Are we really hunting anymore?
#11
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I am intrested to know what weather conditions were when you took those 3 bucks in their beds. I would imagine that a fresh snow is easier to stalk 'cause you're just following fresh prints to their ends whereas stalking in dry conditions would be a great deal harder.
I'm certainly not ready for this type of hunting yet as I'm still relatively new to this but I'd like some tips for the future. Please share. Thank you.
I'm certainly not ready for this type of hunting yet as I'm still relatively new to this but I'd like some tips for the future. Please share. Thank you.
#12
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: NY
ORIGINAL: laxdad
find a trail set up a tree stand and wait for them to come. Everyone seems to be in the trees in ambush mode these days, the extreme being rattling dem horns and shooting over feeders.
find a trail set up a tree stand and wait for them to come. Everyone seems to be in the trees in ambush mode these days, the extreme being rattling dem horns and shooting over feeders.
Some background, I'm 71 years young. I started with a 25# longbow on Christmas day of 1946 at the age of 11. I learned to hunt by tracking and stalking rabbits in the snow to an optimumdistance of 3 to 6 paces, (11 year old's) and shot only if I got that close without jumping them. They were needed to supplement the family larder so it was more than just a game to me. I killed a lot of rabbits in the next few years but what was most valuable to me wasthat I was devloping the skill to read sign, stalk, shoot, in other words, hunt.Those early years are what allowed me to track and stalk 5 whitetail bucksto their beds, three of which I took, one I nicked a branch that I had overlooked causing a clean miss and the other Iwatched for an hour because it was too thick to get an arrow through, all the while hoping he would get up and come out in my direction. He didn't...All 5 bucks were within 15paces and 1 was 8 1/2 paces. (adults) There were also many others that were taken while in their normal routine of nibbling and walking around at midday.
There's no question that it's easier and less complicated to throw a stand up in a tree and sit in wait but there is nothing to compare with going one on one on the ground. Those 5 deer gave me the greatest hunting thrills of my life. I recommend it to all of you.
Take away our toys and we would be wallpapering our houses with tags.
Don't know if that is good or bad or right or wrong........but I do know it is true.
#13
ORIGINAL: atlasman
Take away our toys and we would be wallpapering our houses with tags.
Take away our toys and we would be wallpapering our houses with tags.
I spend a ton of time on the ground and understand that true still hunting is a lot harder than people think. It takes too much control not to move fast and to pay attention.
#16
I enjoyed the gentlemans post and look forward to more from him.All of us young,old,experienced,inexperienced want to learn more to understand more and so on.I have tremendous respect for those that can stalk deer and consistently kill them with any weapon,much less archery equipment.
In the high pressure area's I typically archery hunt I am very reluctant to bump a mature buckfrom his bedding area.There are to few mature bucks in my area's to run the risk of letting one know that I am hunting it.I find it enough of a challenge to consistently put big deer on the ground.
In the high pressure area's I typically archery hunt I am very reluctant to bump a mature buckfrom his bedding area.There are to few mature bucks in my area's to run the risk of letting one know that I am hunting it.I find it enough of a challenge to consistently put big deer on the ground.
#17
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From: Finger Lakes, NY/Mass
MonsterBuckDreams,
Of the 5 bucks that Ireferred to above,3 were tracked in the snow andone I picked up in the mud of a picked corn field and tracked him up the edge ofstream to his bed. Kind of a print here, someoverturned leaves there, another print with water still seeping in, etc.. Total distance about 400 to 500 yards. He was the one I missed. The other was not really a tracking job. I was still hunting through a small woodlot, maybe 80 acres, with a very strong wind blowing. I was moving verrry slowly when I came to a blowdown. I eased my way around it studying everything in about a 300* arc when I noticed something different. I really didn't know what it was but it caught my attention. I kept looking away from the object and back again several times and finally I realized I was looking at the eye of a deer. After several more minutes I could make out his head and shoulders but his rack was not visible through the brush and saplings so I moved slowly to a position where I could get a good look at him but still could not get an arrow in there. He was the one that eventually walked away.
Somethingthat I noticed in all of the deer that I've seen asleepis thata thin membrane comes down over the eye like an eyelid. However it's transparent or transluscentnot opaque. It seems as though they rely on sound and smell during this period and not sight, (their ears are constantly turning like antennas and you can see the nostrils flaring as they take in scents). So if you're very careful, one can move. In the case of the first deer I killed in bed, I tracked him in the snow and first saw him laying down quartering about 30 yards away. No shot.So I crawled to a broken tree trunk between him and me. When I got there I was only 11 paces (measured later) but I couldn't figure out how to shoot. I was on my knees, he was laying down, as result , no angle. So, I decided to try and stand up slowly and get a shot off. I drew my recurve behind the stump and slowly stood up. He was looking right at me but evidently could not see me. I could clearly see the membrane so it gave me insight in future hunts.Key points: Make sure you're in an area known to harbor deer, move very slowy then stop and scan ahead as far as you can see and then back to a few feet ahead, then back out as far as you can see, stop then do it all over again.
I grew up incentral NY. Great farming countrynot too different from most of the midwest. Corn, wheat, milo, woodlots, hedgerows, etc.. I never have been too successful in the, "big woods" areas. Haven't had the experience in patterning in those environments. Hope I haven't bored you too much.
laxdad
Of the 5 bucks that Ireferred to above,3 were tracked in the snow andone I picked up in the mud of a picked corn field and tracked him up the edge ofstream to his bed. Kind of a print here, someoverturned leaves there, another print with water still seeping in, etc.. Total distance about 400 to 500 yards. He was the one I missed. The other was not really a tracking job. I was still hunting through a small woodlot, maybe 80 acres, with a very strong wind blowing. I was moving verrry slowly when I came to a blowdown. I eased my way around it studying everything in about a 300* arc when I noticed something different. I really didn't know what it was but it caught my attention. I kept looking away from the object and back again several times and finally I realized I was looking at the eye of a deer. After several more minutes I could make out his head and shoulders but his rack was not visible through the brush and saplings so I moved slowly to a position where I could get a good look at him but still could not get an arrow in there. He was the one that eventually walked away.
Somethingthat I noticed in all of the deer that I've seen asleepis thata thin membrane comes down over the eye like an eyelid. However it's transparent or transluscentnot opaque. It seems as though they rely on sound and smell during this period and not sight, (their ears are constantly turning like antennas and you can see the nostrils flaring as they take in scents). So if you're very careful, one can move. In the case of the first deer I killed in bed, I tracked him in the snow and first saw him laying down quartering about 30 yards away. No shot.So I crawled to a broken tree trunk between him and me. When I got there I was only 11 paces (measured later) but I couldn't figure out how to shoot. I was on my knees, he was laying down, as result , no angle. So, I decided to try and stand up slowly and get a shot off. I drew my recurve behind the stump and slowly stood up. He was looking right at me but evidently could not see me. I could clearly see the membrane so it gave me insight in future hunts.Key points: Make sure you're in an area known to harbor deer, move very slowy then stop and scan ahead as far as you can see and then back to a few feet ahead, then back out as far as you can see, stop then do it all over again.
I grew up incentral NY. Great farming countrynot too different from most of the midwest. Corn, wheat, milo, woodlots, hedgerows, etc.. I never have been too successful in the, "big woods" areas. Haven't had the experience in patterning in those environments. Hope I haven't bored you too much.
laxdad
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atlasman, when someone says "we" like you did in the quote....someone says, We? What do you have a mouse in your pocket?....meaning there has to be two of you to say we, you and who else....you and the mouse in your pocket otherwise it's I.
Hell that was confusing in itself.
Hell that was confusing in itself.



