ORIGINAL: Germ
Prove it, can you? Nope becasue a Mature buck is nockturnal. Where you hunt more so then most.
I am out there more days then not during my scouting with my spotlight observing as much nocturnal behavior as I can........I know what is out there.
Can you prove they are more nocturnal where I hunt?? If so please explain how.........since you have never even been here.
Can you Prove this statement, Nope !!
As much as possible from what I have witnessed first hand over the last 9 years in the woods............along with both my brothers and a couple of my good friends who have all hunted just as long or longer..........and finally from my dad who has been in our deer woods for 40 years now. Call me crazy but I tend to think we have a better idea of what is in our woods then someone who is a few states away
Yeah this make sense, LOL Explains a lot also
It is all BS........you think you are the only guy in the world who works hard and has patience and spends time in the woods and is dedicated to hunting???..................you must be kidding.
Go read up on how old a buck has to be to reproduce. No lead in those young one's gun.
This is taken directly from the Indiana DNR website..........just the first one that googled up
Does may breed at six to seven months of age but generally breed for the first time when 1 1/2 years old. Bucks are physiologically ready to breed at 1 1/2 years of age
Combine that with the fact that I have deer in my yard on a daily basis and have witnessed small bucks mounting does.........I would have to say you are wrong again.
Think about what you wrote, looks like 19+guys have an issue. Why? They all want to shoot mature deer, I have talk to them. The mature deer are there. I do hunt some great land, but why are they having so much trouble?
How does that relate to an area where no one is taking mature deer??.........you act like there is some guy hunting the same land as me and dropping booners every year.........

If there were huge bucks being taken all around me every year and I never saw one I would agree with you............but that's just not the case. I know what's out there. You act like they are all around me and I just can't figure it out. Why is it so hard for you to accept that every place isn't like daddy's farm???
Well I know two guys who have hunted it for 35 years and they have 2, plus we all know you can not keep your finger trigger. The first deer walks by gets an arrow. The first deer 99% time is not a booner or P & Y.
I do very well in tough conditions where most other guys have trouble taking a deer of any kind.........If there are deer there I like my chances of taking one

If they are big........I like my chances of taking a big one........if they are small.....I like my chances of taking a small one. I can hunt deer..........but I can only hunt what is on the land..........and I have no problem hunting land that I know will produce a small buck at best.
What you continually fail to understand is that the first deer I see is the same as the last deer I see..........1 1/2 bucks pretty much all look the same around here. Letting a 4 pt walk by in hopes of a 6 pt doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Not only that but you never know when the next deer you see will be the last deer you see for the season............that's right, plenty of days go by when I see absolutely nothing. There is no point in passing a deer because even if you are fortunate enough to see another one he is gonna look just like the one you let go.
That's why I don't pass deer...........I have NEVER in 19 years shot a buck and then seen a bigger buck after and wished I had saved my tag for. I know what's out there.
We are hunting MI we have more bowhunters per square mile then NY. Before you ask, you go look it up I already have. 2000 acres of 60% is ag and 40 woods. 20+ guys in 800 acres of woods. Under 50 acers a hunter, the deer know we are there. Out 800 there is 300 acre you can not hunt. Leaves 500 acres of ground to hunt and 25 acers a hunter.
I wish I had 25 acres to hunt by myself..........the last time I was out I was on about 35-40 acres of farmland and watched 7 guys walk by during the day............and my buddy was on the other side. With all the leaves down I could see 2 more empty tree stands from my spot as well.
I went to a 2,000 acre plot of state land 2 weeks ago for gun season and we counted 42 trucks around the perimeter of the property and there was more orange in the woods then brown.
I think I may enjoy the days when I get to hunt in peace and quiet without seeing another hunter..........as much as the days I take a deer. Sometimes it gets a little rediculous around here. The DEC keeps telling us that hunter numbers are declining..........I don't know where the heck they are counting.
Here is a great line, are you making excuses? I have some nice pictures of NY deer. Your Brother shot a nice buck, he has a DAD[8D]
His deer had some good genes. You have shot 1 mature deer in your area with a rifle a nice 13 point correct? I wonder where he came from[&:] Aliens must have dropped him off
Make excuses for what??............don't try to make it sound like I am griping about my hunting options. I never have and never will. I am more then happy right where I am and have enjoyed more then my share of success here. Why is it that you guys always go to the lottery mentality when you talk about big deer........"See......here is a picture of a big NY deer......I told you they are out there" Like a single deer.......or even 50 means anything. That has to be one of the dumbest points horn-porn guys always lean on. If you had pictures of a bunch of monsters that were killed.......or even seen on the land I hunt then I would listen. My brother and I both have killed big deer on state land............What does that prove?...other then the lottery mentality that I mentioned before? Let me guess.....this is where you say....."See, they are out there you just can't find them"
Why is it that all you "mature" pumpers always tell tales of how far bucks roam and blah blah blah........game cams don't mean anything cause that deer could be 2 miles away the next day blah blah blah. But then you reverse your logic and say that all these deer must have a dad or if you seen a big buck he is there and you just can't find him blah blah blah. There is no fence around the small farms I hunt.............and I don't pretend to think that every deer I see and kill had his address on the mailbox at the street...........funny how conveniently big bucks hang out in small farms when you are telling someone they don't know how to find them..........but when you are defending your mighty hunter skills they suddenly become nomads that wander the earth like ghosts
You have no idea what is on the land you hunt.
Hey you bragged about your points in so many years, you need to cowboy up Atlas[X(] or keep your mouth shut. Oh look more bragging!!
Wasn't bragging..........just making a point........I don't care what a deer has on it's head. They all look the same in the freezer, and you can pile up the antler inches and points in all kinds of ways

........my way happens to be quantity.
Yeah but I still get more meat[8D]
You get more then 425+lbs of meat out of 4 deer?
Motown shot a mature buck 253 lbs = 4 Atlas deer[8D]
Not even close............even if you count 4 of the milk sippers I drilled
Put your skills where your mouth is, I will not hunt the farm next year, all yours. Cherry picking it is easy!!
I told you already that I am fine and happy hunting right where I am. Do you hear me complaining? I get to hunt with great guys and do very well right here at home.............no need to travel to pick cherries.