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Well, I truly can't believe the trouble this thread caused. I am so sorry for even posting it, and it will make me think twice (or maybe 3 times) before I post again. I was looking foward to getting my 1st deer with a bow and posting the picture here, but now I don't think I will. I was so happy for my father-in-law when he got those 2 deer. It is legal, he wouldn't do anything that wasn't. They were tagged as does because that's how it's done here. Yes, he should have tuned his broadheads, and my husband is working with him on that. Also, by the way, he did not wound that other deer, every shot was low. I know he would be the first to feel horrible for wounding and not finding a deer. Everybody could use a little instruction, maybe some of us more than others, but the main reason for the post was because I was just so happy for him for the joy it brought to him. I certainly DID NOT come here to BRAG about shooting 2 button bucks. I am as ethical a hunter as anyone here, and I really didn't see the harm in it. We butchered those deer last night, and I can't wait to eat the tasty venison - all venison is tasty to me - a big doe, buck, yearling or button buck. We have not done well in the past few years in putting venison in the freezer, not for lack of trying, but for lack of seeing deer. So when those 2 showed up at Dad's stand, I'm sure he saw the venison that's been so hard to come by lately. I did think that was one of the reasons we were out there for - putting food on the table. I DO KNOW that he thought they were does. He did not purposely go out in search of button bucks to shoot. Why do some of you make it sound like he did? <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Straightarrow,
There is absolutely nothing wrong with YOU managing YOUR herd. I never heard LadyBH calling any horn hunters unethical or saying anything derogatory towards them for THEIR management practices. What I want to know is what gives the horn hunters the right to judge her or her father-in-law for shooting any legal deer they want?

Any of you that want to practice QDM or TDM until your bucks have massive antlers growing out of their rear-ends go right ahead. Nobody is stopping you or calling your practices unethical, but how dare you chastize someone for enjoying a good HUNT!!!

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Ladybowhunter, to discourage you from leaving or not posting your first kill, here is a quick review of the thread.

You had positive responses from about 36 individuals, most posting only once.

You had negative responses from about 8 individuals, many posting multiple times.

You also had a handful of what I would call neutral responses.

So positive response was 4 1/2 times greater than negative.
Don't let the vocal minority drive you away. I doubt if they want that.

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Edited by - Dacotah on 11/12/2002 11:24:26

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Nice recap Dacotah.

At this point I would kindly ask anyone that is going to continue to post that they remain civil in regards to this topic.

If you disagree with one side of the issue or another then please do so appropriately. Calling people names and making fun of their opinions is not.

Thank you.

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GrimReaper:
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So yes they are saying they like shooting fawns and will keep doing it. It sure sounds to me like they enjoy and are happy with doing this.
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I don't think it has anything at all to do with enjoyment of shooting fawns. It has to do with the enjoyment of shooting DEER. Thats why it is called DEER HUNTING. I think you, and a few others have lost sight of the big picture, and what it's all about. I have never met a single hunter that specifically seeks out yearlings. But I know several people who will fill their freezer (the whole point for the majority) with whatever present an opportunity. This year, it might be a yearling, next year, it might be a 10 point. Also, it is absolutely no concern of yours what he shot, I don't know why you have your panties in a bunch. You have complained more about the button buck issue than you have about him having obvious tuning issues. If your a big buck only hunter(and I do have my doubts about that), then that is great, more power to you. But get off your high horse, &quot;your way&quot; is no better than anyone else's.

--Sign In Chinese Pet Store: &quot;Buy one dog, get one flea...&quot;--

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Indyhunter I may not exclusivly shoot big buck's but atleast I don't shoot every fawn that come's by my stand. When people say I have shot fawns before and I will do it again and shooting fawns is a challenge becouse they are smaller they are people who will not hesitate to shoot a fawn and while they will shoot a big doe or rack buck if they see it they will also take a fawn just to shoot some thing. This is an opions board and I am giving my opion if you like it or not. Does anyone have the right to shoot a fawn heck yea it's leagal but it sure as #ell isn't the most sporting thing to do. Making excuses that the meat is tender and first time hunter's should shoot any thing and fawns are more challenging are just that excuses people make up to convince them selves that what they are doing is some wonderful hunting accomplishment and not running out into the woods shooting the first thing you see. How many people here can honestly say with out deer meat they would go hungry? probably none so why not wait for a mature deer instead of just killing the first thing that comes along after all it is called hunting. The lady who started this thread said he shot them becouse they don't see many deer so they shoot what ever comes along. Well they must see some deer if he missed 6 once again it's just an excuse to kill the first thing that came along. I am glad that guy got a deer and it doesn't realy matter what it was becouse it was leagal but hpeful next time he will practice with his bow and wait for a mature deer.

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Straightarrow,
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Are you saying it's inappropriate to talk about deer manangement when the issue arises? I was simply responding to the statement that &quot;killing buttons will improve the herd&quot;.

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I do get the feeling that I'm not welcome to ask about management principals. Also, there seems to be an implication that if it's legal then we should have no concern over the practice, and have no right to debate it.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>but how dare you chastize someone for enjoying a good HUNT!!!
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I don't know what you're talking about. I never said a single negative thing about her dad taking the button. My whole reason for posting on this thread was to question the deer management philosophy of shooting buttons. Also, this has nothing to do with QDM, just deer management. Maybe you're confusing me with someone else. Go back and read mine and then tell me where I chastised her.

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Ladybowhunter38 Dakota summed up what the majority of people felt here, do not leave nor stop posting because of a few folks on a high horse. I am basically a happy person because I try to look at the good side of life and try to make others lifes better by praise and teaching. I wonder how unhappy someone must be to find joy in critisizing others.

I, and others here truely do hope that we get to see pics of your first bowkill, I got my first bowkill this year after 3 seasons, it was a nice fat doe, as a matter of fact I just finished eating some of the first batch of jerky from her. Remember when that first opportunity presents itself, do not think about what others will think, as long as it is legal and it makes you happy, TAKE IT!!!! Then we want to hear the whole story and see the pics to boot.

You know I have a nasty feeling that some newby may have started to read this thread and seen how harsh a few individuals could be and figured why bother asking, all these folks are going to do is rip me to pieces, because I may have made a mistake or I may ask a question that they view as stupid, I hope I am wrong.

The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club

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Straightarrow,
I posted back to you specifically because you responded to my first post. I don't have a problem at all with your asking about management practices. My comments were directed toward those that acted like LadyBH and her FIL were doing something wrong. The first part of my last post was to you, the second part was to the horn hunters in general who seem to look down on anyone who doesn't hunt the way they do. Sorry for any confusion.

LadyBowHunter,
Please don't let this stop you from posting about your hunts. As you can see, the idiots are everywhere at once and can't be stopped, but they can be ignored. There are many more hunters than idiots so there is still hope. Good luck with getting your first deer and I hope your FIL gets many more.

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Well, this is it. I am going to move away from this thread after this post.
I want to thank all of you who congratulated my father-in-law on his bow kills. It's nice to know fellow hunters can be happy about someone elses success.
I especially want to thank Tazman, PABowhunter,Stickemup, Dacotah(for pointing out that the vast majority are not above me or my father-in-law), and Royak1, Lady Forge & Coueslite for their e-mails making me feel a whole lot better about starting this whole thing to begin with. Thank you also for your condolences, I will pass them on to my Dad.
I will post the story of my first bow kill and post pictures. That is, of course, only if I am blessed to be able to have one of those magnificent creatures come within my range.I can't wait until Saturday to be out there again. Take care all and HAPPY HUNTING!!!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Edited by - Ladybowhunter38 on 11/12/2002 13:21:00