WHA ARTICLE IN OUTDOOR LIFE
08-24-2006, 08:48 PM
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RE: WHA ARTICLE IN OUTDOOR LIFE
ORIGINAL: Greg / MO
tsoc, I am going to include this thread among those links grouped together in my post.
Very, very disgusting, to put it plainly. And remember how Washington Hunter called out one of the Farbman plants in our dialogue when I used a religious analogy to make a point? That posteracted like he didn't want to hear or see anything linked to religion -- even if it was just an analogy to make a point. WH nailed him on it right away, and rightly so -- especially after hearing this idiot Farbman trot out this "visionary" concept.
Guys, we have indeed won some battles -- and I've been proud to have been on the front lines with you. But... there is still a war to be fought.
tsoc, I am going to include this thread among those links grouped together in my post.
Very, very disgusting, to put it plainly. And remember how Washington Hunter called out one of the Farbman plants in our dialogue when I used a religious analogy to make a point? That posteracted like he didn't want to hear or see anything linked to religion -- even if it was just an analogy to make a point. WH nailed him on it right away, and rightly so -- especially after hearing this idiot Farbman trot out this "visionary" concept.
Guys, we have indeed won some battles -- and I've been proud to have been on the front lines with you. But... there is still a war to be fought.
I won't be satisfied until the WHA is a thing of the past, and as it stands now it is still a very big problem we have to deal with.
Until we can refer to Farbman's vision in the past tense, I won't be happy.
08-24-2006, 08:49 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: WHA ARTICLE IN OUTDOOR LIFE
A link to the Outdoor Life articles:
http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/hunting/article/0,19912,1290970-1,00.html
http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/hunting/article/0,19912,1290970-1,00.html
08-24-2006, 09:00 PM
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RE: WHA ARTICLE IN OUTDOOR LIFE
This is taken directly from the article;
“I think you’re going to see real changes in the way the world will look at hunting,” says Farbman, who imagines hunting trips for kids, women and the physically challenged. “Are we here to make a profit?” he asks. “Yes—shoot me. But that’s not the objective. This is to build the whole industry and to raise the image of hunters.”
Well at least I can agree with Farbman on one thing -- this will definitely change the way the world will look at hunting. Too bad thats about as far as the agreeing goes. This is going to pervert our sport, its going to be nothing more than another reality TV, pay-per-view, stereotypical, drama fest.
It honestly makes me sick to think that this may really be allowed to happen.
The second biggest thing I had a problem with was this;
“I didn’t come to do this as a venture,” he says, shifting to thoughts that the WHA is inspired by a higher calling. “I did it because I believe it’s God’s vision, and we’re going to carry it out.”
Again, God's vision? Give me a break. Show me in the bible where God said unto Abraham, let the animals be killed for monetary gain. Makes me want to puke. [:'(]
“I think you’re going to see real changes in the way the world will look at hunting,” says Farbman, who imagines hunting trips for kids, women and the physically challenged. “Are we here to make a profit?” he asks. “Yes—shoot me. But that’s not the objective. This is to build the whole industry and to raise the image of hunters.”
Well at least I can agree with Farbman on one thing -- this will definitely change the way the world will look at hunting. Too bad thats about as far as the agreeing goes. This is going to pervert our sport, its going to be nothing more than another reality TV, pay-per-view, stereotypical, drama fest.
It honestly makes me sick to think that this may really be allowed to happen.
The second biggest thing I had a problem with was this;
“I didn’t come to do this as a venture,” he says, shifting to thoughts that the WHA is inspired by a higher calling. “I did it because I believe it’s God’s vision, and we’re going to carry it out.”
Again, God's vision? Give me a break. Show me in the bible where God said unto Abraham, let the animals be killed for monetary gain. Makes me want to puke. [:'(]
08-24-2006, 10:16 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: WHA ARTICLE IN OUTDOOR LIFE
This is to build the whole industry and to raise the image of hunters.”
Are there other high-fence hunting operations? Yes. Do other shows sometimes have a competitive format? Again, yes. Is there money or fame to be gained? Possibly.
Here's the difference:
THEY DON'T CLAIM TO BE THE SAVIOUR OF OUR SPORT AND INSIST ON SPEAKING FOR ME AND THE REST OF MY HUNTING COMMUNITY BRETHREN!!
Doing so mandates that I place this Farbman character under a microscope and examine his intentions, and I don't like anything he stands for or proposes.
08-24-2006, 10:42 PM
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Typical Buck
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RE: WHA ARTICLE IN OUTDOOR LIFE
ORIGINAL: Greg / MO
I think this is what it all boils down to for me. I've seen fellow HNI posters ask why I see this differently (the question was posed to the general populace) than some of the other events already in existence (e.g., Drury's Dream Season, etc.). This quote, as posted above by WH, sums up what irritates me so greatly.
Are there other high-fence hunting operations? Yes. Do other shows sometimes have a competitive format? Again, yes. Is there money or fame to be gained? Possibly.
Here's the difference:
THEY DON'T CLAIM TO BE THE SAVIOUR OF OUR SPORT AND INSIST ON SPEAKING FOR ME AND THE REST OF MY HUNTING COMMUNITY BRETHREN!!
Doing so mandates that I place this Farbman character under a microscope and examine his intentions, and I don't like anything he stands for or proposes.
This is to build the whole industry and to raise the image of hunters.”
Are there other high-fence hunting operations? Yes. Do other shows sometimes have a competitive format? Again, yes. Is there money or fame to be gained? Possibly.
Here's the difference:
THEY DON'T CLAIM TO BE THE SAVIOUR OF OUR SPORT AND INSIST ON SPEAKING FOR ME AND THE REST OF MY HUNTING COMMUNITY BRETHREN!!
Doing so mandates that I place this Farbman character under a microscope and examine his intentions, and I don't like anything he stands for or proposes.
Well put, master jedi. 
08-24-2006, 10:45 PM
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Boone & Crockett
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RE: WHA ARTICLE IN OUTDOOR LIFE
ORIGINAL: Greg / MO
I think this is what it all boils down to for me. I've seen fellow HNI posters ask why I see this differently (the question was posed to the general populace) than some of the other events already in existence (e.g., Drury's Dream Season, etc.). This quote, as posted above by WH, sums up what irritates me so greatly.
Are there other high-fence hunting operations? Yes. Do other shows sometimes have a competitive format? Again, yes. Is there money or fame to be gained? Possibly.
Here's the difference:
THEY DON'T CLAIM TO BE THE SAVIOUR OF OUR SPORT AND INSIST ON SPEAKING FOR ME AND THE REST OF MY HUNTING COMMUNITY BRETHREN!!
Doing so mandates that I place this Farbman character under a microscope and examine his intentions, and I don't like anything he stands for or proposes.
This is to build the whole industry and to raise the image of hunters.”
Are there other high-fence hunting operations? Yes. Do other shows sometimes have a competitive format? Again, yes. Is there money or fame to be gained? Possibly.
Here's the difference:
THEY DON'T CLAIM TO BE THE SAVIOUR OF OUR SPORT AND INSIST ON SPEAKING FOR ME AND THE REST OF MY HUNTING COMMUNITY BRETHREN!!
Doing so mandates that I place this Farbman character under a microscope and examine his intentions, and I don't like anything he stands for or proposes.
08-25-2006, 08:01 AM
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Dominant Buck
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RE: WHA ARTICLE IN OUTDOOR LIFE
Hey guys.....I agree that our sport is sort of a sanctuary. Maybe we don't want our life's passion to be treated like other sports. Maybe.
But.....playing devil's advocate.....
There's likely people who feel JUST as passionately about the sport of football.....as we do about ours. If you treat "hunting" like a "sport"......then what's the difference if you have cheerleaders or not? Crowds?? Glamour????
"I" (now, me personally) think the problem "I" have is that I don't view hunting as a "sport". It's MUCH deeper/more spiritual/more lifestyle than that, for "Me". In that regard (and in that regard, only)....do I have a problem with what Farbman's doing. There's likely a LOT of people that aren't into hunting.....that may want to try it after seeing this show (remember all the golfers that Tiger inspired??????). Do we want all of them in our "sport"? I can' tanswer that one for you.
Just a different way to look at it.
Jeff
But.....playing devil's advocate.....
There's likely people who feel JUST as passionately about the sport of football.....as we do about ours. If you treat "hunting" like a "sport"......then what's the difference if you have cheerleaders or not? Crowds?? Glamour????
"I" (now, me personally) think the problem "I" have is that I don't view hunting as a "sport". It's MUCH deeper/more spiritual/more lifestyle than that, for "Me". In that regard (and in that regard, only)....do I have a problem with what Farbman's doing. There's likely a LOT of people that aren't into hunting.....that may want to try it after seeing this show (remember all the golfers that Tiger inspired??????). Do we want all of them in our "sport"? I can' tanswer that one for you.
Just a different way to look at it.
Jeff
08-25-2006, 01:30 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: WHA ARTICLE IN OUTDOOR LIFE
what gets me is how he criticizes boone and crockett andthe ideas of "big deer contests" at deer camps, its not like were playin for hundreads of thousands of dollars there plus if one guy shoots a nice 8 point im certainly not goin to pass up a smaller deer just to try to win or get my name in some book, a trophy is a trophy to the guy who gets it, i hunt had as many days as possible and i'll be damn proud of a smaller 6 point i shoot on the last day regardless