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I don't think what I heard from the buck I shot was acually the "growl", but like Dan said I just call it that because that what people call it now.

I don't own one on those calls and probably never will. I don't see it working in the woods I hunt because the low number of mature bucks.

I think the new calls are good marketing. Not good enough for me though.[8D]

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Germ, I knew what you were talking about, and understand your method of Hunting where you are completly. I was just razzing on ya a little for the way you explained it. And Jeff it sounds like your ken folk is a pretty smart fella, which was a point I was trying to make on previous post, these things arn't magic, it takes some experience or knowledge on the users part to be successful, you can't just wounder out in 10,000 acres of forest slinging piss, and blowing yanke doodle dandy and expect toscore. In my case, I can tell Davidmill% rate is about 99% off, when a deer is out of your shooting lane and has past you, or crossing a 150 yards out headed in another direction, and I hit the grunt call, and thay stop,Look in the direction the call come from, make a intensional change of direction, and walk up under my stand looking, and I shoot them, that is an intensional act and not an accident!!! Several Bucks I have run into going to my stand and made eye contact with, Blew, and were in the process of getting the he!! out of dodge, when I would blow back and stop them, then call them back in bow range, an accident? I don't think so!

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I have been bowhunting whitetails for almost 30 years. I had a buck right under my tree last season and it made the sound. It wasn't very loud though. That's the only time I have ever heard it.

MC

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The word of free corn spreads fast through the buck population. Please see my sig line for a better explaination.......

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Silver he is talking about game ranches like the Sanctuary. When they feed the deer they blow grunt calls or rattle antlers. When you watch TV show you see a big mature buck come running in, because he thinks it is dinner time, LOL

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I was going to respond too Germ, I think Sliverflicker is reading into many of the posts.[&:]

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Ohoops, I will edit my post!

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Germ hit my nail on the head. I am not trying to get under anyone's skin about anything. Sometimes I try to be funny about stuff. I see nothing wrong with using grunts, cans, decoys, corn, food plots.....you get my point. If it is legal and you feel good about it after the kill then it is ok. No one should judge another man's hunting practices. I just can't buy into the 'Buck Growl' yet. If it works for you please tell me what I am missing out on and doing wrong. Come to MO and I will take you hunting, BBQ for you, and give you beer. Anyone is welcome.

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MO ya need to throw in the emoticons or smileys, unfortunately no one can read emotions in text.....that's just an observation, not advice.

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Ok, I'm guilty, I read into it, and apoloigize to Jake. I like humor too! You all catch me replying to a post I read into, let me know, I'll fix it. I'm here to share stories and Bowhunting experiences, not to offend anyone.

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Lions roar, dogs growl and deer grunt;)

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I always read his name as silver too.............not sure why.

it's sLiverflicker.


Weird.

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Yes I just notice, thx Atlas
Sorry Sliverflocker

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True that!

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LOL That!

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I did...........2 actually.


I don't think it's either. I think it is a good quality grunt tube that is perhaps easier for some to duplicate a longer drawn out call with........and seeing how we don't NEED 99% of the products we buy I would say EVERY deer hunter aimed product has no choice but to use clever marketing or dirt cheap pricing if they want to hit it big.

Bad to the Bone.........Forget the wind, just hunt.........Catch us if you can.........Refuse to follow.........Hot doe-code ROYGBIV-standing-still steamin'-69-end of the line..............Get serious, get Hoyt........We'll make the stand, you take the shot........Regeneration........Speak the Language.........(insert any of the 100 catch phrases of sweaty Teddy)

Clever marketing in a hunting product is about as surprising as grass being green or water being wet.........no surprise to see it attached to a Drury product.

They have to be the only guys out there that can watch a video of another hunter kill a great animal with their bow and then give him a poor grade because he didn't use adequate scent elimination I guess adequate for sponsorship and adequate to hunt are to different things.

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That's hilarious.........not on purpose would be even funnier!!

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I question that, two?

Yet you say you don't have mature bucks. Where are the bucks you Roared/Growled in? No shot opportunities? Do you really know what a Roar/Growl is or did you simply, "grunt" the bucks in?

Please elaborate on what exactly you heard, you can feel free to use the link provided in my other reply on calls and assist if it is not one of the calls available. Again, I have over 25 years in a tree, 20 plus years calling whitetails, I've never heard it so why all of a sudden is it a phenomenon?

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Should I change it to something simple like RackAddict, or AntlerJunkie? One time on a Iron working Job, Thay partnerd me up with a guy that called me Dave for 2 weeks, Finally another buddy of mine says, hay John, and Isaid yeah, My new partner says, His names not John, its Dave! Then he looks at me, I say no its John,he says, why you let me call you Dave for 2 weeks, I start laughing and say I been called worse!!

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That's correct.


I didn't see the qualifier "mature" in your question. I thought you asked if anyone had roared/growled any bucks into bow range.


1 is dead because I shot him.............the other I didn't have a tag for but was broadside at 15 yards.


As much as anyone else I guess..........I used the call just like the DVD instructs you too but I toned it WAY down so it didn't sound like a 200" maniac that no deer within ear shot of me would want any part of.


Perhaps I misunderstood your question.............are you asking if my deer growled back?? If that is what you meant then no, they didn't. They just stopped and changed direction and came to me in response to a low intensity growl. I have been in the woods hunting deer for 20 years and plenty before that when I was too young to hunt and I have never heard a deer "growl" either. I am just trying to relay my first hand experience with using this call (modified to fit the woods I hunt) this year.

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Great question Rob, I have been wondering that myself. With all of the video footage shot in the last 5-10 years, why has noone heard the growl? I guess it is a new breed of deer that startedstarted a new language.

I did see a bioligist on one of the huntin shows talking about it. I think it was a DruryBro. show. So that may explain his answer.He said it was due to the intense management creating more competition between the bucks. Thus they are getting more aggresive with their vocalizations. But to my Knowledge bucks have been aggresive to one another during the rut for a good while.

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I feel your misinformed on what a "roar/growl" is.

I doubt you roared/growled in that immature buck, grunted yes, I would wonder why you even attempt to roar/growl an immature buck.

That's why I started this thread, like you, most people misunderstand exactly what a growl/roar is.....although I have heard only one from a downed buck that wasn't finished, rybo will can elaborate how misinformed you are.

You didn't misunderstand my question, I should have known it didn't growl/roar back...that is rare.

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I agree with this statement mostly. But, the current scent I'm using has been amazing me. I use just scent wicks hung in trees mostly. I can't tell you how many different times I've had bucks come in downwind of me, only to catch wind of it and come in and smell and lick the wick. Its the only scent I've had this type of reaction to so often. I had a small spike once catch wind of a bottle of tinks I stupidly placed on the ground because I was in a hurry. He came in, stuck his nose in it and knocked it over. $10.00, in the ground.:(

The mock scrape, to my surprise has actually worked the last couple seasons. I never did it and was skeptical. I got a dripper on sale before so I decided to give it whirl. Made a scrape, hung it and left it go. To my surprise, the area really got tore up during the rut. Of course it was all done at night as I never seen a buck in it during daylight hours. But, it did get a reaction.

Grunt calls, they're hit and miss for me at least. I missed a really nice buck a few years ago that walked by me out of range. I grunted to him and he came in on a string. Kinda caught me off guard becouse in most cases, my attempts are ignored.

One of the coolest things I ever seen while bowhunting was while rattling. A very large, chalk white 8 pointer came crashing through the woods while I rattled. He scared the crap outta me when he came exploding into view in front of me. Hair was stood up on the back of his neck, walked stiff legged up to a bush and thrashed the heck out of it. Of course, I was shaking like a leaf in the tree.

I think a lot of the success of these types of things really depends on the area, deer density and buck/doe ratio. Our ground has quite a few mature animals. So, I think its the main reason why I've had deer respond more to calls and scents.

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Does anyone here Believe they have tried/done everything a deer does to communicate with another deer? Can we honestly speculate that we know everything a deer knows and does to communicate with another deer? I believe that if we all knew every aspect of a deer's communication/vocab, there would be a heckuva lot more trophy "takers" and a lot less trophy "hunters". This is just MHO and I am in no way,shape or form affiliated with Drury Bro.'s or Will Primos.LOL Although I do know a few folks around here that look sorta like Will.LOL

LT

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;)

I would like to see video of 1.5 year getting "roared" at to see what happens.

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Ranks right up there with carbon clothing and scents. Gimmicks and a waste of money. It just reminded me of another gimmick call that has passed with time; Knight and Hales fighting purr turkey calls sold about 10 years ago.Two big aweful sounding box calls that came with an instructural tape. You basically went back and forth with both of these calls and made a loud ruckuss that scared every animal in a 3 mile area. Yea, I was a sucker and bought them:eek:

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I took the "growl" from the Drury DVD and toned it way down so it didn't sound like a monster. Call it whatever you want........but it wasn't a run of the mill grunt. I think you are getting too hung up on the name.


You asked......I answered.

Again, I think you are too hung up on the name "growl" and "roar". Watch the Drury DVD........that is the exact sound I used only toned down so it didn't sound like it was coming from a grizzly bear with antlers.


Because I wanted him to come close enough for me to shoot...........which he did..........I can't think of a better reason then that.

I think you have me confused with someone who cares (about the name)..........what I mean by that is you can call it whatever you want and it won't matter to me. I don't care if is a real growl or roar........the name on the box is absolutely meaningless to me. I couldn't care less what label anyone wants to put on a noise................as long as the deer stops and comes my way to check it out. So call it a growl, roar, snarl, huff, puff, hoot, hollar, yell, scream...........whatever. The name of the sound is useless to me.

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Oh I would never confuse you with someone who cares.

Thanks, you made my point.

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Yea...........if I laid into that call like the Drury boys do.........every single deer in the county would break it's legs running away.

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So kind of like a long draw out tending grunt, with a little extra kick to it in certain parts?

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IMHO stay with the good ol grunt call and snort wheeze or in fact i like to just go silent a lot of times;)

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Rob, back in the early 80's I watched a booner for 20 minutes from my stand, after rubing several trees, He went back overand stood about 15 to 20 yards inside the edge of the wood line, only raiseing and lowering his head to get a look out into the bean field. When a smaller Buck chased a Doe out of the Corn field into the Bean field, the Booner let out a Loud Aggressive Grunt, (Roar/Growl) and took of at a gate, doing what some call a tending grunt every other step, 5 times!and chased the younger Buck and Doe back into the Corn field. Now Grunt calls came into the picture sometime later, around 84 or 85. Up until that time some of us were doing deer Vocalizations by mouth, I for one was glad because it made my sinus and throat sore, Plus I could not imitate the Roar (not loud or ruff enough) by mouth. After playing with the new grunt calls I could do the loud aggressive grunt by cupping bouth hands over the end of the call, at the beginning of the grunt (lower), and uncupping them at the end of thegrunt (higher with an "erra" on the end). Now Me, and several of my friends and Family have been useing this grunting sequence for at least 20 years. It's not new, just new to some. Hope this helps.

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I don't get the "gimmick" or "waste of money" label for this one (and believe me I throw those terms around a lot).

The call was $15 and it is a very nice grunt tube that is well made. If used as nothing more then a grunt tube it is still well worth the $15. If you use it to make the drawn out "growl" and don't like it or get a poor response then you still have a perfectly good grunter. That is not a scam IMO.

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I knew you were gonna say that............which is why I clarified my statement immediately after typing it ;)

So this whole thread is about objecting to the name growl/roar??

Why do you care what they call it?

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It's not very easy describing a sound................it has more pizzaz then a tending grunt though.

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Agreed. Nice sounding grunt tubes are worth that.

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Just doing what your so good at and setting the record straight.

Exactly, your grunted, not roared/growled otherwise it would have spooked the immature buck which makes my point that it will scare more deer than it calls in and any call can imitate the toned down roar/growl. It's pure marketing as far as the box is concerned but good marketing at that, not unlike Scentloc.

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Ok I just down loaded video and watch it. Sounds like a pissed off grunt to me, kind of like when Dad said "hey jr", if I did not respond I got the one I would listen too.

Just like "the can" fate once everyone starts blowing it in the woods it will be useless IMO.

Atlas I think what Rob is asking is why all of a sudden is everyone hearing the "growl" now. Is because we have a name for it now, or is it all mental.

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They're in the business of selling us this stuff, if they called it the new improved 2006 model grunt tube nobody would buy it. Marketing comes up with a catchy name and it sells. Does it work? $15, buy one and find out ,if it doesn't work put it in the box with all the other stuff you've bought that didn't work,calls,fishing lures (wow! fishing lures now there's a racket!)