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RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
I only hunt in the wild , I'll never patronize a game farm . I shoot a recurve , a 3 shot 20 gage , and muzzleloader , it doesn't get more sporting than that and I've been skunked more often than not to prove it . Baiting is illegal here , so I don't do that . No such thing as fair chase ? Pfffftttttt !!
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ORIGINAL: atlasman ORIGINAL: ghemry Have you been scounting those button bucks this year? I could go on a rant on how shooting fawns is not hunting, but I could careless what you shoot. Besides those little burgers are tasty!! Amazing. I have not questioned anyone's hunting methods even one time. You obviously have not read anything you say you did or you wouldn't be so off target. No you have not questioned anybody hunting method. You will also read where I do agree with you.Please anyone knows what you intend to write and what others get can be two different things. God knows I do not wantget in your mine. Two strong viewpoints those who agree with you, and those who think you are just being atlas. When I readyour post this is what I read The only hunting method that matters in mine, listen to me, I know. I know it states something different, but whenI read it this what I get. You are kinda of a poet, people are enlighten by your threads. I am glad you hunt deer, I hope you shoot a big one |
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I can't believe this thread has gone for 13 pages.....
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I am glad you hunt deer, I hope you shoot a big one Atlas was the one who enlightened me to the dining pleasure that venison can bring. Until I conversed with him, I wouldn't even eat the stuff. I still think it's easier to throw a beef steak on the grill and be done with it, but venison can be tasty if you put in the effort. I like it. |
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ORIGINAL: ghemry I agree, but if you take notice of those pics you will see one common thing. Most of the mature deer standingover the corn come to it at night. The night was the only refuge that a deer had left............now even that is gone. Still sound like "fair chase" is the right term?? [quote}Second point if we have such a great advantage why is the success rate 30%(on average) for bowhunters? Looks like the deer win most of the time.[/quote] Useless stat.........unless you have more data. |
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ORIGINAL: PatriotDually I can't believe this thread has gone for 13 pages..... |
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DATA Now I took a guess, but I was pretty close. Surveys during 1998-2001 mailed to 50,000 Wisconsin gun hunters found that use of bait had little effect on success in harvesting bucks or antlerless deer (Table 1). Twenty-nine percent of hunters using bait harvested a buck compared to 26% of hunters who did not use bait. Antlerless harvest success was the same for hunters using bait (33%) as for hunters who did not use bait (33%). In contrast, bait usage appeared to effect success of Wisconsin bow hunters. Of the more than 4,700 bow hunters who responded to the 2001 bow hunter survey, 45% of bait users reported killing at least 1 deer compared to 31% of hunters who did not use bait. |
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ORIGINAL: James Vee I'll be more than happy to let you shed a tear in my beer when you see my before and after pictures this year. :D |
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More data, Diesel is shooting all the deer in Maryland
In the 2002-03 hunting season, the total archery harvest across North America for whitetails, blacktails, and mule deer was 799,109. Collectively, bowhunters had an average success rate of 23 percent! Maryland bowhunters led the pack this year with an incredible 61-percent success! Florida (55 percent) and Kansas (54 percent) weren't far behind. These figures are simply astonishing when you consider that some state's firearms success rates still don't compete with these figures. Georgia bowhunters took the most deer with an estimated 80,000 whitetails. Pennsylvania bowhunters came in second with 74,051 deer. Guys what we have to remember is we are the top hunters. It is why we come to site like HNI to learn more and get better, so we all tend to get deer every year. How many guys have a friend who never gets a deer? |
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more data, how much more do you want
The guess here is that thousands of Michigan hunters will do just that again this fall as the leaves change color, the air grows crisp, the smell of apple cider fills the air, and pigskins fly between the Wolverines and the Buckeyes. 2004 harvest: Approximately 450,000. Bow harvest: Approximately 125,000. Muzzleloader harvest: Approximately 43,000. Firearm harvest: Approximately 265,000. Special seasons: Approximately 17,000. Number of licensed deer hunters: 756,000. Deer hunter success rates: 43 percent. Number of bowhunters: 318,000. Bowhunter success rates: 31 percent. Number of muzzleloader hunters: 208,000. Muzzleloader success rates: 19 percent. Number of firearm hunters: 653,000. Firearm success rates: 33 percent. |
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ORIGINAL: atlasman ORIGINAL: ghemry I agree, but if you take notice of those pics you will see one common thing. Most of the mature deer standingover the corn come to it at night. The night was the only refuge that a deer had left............now even that is gone. [quote}Second point if we have such a great advantage why is the success rate 30%(on average) for bowhunters? Looks like the deer win most of the time. [/quote] Now when I read the above post I read "Atlas does not like game camera's and he thinks they should not be used." The night was the only refuge that a deer had left............now even that is gone. Who really cares, it is legal and there property. |
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Dude is gonna make me puke... This thread is like a dumb show ,, you know its dumb but yet you keep coming back to watch to see what else is gonna be said. ~Pounds head in desk~
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ORIGINAL: livbucks I am glad you hunt deer, I hope you shoot a big one Atlas was the one who enlightened me to the dining pleasure that venison can bring. Until I conversed with him, I wouldn't even eat the stuff. I still think it's easier to throw a beef steak on the grill and be done with it, but venison can be tasty if you put in the effort. I like it.  Bigg'uns..........or a bunch of little'uns...........it all looks the same in a zip-loc. |
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ORIGINAL: ghemry Now when I read the above post I read "Atlas does not like game camera's and he thinks they should not be used." Wrong again............maybe you should just stick with reading the words that are on the screen........instead of trying to find the ones between the lines. Here is a hint............there's none there. If you want to know what I mean just read what I say. Very simple. This is my favorite line[&o] I think you might cry, lol Who really cares, it is legal and there property. |
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OK Atlas I guess all this talk is just babble, have a good year.
I hope no one takes a picture of your deer and runs it out of town trying to kill it. Which is why it is so hard for you to shoot a big one. All the Camerapossykillers are running off your deer. LOL Even worse!!! Those are deer that few.......if anyone would ever even know exist in that area without those things. That is becoming an ever increasing topic of off season chatter around gun clubs and hunting camps (at least around here)......."Man, I got some pics of a great buck over by blah blah blah. So when bow season comes it gets hunted like a gauntlet and if he survives the drives during gun season will be relentless. Maybe the guy who took the pics gets him.........maybe he doesn't. The point is that word gets out and the wild eyed possy now has spots x'd all over their maps as to where these bucks might be. |
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ORIGINAL: ghemry I hope know one takes a picture of your deer and runs it out of town trying to kill it. So what do you think the success rate our in NY? Do you even have a clue how or where they get those stats from? How about some p values, confidence intervals, std dev, mean, median, mode..................SOMETHING of actual value please. It amazes me how many people just gulp down the stuff the DEC's shovel out there and take it as the gospel truth. |
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Please let this nightmare end. Won't you two bump uglys elsewhere.
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man you are good, lol
I just wondered I could not find it on DEC site. Dec site is pretty poor compared to other states. I am terribleat grammar, oh well. That is why I am a software developer[8D] You take your shots, I could careless. Did you hear that a camera just went off somewhere in the woods. I think your deer is headed to Canada. All I know if my 2005 resume was a spike(you thought was a doe) and two fawns I would keep quite until I redeem myself next year. Trust me we all have those years. Good luck with your fair chase thing!! |
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lol now your digging deep.
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ORIGINAL: ghemry All I know if my 2005 resume was a spike(you thought was a doe) and two fawns I would keep quite until I redeem myself next year. Trust me we all have those years. Last year was GREAT!! 3 with a bow.......everyone in my family filled tags......big bro and dad broke slumps. We still have meat in the freezer. I'll take a year like that anytime man. Good luck with your fair chase thing!! How is it that a software developer who's job it is to write code can't master the quote feature of a chat room? |
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Only fair I care about is in East Dallas every October. The Texas State Fair!
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Alright I am done Atlas I have been yanking your chain.
I have three monitors open right now, one I am writing a web service, they other I am running maintence on my 6 SQL Database's, and the third I am messy with you. It is all babble, not from you, from me. Nobody does thequote thing like you. On a serious note I know some folks gave you grief about the pictures you took of the deer in your backyard. I always enjoyed them, I do hope you post them again:D Have a good night |
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Just so folks know the truth, I went from memory what I wrote about the spike you shot last year. Let us see how close I was...
atlasman:Well guys here is my story. Shot what I thought was a doe on opening day of the season.........found out it was a spike when I tracked it down. Oops. So my buck tag was gone in one day and he scores less then one of Motown's main beams I will probably post a more detailed story in the main forum. Nice hunting with you guys this year and sorry I couldn't help out more. Here is what you said earlier: atlasman: Don't make it sound like I shot something by accident. It was getting an arrow either way. |
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Atlas,
Bend over. Take foot out of mouth, and insert into arse. You just got served. |
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I just want to add, I've enjoyed reading this post for 2 days now. Thanks for the good pop spittin' laughs guys. :DI would try to add a positive note, but I know it'll help nothing. ;)
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Atlas, if you're going to attack someone for their poor grammar, please make sure yours is absolutely perfect. Your posts are no where near looking like you've mastered the english language, so please, for the love of God, stop trying to be funny by insulting someone else's poor grammar.
It makes you look ignorant, and you're only compounding things by continuing to attack someone about it. Thanks in advance. |
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Looks like he is wearing camo in the picture too.
Now, that's not fair chase, is it? :):D;) |
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Very interesting but seemingly pointless thread.
I enjoyed the show however.  |
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NO WONDER!!!
Does and button bucks don't care about Whisker Biscuit noise! I've been duped!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jeff;) |
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Ouch! Busted!
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Holy mackerl Andy, you mean Atlas shoots a compound, wears camo, has a whisker bisquit, high tech arrows and even a bandana it looks like and shoots little bucks. I ask you, is that "Fair Chase"?[8D][8D][8D][8D]LOL Holy Cow, he even has a release on the string. Oh the misery of it all.
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Anybody can shoot a monster like that when they have all that high-tec equipment.
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You notice he has one of "those" grins that says I am macho.[8D][8D][8D][8D][8D] You're alright Atlas.:D:D
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Atlas, disregard my earlier reply to this thread. [&:]
Really comical thread! The way people take offense to statements that were notoffensive cracks me up. Though, I have been guilty of it myself. However, I think you worded it "just right" so that it would create a tornado! [8D] To comment on original post, I agree "FC" is just silly for us to say.Like I said before, "hunting has to be unfair for a hunt to be sucessful". |
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ORIGINAL: txmarshmonkey "hunting has to be unfair for a hunt to be sucessful". Tom |
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ORIGINAL: ghemry On a serious note I know some folks gave you grief about the pictures you took of the deer in your backyard. I always enjoyed them, I do hope you post them again:D Have a good night I had 5 fawns and their mothers in my yard last night but I was in the pool..........by the time I grabbed my camera they had moved too far away for pics. Would have been nice since they al still have their spots. |
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ORIGINAL: ghemry Just so folks know the truth, I went from memory what I wrote about the spike you shot last year. Let us see how close I was... atlasman:Well guys here is my story. Shot what I thought was a doe on opening day of the season.........found out it was a spike when I tracked it down. Oops. So my buck tag was gone in one day and he scores less then one of Motown's main beams I will probably post a more detailed story in the main forum. Nice hunting with you guys this year and sorry I couldn't help out more. Here is what you said earlier: atlasman: Don't make it sound like I shot something by accident. It was getting an arrow either way. Exactly.............it was getting shot either way.........but I did think it was a doe. The oops was for my not helping the team.........not my shot. I thought the 2 button bucks I shot were does too........until I rolled them over ;) |
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ORIGINAL: James Vee Atlas, Bend over. Sorry James........I am married.........to a WOMAN. You will have to find someone else to be your "partner" |
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ORIGINAL: Washington Hunter Atlas, if you're going to attack someone for their poor grammar, please make sure yours is absolutely perfect. Your posts are no where near looking like you've mastered the english language, so please, for the love of God, stop trying to be funny by insulting someone else's poor grammar. It makes you look ignorant, and you're only compounding things by continuing to attack someone about it. Thanks in advance. I'm sorry but when I see a post from an adult that reads like "I don't no about how loud your bow is but mine shur is quite" I think it is pretty clear who it makes look ignorant ;) |
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I can hardly wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeff:D |
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