2 Minutes - 2 Button Bucks
11-10-2002, 07:50 PM
#41
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: fairfield pa USA
Posts: 109
RE: 2 Minutes - 2 Button Bucks
Well I debated about getting into this but here goes. If someone shoots a button buck buy mistake so be it. However at bow range any person whom is bow hunting should be able to see that they were button bucks. I noticed lady didn't answer the question about weather or not her dad retrieved the first deer before shooting the second. I certainly would not want some one like this on my property but he wasn't so I am glad for him in away. I have to agree that it is not the most ethical thing to shoot fawns and yes that is exactly what a button buck is to whom ever on the first page said "just becouse it was a button buck doesn't make it 4-5 months old" well in short malarky yes a button buck is a deer that was just born this spring thus making it a fawn. Also to Dale in pa. you are so wrong in PA. they don't want the button bucks killed if you would have read your rule book that comes with your license you would have seen the page and a half they devoted to telling their hunter's why they shouldn't kill button buck's and giving tip's on how to spot a button buck in the field BECOUSE PA. DOESN'T WANT THEM SHOT! Lady if your dad was happy witht he deer fine but maybe you could have a talk with him and encourage him to look for bigger deer. Now the missing six shot's then getting differnt broad heads well I don't think I have to even say any thing you know PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE and if you don't know how to set your bow up take it the darn shop they only charge a couple of buck's to put on a rest set nocking points and stuff like that. Royaok there is no need for that name calling if he's an @ss hole you are just as much for the behavior you are displaying. Buck blaster above you said horn's aren't ever thing well how come your nick name is buck blaster? probably becouse you prefer to shoot buck's than doe's huhhh so maybe you shouldn't lash out at c for caring about button buck's growing into mature buck's.
11-10-2002, 08:43 PM
#43
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: chapin sc USA
Posts: 18
RE: 2 Minutes - 2 Button Bucks
I just want to say that I really enjoy this site and this forum. I am new to bowhunting and will not attempt to even try to kill a deer with my bow until I know I am good enough to do it cleanly. But some of the things that have been stated to this poster are very ridiculous. There is no need to bash the person or her family for the taking of 2 button bucks. IF IT WAS LEGAL WHERE IS THE PROBLEM. If you notice you don't know how big they were. And realisticly what is the difference if the man DID NOT KNOW that they were not does. I have news for the poster that said a button only weighed 45 - 50 pounds, I came home the other day to my wife and son telling me there was a dead doe in the yard, only to find that it was a button that had gotten hit by a car.( GUESS WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THE CAR DRIVER ARRESTED BECAUSE HE DIDN'T KNOW IT WASN'T A DOE ) But the thing weighed about 110 lbs. and I live in SC. Get off of it. The man made clean kills and they were found. There is no need for name calling or bashing.
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This is an excellent site there is no need for all of this. please keep going with all the excellent info. I know opinions are like ( well you know the rest), this is just mine.
MIKE
11-10-2002, 09:23 PM
#46
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Rural Kansas... Where Life is Good
Posts: 4,139
RE: 2 Minutes - 2 Button Bucks
Just my 2 cents. Congrats to your dad with the deer. I'm gald to hear you'll have a freezer of meat.
On the debate side of the subject, from a hunter who not only hunts for trophy deer, but also for meat to put in the freezer also. Hopefully you're father will be more prepared next year so he won't make 6 misses in a row. That's carelessness for 6 times, after the 1st, at most 2 shot he should've done something to his bow so he wouldn't take the chance of wounding a deer. I'm glad he got his problem fixed, and hopefully next year he will be more prepared. And any questions about his bow, he can come on here and we can try helping him with his problem.
All that aside, I encourage people to practice deer management and pass the buttons and small bucks up. But I won't put a person down because they have to fill the freezer and a couple buttons was the answer. I have a grandpa who has the "brown it's down" method. He hunts just for meat, and could care less about the rack. He's been doing it for as long as he's been deer-hunting and there are still B&C bucks running around his land. I don't belittle him because of it, it's just how he hunts. I still try to encourage him though. Last year I saw 2 bucks running out across the open, one was a 120 class 8ptr, and the other a big non-typ. And the shot the non-typ, which was an older deer, giving the other buck another year to grow. Let's all just be helpful hunters on here and try to help each other out. Isn't that what this place is for...
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On the debate side of the subject, from a hunter who not only hunts for trophy deer, but also for meat to put in the freezer also. Hopefully you're father will be more prepared next year so he won't make 6 misses in a row. That's carelessness for 6 times, after the 1st, at most 2 shot he should've done something to his bow so he wouldn't take the chance of wounding a deer. I'm glad he got his problem fixed, and hopefully next year he will be more prepared. And any questions about his bow, he can come on here and we can try helping him with his problem.
All that aside, I encourage people to practice deer management and pass the buttons and small bucks up. But I won't put a person down because they have to fill the freezer and a couple buttons was the answer. I have a grandpa who has the "brown it's down" method. He hunts just for meat, and could care less about the rack. He's been doing it for as long as he's been deer-hunting and there are still B&C bucks running around his land. I don't belittle him because of it, it's just how he hunts. I still try to encourage him though. Last year I saw 2 bucks running out across the open, one was a 120 class 8ptr, and the other a big non-typ. And the shot the non-typ, which was an older deer, giving the other buck another year to grow. Let's all just be helpful hunters on here and try to help each other out. Isn't that what this place is for...
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11-11-2002, 03:50 AM
#48
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Jax beach Fl. usa
Posts: 4,031
RE: 2 Minutes - 2 Button Bucks
He took how many shots the first day? and missed every one? or did he wound any?<img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle>
I have no problem with button bucks, but with a lack of sighting in.
He should have hung it up!
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I have no problem with button bucks, but with a lack of sighting in.
He should have hung it up!
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11-11-2002, 04:45 AM
#49
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Fredericksburg Virginia USA
Posts: 13,672
RE: 2 Minutes - 2 Button Bucks
Ladybowhunter congrats to your dad, I am sure he was ecstatic.
We have all made mistakes, some of us are man enough(I know your a lady, but I do not know how else to put that)to admit our mistakes and some aren't. I am not ashamed of any mistake I have made hunting, because when the mistake was made it was not an unsafe mistake nor was there any way it could have turned out illegal.
I have killed 2 buttons over the years that unless you have bionic vision you could not have told until you were right on them, the buttons on one of them hardly broke the hair and the other ones buttons stood only 1/2 inch above the hairline. When I shot them it was buck or doe and I thought they were doe. Guess what? I was still pleased as punch over them both!
Last year during gun, when it was buck or doe, I had a deer about 40-45 yards out moving through some mountain laurel, I could see almost all of the deer except the top of it's head, it sure looked like a doe so I shot her, well it turned out to be a dink 4 point, the beams at the base were about as thick as my pinky!!! Guess what? I was still happy I had put some excellent meat in the freezer, but I made a mistake thinking it was a doe.
I will say it again, congrats to your dad, encourage him to tune his bow to his broadheads or do as he did and stick with mechs, I am sure he will do one of these before next season.
Oh for another thing, if I see a deer go down less than 30 yards away I would gladly stick another one.
The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club
We have all made mistakes, some of us are man enough(I know your a lady, but I do not know how else to put that)to admit our mistakes and some aren't. I am not ashamed of any mistake I have made hunting, because when the mistake was made it was not an unsafe mistake nor was there any way it could have turned out illegal.
I have killed 2 buttons over the years that unless you have bionic vision you could not have told until you were right on them, the buttons on one of them hardly broke the hair and the other ones buttons stood only 1/2 inch above the hairline. When I shot them it was buck or doe and I thought they were doe. Guess what? I was still pleased as punch over them both!
Last year during gun, when it was buck or doe, I had a deer about 40-45 yards out moving through some mountain laurel, I could see almost all of the deer except the top of it's head, it sure looked like a doe so I shot her, well it turned out to be a dink 4 point, the beams at the base were about as thick as my pinky!!! Guess what? I was still happy I had put some excellent meat in the freezer, but I made a mistake thinking it was a doe.
I will say it again, congrats to your dad, encourage him to tune his bow to his broadheads or do as he did and stick with mechs, I am sure he will do one of these before next season.
Oh for another thing, if I see a deer go down less than 30 yards away I would gladly stick another one.
The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club
11-11-2002, 05:03 AM
#50
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Southeast Missouri
Posts: 968
RE: 2 Minutes - 2 Button Bucks
I guess I'd have to say, as long as he was happy, he did what he should have done. I really have no sympathy for someone who shoots a deer(of any kind) and then complains about it. Button bucks can be pretty hard to protect. The problem is sometimes you just CAN'T tell.
I personally believe that anyone who is inclined to shoot antlerless deer, shouldn't fret too much about the sex of the deer. The reason is, most good deer management practices dictate that a certain amount of does be harvested right along with antlered bucks, to keep the herd balanced. IMO, if you start passing antlerless deer because you can't be sure if it's a young buck or not, you start hampering the process of balancing the herd. I've read some research that seems to show that an old doe who manages not to get bred in one year, may not even breed the next year. It seems maybe nature tries to take care of this problem. You see, speaking in the terms of herd health, a doe who doesn't reproduce, is just wasting mother nature's food supply for the viable reproducing deer in the herd. There's only so much food out there, and well you get the picture.
I hope you that have blasted this guy for shooting immature deer, understand that this gentleman is a valuable tool for stabilizing deer numbers, just as you are. Someone wrote that,...it's easy to kill fawns, there's no sport in that.....
How do you know? Just because you happen to be a more skilled hunter doesn't mean everyone else is. C'mon! There's a reason why every person who straps a treestand and a bow on his back doesn't kill a pope and young buck every year. Maybe harvesting a young deer, is a challenge for this guy. There's no shame in that. Maybe he'll get better at it and maybe he won't, but blasting him and putting him down certainly won't help.
Just my 2 cents
GH
I love animals.......they're delicious!
Edited by - Grasshopper13 on 11/11/2002 06:06:33
I personally believe that anyone who is inclined to shoot antlerless deer, shouldn't fret too much about the sex of the deer. The reason is, most good deer management practices dictate that a certain amount of does be harvested right along with antlered bucks, to keep the herd balanced. IMO, if you start passing antlerless deer because you can't be sure if it's a young buck or not, you start hampering the process of balancing the herd. I've read some research that seems to show that an old doe who manages not to get bred in one year, may not even breed the next year. It seems maybe nature tries to take care of this problem. You see, speaking in the terms of herd health, a doe who doesn't reproduce, is just wasting mother nature's food supply for the viable reproducing deer in the herd. There's only so much food out there, and well you get the picture.
I hope you that have blasted this guy for shooting immature deer, understand that this gentleman is a valuable tool for stabilizing deer numbers, just as you are. Someone wrote that,...it's easy to kill fawns, there's no sport in that.....
How do you know? Just because you happen to be a more skilled hunter doesn't mean everyone else is. C'mon! There's a reason why every person who straps a treestand and a bow on his back doesn't kill a pope and young buck every year. Maybe harvesting a young deer, is a challenge for this guy. There's no shame in that. Maybe he'll get better at it and maybe he won't, but blasting him and putting him down certainly won't help.
Just my 2 cents
GH
I love animals.......they're delicious!
Edited by - Grasshopper13 on 11/11/2002 06:06:33