Scent Lock B. S.
#71
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 493
RE: Scent Lock B. S.
I have always washed my hunting duds in Scent Free Soap, get up high, try and watch the wind as much as I can, walk into my stand SLOWLY so I don't work up a sweat - THEN I put my heavy stuff on for the duration of the watch. I never go hunting w/o having taken a fresh shower in Scent Free Soap first. All my clothes are left on the porch to air out before the hunt including my rubber boots. Since doing all that I've done quite well, but do still be busted now-and-then. But hey, THATS huntin!
#72
Typical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: New York
Posts: 580
RE: Scent Lock B. S.
Bottom line, all these carbon clothes are made to help keep your scent down, they don't get rid of all of it, hell!Some peopleexpect to spill gas on there clothes and still expect for these clothes to keep them scent free. Come on, I believe they are better than regular clothing all the way. All that they are supposed to do is give you higher % of being scent free. After all going after a big buck all we want is a chance,,, RIGHT. If spending 200.00 plus dollars on clothing is too much don't spend it, but don't complain about it because it didn't work the way it said it did. Pisses me off every time this topic comes up.
#73
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NY
Posts: 4,668
RE: Scent Lock B. S.
ORIGINAL: HNIJustin
Ah yes, the infamous article with zero shred of reliable scientific evidence. "Well I think this" or "I really know what I'm talking about" and "I heard that" doesn't cut it for me. Want the real scientific evidence behind Scent-Lok? Here you go -
http://www.scentlokscience.com
Have fun Atlasman, that should keep you busy for awhile.
Ah yes, the infamous article with zero shred of reliable scientific evidence. "Well I think this" or "I really know what I'm talking about" and "I heard that" doesn't cut it for me. Want the real scientific evidence behind Scent-Lok? Here you go -
http://www.scentlokscience.com
Have fun Atlasman, that should keep you busy for awhile.
Do you really think a "real" scientific source of information would make such elementary mistakes??
Oh, and so far I've killed 3 deer and a coyote this year, and had the opportunity to kill a lot more than that - many of which were directly downwind of me. Imagine that!
Why is your story about perceived good observations any different then someone else's negative ones? They are either both useful or useless........because they are 2 sides of the same coin.
For anyone who hasn't personally tried it
No one needs to jump from their stands to prove gravity is real.
#74
RE: Scent Lock B. S.
I have never got the logic behind this statement. Isn't one of the main reasons for education to be able to use your knowledge to make proper decisions and not have to learn everything by trial and error? Don't we teach children not to touch fire or run in the street because it is dangerous??...........Would anyone think it's a good idea to make those kids learn by "trying it". I hope not. I don't need to buy a suit to learn what I have already learned about carbon.......and I didn't learn it from a friend or read it on some goofy site. I learned it from MANY years of post grad work and from working with it firsthand in labsduring multiple published studies.
No one needs to jump from their stands to prove gravity is real.
No one needs to jump from their stands to prove gravity is real.
First hand knowledge will always trump those who reply with "I don't need to try it because I know it won't work because my dad's brother's friend's cousin says it won't."
#75
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NY
Posts: 4,668
RE: Scent Lock B. S.
ORIGINAL: HNIJustin
And you know what, if you still dont' believe me and want to listen to a bunch of unfounded articles written by "experts" with no real scientific knowlege or background, that's fine.
And you know what, if you still dont' believe me and want to listen to a bunch of unfounded articles written by "experts" with no real scientific knowlege or background, that's fine.
I don't understand............the information on the Scent-Lok site you posted a link to is unfounded andcould be written by anyone. I doubt it was written by a scientist since it has BASIC errors that no "expert" would make.
I also don't get what the big deal is about having a deer downwind of you. I see downwind from me every year.........and have for many years. Is it really that big of a deal? There are endless stories of others that see deer downwind without suits too.........I don't seewhat eitherstory proves.
#76
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NY
Posts: 4,668
RE: Scent Lock B. S.
ORIGINAL: mobowhuntr
OK...what does ScentLok tell us to do? The same stuff we do all the time. Shower w/ scent free soap, use scent free laundry detergent, all that good stuff. Could it be that the ScentLok is NOT what is deterring our scent? Could it be all the scent control measures we ALREADY use?
I have had more deer directly downwind of me this year than I care to admit. Swirling winds are mostly to blame, not much I can do about that. A couple of others just fooled me and came from a direction I didn't expect. Now, I am confident I've been busted by deer that I never even knew were there, no question. But what I can tell you is I've had 7 deer this year straight downwind of me and didn't smell me. They've cut across my path I walked, didn't "stop to smell the cornstalks I brushed as I walked by," and had no idea I was there. And oh, by the way, I've shot 3 of them. ScentLok my arse!!
OK...what does ScentLok tell us to do? The same stuff we do all the time. Shower w/ scent free soap, use scent free laundry detergent, all that good stuff. Could it be that the ScentLok is NOT what is deterring our scent? Could it be all the scent control measures we ALREADY use?
I have had more deer directly downwind of me this year than I care to admit. Swirling winds are mostly to blame, not much I can do about that. A couple of others just fooled me and came from a direction I didn't expect. Now, I am confident I've been busted by deer that I never even knew were there, no question. But what I can tell you is I've had 7 deer this year straight downwind of me and didn't smell me. They've cut across my path I walked, didn't "stop to smell the cornstalks I brushed as I walked by," and had no idea I was there. And oh, by the way, I've shot 3 of them. ScentLok my arse!!
Not onlydid one of the deer I shot this year check me out downwind for a couple minutes but he crossed the path I walked in on.......and then came walking right to my tree following my footprints like he was tracking me. All that with nothing more then a bottle of fresh earth spray and a couple wafers in my bow case.
#77
RE: Scent Lock B. S.
Guys save your breath. I have followed directions to the letter I use scent free sprays I don't use the socks mabey thats it but I doubt it. And all the scientific stuff is just that stuff. I spent the money I tried it it just dosen't work. If it helps give you confidence good for you keep using it. My choice is to save my money from now on. After my own scientific tests I find it is all smoke and mirrors. Ad if that busts your bubble I'm sorry. And to add to that there really isn't a Santa.
#78
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NY
Posts: 4,668
RE: Scent Lock B. S.
ORIGINAL: Germ
Now I was not in stare down like Atlas with his deer, but I was in a really good tree, and not hanging out in the open.
Now I was not in stare down like Atlas with his deer, but I was in a really good tree, and not hanging out in the open.
I was also dressed for the weather; therefore I was not shakingeither, but what do I know[&:]
I was not dressed well...........froze my arse off. Temps in the 20'sand a couple inches of snow had the teeth chattering a bit. Easy to test the wind though when youcan see your breath
#79
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 493
RE: Scent Lock B. S.
Damn! There's NO Santa? Thanks Mike for ruining MY Christmas this year! :@
I learned a long time ago that just because some dude in the ad has a $20 white lab coat on doesn't make them a scientist of a credible source. Do you think anyone would buy this stuff if they didn't have an ad of some guys wearing it posing with a 250# whitetail with 14 points? Right - and they know it.
It takes a lot more education then some 'so-called' whitetail research company that we've never heard of in Deer & Deer Hunting magazine says-so. Remember - hunting publications are available because someone has to PAY for these ads - and basically thats all hunting mags ARE - arevehicles for SALES. Without ads - you'd have NO magazine - and its the purpose of these magazines to sell stuff which pays for these employees, writers, etc.
I don't believe that some yahoo wearing a $400 suit is gonna fare any better than I! hell, I took my 8-pointer in 2001 in a 12 ft treestand wearing Levi's, all rubber boots, and a camo jacket, a 1979 $80 Bear Whitetail bow, 2117 XX75's, a Keller sight and shooting fingers! It was a mere 15 yds IF that.
No Scent Block suit - he never knew I was there!
I learned a long time ago that just because some dude in the ad has a $20 white lab coat on doesn't make them a scientist of a credible source. Do you think anyone would buy this stuff if they didn't have an ad of some guys wearing it posing with a 250# whitetail with 14 points? Right - and they know it.
It takes a lot more education then some 'so-called' whitetail research company that we've never heard of in Deer & Deer Hunting magazine says-so. Remember - hunting publications are available because someone has to PAY for these ads - and basically thats all hunting mags ARE - arevehicles for SALES. Without ads - you'd have NO magazine - and its the purpose of these magazines to sell stuff which pays for these employees, writers, etc.
I don't believe that some yahoo wearing a $400 suit is gonna fare any better than I! hell, I took my 8-pointer in 2001 in a 12 ft treestand wearing Levi's, all rubber boots, and a camo jacket, a 1979 $80 Bear Whitetail bow, 2117 XX75's, a Keller sight and shooting fingers! It was a mere 15 yds IF that.
No Scent Block suit - he never knew I was there!
#80
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NY
Posts: 4,668
RE: Scent Lock B. S.
ORIGINAL: Washington Hunter
Not everyone has the same level of education nor the same experience working with and studying carbon as you, Atlas.
Not everyone has the same level of education nor the same experience working with and studying carbon as you, Atlas.
First hand knowledge will always trump those who reply with "I don't need to try it because I know it won't work because my dad's brother's friend's cousin says it won't."
I don't really see whypeople get so worked up when someone says carbon doesn't work...........there are hundreds of products reviewed here every year. Thisis no different.