OK, OK.....2 points I HAVE to make:

No. 01 - I will most likely be a different hunter NEXT year than I was/am this year. I've taken two 2-1/2 yr old bucks.....a Piebald BB...and a yearling doe. I'm hunting 3 deer HARD from now 'til our season's close.....and if I don't see them....I'll take does to fill those tags and to help in herd management. Next year.....I MAY NOT TAKE A BUCK. If I can't get one of the 3 I'm after this year.....or NEXT year....I may not shoot a buck. I might not be a good teammate, next year in the contest.....but I'm gonna hunt for ME, first and foremost.

No 02 - I can't help it. I've seen these photos of Germ's bucks from years past.....and I've seen Atlas's. I wanna see the chronology of photos that adds up to the points we're talking about. I also want to see the breakdown of how the recent contest entries by the two were scored. Call me curious.

Jeff

Hold on let me look,LOL

My Cabin is in Glennie, I know how hard it is for you, my offer is just for Atlas. The DNR have not done you guys any favors!!! If I head north I will give you a call. Will meet at the pink Elephant[8D]

Just so folks know I am telling anyone what to shoot. Atlas made a claim no mature deer where he hunts so he has to shoot 1.5 bucks.

I am saying there are mature bucks in his area, if he wants to hunt them it is his choice. He seem to be making excuses, I say shoot what you want, no complaints.

These threads are getting old and they are ALWAYS nothing more than "pissing contests". Anybody whointitiates one either knows that and intends for it to happen orhasn't been around long enough and is too naive to realize it will happen.Atlas didn't start it, he's simply defending the way he hunts against the "I'm better than you cause I let'm go so they can grow crowd". Seems to me somebody even wondered where he was and basically egged him onfor acomment. It also seems to me that it's always that crowd who starts these threads. Why is that? I'd guess for no other reason than a self righteous need to feel like they're better hunters. I can't recall even one where somebody started an "I shoot the small ones and you should too"thread.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, I don't give a rat's butt if you choose to pass on any deer and I equally don't give a rat's butt what deer choose to take. I'm tired of the bickering. Isimply intendto go enjoy hunting my own way and not worry a wit about how others do it or what they think about how I go about it.

Good post Sylvan!

Well that would just be crazy. [8D]

Some where in here or another one it is suggested. Shoot the little ones so the bigs breed, make sense to me

Sylvan we are debating and I enjoy it. Good post sir!!

I am out there more days then not during my scouting with my spotlight observing as much nocturnal behavior as I can........I know what is out there.

Can you prove they are more nocturnal where I hunt?? If so please explain how.........since you have never even been here.


As much as possible from what I have witnessed first hand over the last 9 years in the woods............along with both my brothers and a couple of my good friends who have all hunted just as long or longer..........and finally from my dad who has been in our deer woods for 40 years now. Call me crazy but I tend to think we have a better idea of what is in our woods then someone who is a few states away


It is all BS........you think you are the only guy in the world who works hard and has patience and spends time in the woods and is dedicated to hunting???..................you must be kidding.


This is taken directly from the Indiana DNR website..........just the first one that googled up


Combine that with the fact that I have deer in my yard on a daily basis and have witnessed small bucks mounting does.........I would have to say you are wrong again.


How does that relate to an area where no one is taking mature deer??.........you act like there is some guy hunting the same land as me and dropping booners every year......... If there were huge bucks being taken all around me every year and I never saw one I would agree with you............but that's just not the case. I know what's out there. You act like they are all around me and I just can't figure it out. Why is it so hard for you to accept that every place isn't like daddy's farm???


I do very well in tough conditions where most other guys have trouble taking a deer of any kind.........If there are deer there I like my chances of taking one If they are big........I like my chances of taking a big one........if they are small.....I like my chances of taking a small one. I can hunt deer..........but I can only hunt what is on the land..........and I have no problem hunting land that I know will produce a small buck at best.

What you continually fail to understand is that the first deer I see is the same as the last deer I see..........1 1/2 bucks pretty much all look the same around here. Letting a 4 pt walk by in hopes of a 6 pt doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Not only that but you never know when the next deer you see will be the last deer you see for the season............that's right, plenty of days go by when I see absolutely nothing. There is no point in passing a deer because even if you are fortunate enough to see another one he is gonna look just like the one you let go.

That's why I don't pass deer...........I have NEVER in 19 years shot a buck and then seen a bigger buck after and wished I had saved my tag for. I know what's out there.


I wish I had 25 acres to hunt by myself..........the last time I was out I was on about 35-40 acres of farmland and watched 7 guys walk by during the day............and my buddy was on the other side. With all the leaves down I could see 2 more empty tree stands from my spot as well.

I went to a 2,000 acre plot of state land 2 weeks ago for gun season and we counted 42 trucks around the perimeter of the property and there was more orange in the woods then brown.

I think I may enjoy the days when I get to hunt in peace and quiet without seeing another hunter..........as much as the days I take a deer. Sometimes it gets a little rediculous around here. The DEC keeps telling us that hunter numbers are declining..........I don't know where the heck they are counting.


Make excuses for what??............don't try to make it sound like I am griping about my hunting options. I never have and never will. I am more then happy right where I am and have enjoyed more then my share of success here. Why is it that you guys always go to the lottery mentality when you talk about big deer........"See......here is a picture of a big NY deer......I told you they are out there" Like a single deer.......or even 50 means anything. That has to be one of the dumbest points horn-porn guys always lean on. If you had pictures of a bunch of monsters that were killed.......or even seen on the land I hunt then I would listen. My brother and I both have killed big deer on state land............What does that prove?...other then the lottery mentality that I mentioned before? Let me guess.....this is where you say....."See, they are out there you just can't find them"

Why is it that all you "mature" pumpers always tell tales of how far bucks roam and blah blah blah........game cams don't mean anything cause that deer could be 2 miles away the next day blah blah blah. But then you reverse your logic and say that all these deer must have a dad or if you seen a big buck he is there and you just can't find him blah blah blah. There is no fence around the small farms I hunt.............and I don't pretend to think that every deer I see and kill had his address on the mailbox at the street...........funny how conveniently big bucks hang out in small farms when you are telling someone they don't know how to find them..........but when you are defending your mighty hunter skills they suddenly become nomads that wander the earth like ghosts



Wasn't bragging..........just making a point........I don't care what a deer has on it's head. They all look the same in the freezer, and you can pile up the antler inches and points in all kinds of ways ........my way happens to be quantity.


You get more then 425+lbs of meat out of 4 deer?


Not even close............even if you count 4 of the milk sippers I drilled


I told you already that I am fine and happy hunting right where I am. Do you hear me complaining? I get to hunt with great guys and do very well right here at home.............no need to travel to pick cherries.

If Atlas doesn't want to come cherry pick, sign me up! lol

So when do I get to see those numbers and photos???!!!

Jeff