me too...

RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 

I know that you believe that is what you heard..........I am just wondering if Rob agrees.

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Germ
I do believe he was, there were some other nice ones around, but I don't think they could have given him too much of a challenge.

RE: Deer Vocalizations, The Roar/Growl Phenomenon
 

IMO the bucks come to the call for the same reason they respond to rattling. Some want to fight and some want to watch what is going on.

The bucks in the video definitely seem like dominant, or the most aggressvie bucks, in each frame. Whydo you think they are not dominant bucks. And as to the buck i shot, he weighed in at 200lbs on the hoof, scored 132" w/ a broken brow tine that would have put him at 137", he was aged at 4.5. he was also the biggest buck i had seen out of 16 i had seen in six days of hunting that week on the same farm. And he very well could have been the dominant buck, but i dont think you can tell that just from a pic.

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I don't think a buck needs to be dominant to make the noise, I think dominant bucks are more prone to make it. All I think needs to be isa situation where the buck is REALLY agitated and ticked off. Or some other highly charged mindset.

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The Growl/Roar is not just a Dominate buck thing, I have seen a 6pt make it. It is a Deer Vocalization! And Dominate Buck and Biggest Buck are not necessarily the same Buck!

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I have,quite a few times. Why?