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It never ceases to amaze me how many idiots think that there is nothing at all to bowhunting but to get a bow, get some arrows, walk in the woods, and then kill a deer. We've had a new Cabelas store move into the area and suddenly all kinds of idiots are taking up bowhunting and honestly it's quite scarey what these idiots are thinking! They spend hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on all the latest high-tech equipment and buy the most expensive camo and scent-lock type suits and then head out to the timbers to begin their wounding seige on unsuspecting deer. More and more I'm all for having to pass some type of required competency field test before someone can be permitted to bowhunt. These people are going to hurt themselves or someone else, not to mention the amount of deer they are going to wound or not find because they have no clue on how to blood trail an arrowed deer or even how to field dress a deer if they are lucky enough to actually find one. I was lucky when I started and had good friends that helped me but I made sure I had some kind of clue what the hell I was doing before I ever carried a bow into the woods. However, I would not have minded going through a "bow"hunters safety course or something prior to being able to purchase a tag. What do you all think? If you are reading this and you are an idiot...please seek help.
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I second that, I'm with you.
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I myself have hunted with a bow for over 26 years. I think it would be a great idea for a bow safty class like they have a gun safty class. I beleive that you should also pass a shooting test with yourt own gear after you have completed a bow class, something like hitting a 12" circle at 20yds a certain number of times. It makes me sick when some hunters take shots they shouldn't. Head on shots, Texas heart shots, etc. Please have respect for the game your hunting and take a killing shot.
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I agree Wolfen. Unfortunately, thats the way it is...pretty much everywhere. My buddy that owned a proshop for quite a while would have plenty of folks come in the day before the season started, and say they wanted to bowhunt this year, and needed a license, bow, arrows, etc...."oh and could you get it shooting close...I'm going out tomorrow" <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle> That alone almost caused him to sell the shop...
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> If you are reading this and you are an idiot...please seek help. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> As usual...you are cracking me up<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Hey can you email me @ [email protected] Thanks Mike |
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Aahh... But that's what makes them an idiot. Not knowing they are one!
Funnin' aside. Good point Wolfen. I too had a "mentor" help me with my bowhunting. I'm just starting my second year bow hunting and I still seek help & assistance. When I got my first deer, I was able to call & get some assistance field dressing. Now that I've seen the process "live", I'll have little trouble the next time. I will say that it helps being able to seek information here as well. "It's not the kill, it's the adventure and challenge! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>" |
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i agree %100 actually a few states have required bow hunters to take a bow safty class i tokk one this last yeer and it was really fun.. i am not shure what states require it but i think texas is one of them..
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I agree also. Before i really got into bowhunting i read everything i could find on bow hunting and my grandmother bought me a suscription to petersons hunting mag and the first thing i would do is go straight to the chuck adams articles.. I then got my brothers old Bear Polar LTD out of the closet and set it up and started shooting. I shot that bow so much that i was able to ROBIN HOOD arrows from 30 and 40 yards on a pretty regular bases. Then i got my blitzenburger fletching jig and my Larry Wise how to tune your bow and broadhead books and it was all history after that!!!!!!!
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amen to that! I also had knowledgeable bowhunters guiding me along the way. I have to say, there is nothing like having the perfect peers!!!
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I agree. However, remember required gun hunter safety courses have not eliminated the idiots. I would like to believe they have reduced their numbers...
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Where's the "Idiot's get help here" door? LoL. I didn't (don't) have anyone to show me the ropes. No one in my family hunts. I know a few people that do, but with my work schedule ( weekends are my busiest time) I can almost never make it work with their schedules. Now pheasant hunting is a group sport, but bowhunting around here anyway is almost Sacred. Most don't want the added pressure on the land of another hunter and most don't want an "apprentice".
I'm 31 years old and this is my second year deer hunting ( Mostly Bow) and I had to figure it out for myself. Luckily there are forums like this and people that have been around to guide and share tips. I agree there should be a competency test, but I'd be happy if the IDIOTS" carry a bow instead of a gun. And as for me, I'm still trying to find that "idiots get help here" sign and reading every post in this dang place! Trushot }}------> Edited by - trushot_archer on 11/05/2002 17:25:58 |
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in texas you have to take the bowhunter safety course to hunt public land, and for a lot of the draw hunts on the wildlife preserves and such, you have to qualify on a 3-d range, but im not sure exactly what score u have to have. i think u have to average 8s.
i took the bowhunter safety course at the end of summer, and i think it was the biggest waste of time ever. the instructor was more than incompetent, and at the end, he didnt even give us the test because he had wasted 8 hours of our day already. some of the people that were taking the course scared me too, and i would hate to be in the woods with them. one guy was talking about shooting deer with a rifle on his 2 acre plot, down a valley towards someone elses house. he was asking "is this a good shot? it was about 200 yds away, and it was downhill towards my neighbors house." that scared me... |
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wolfen68 - that's quite the store isn't it? I still just like going to Earl's. At least Earl makes sure you're sighted in and setup properly. I was out at Cabela's last weekend and was amazed at how many future archer's I get to share the field with. Kinda scary really. Especially since KC has such an agressive harvest plan. I forget the numbers, but KC, MO archers can take something like 5-7 deer within city limits.
It won't be long before we do have to take some competency test. Hopefully the DNR does it and not Cabelas. No offence to them, but I'd bet if you bought your bow from them, you'd pass that test... Edited by - Merit on 11/05/2002 18:13:10 |
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"competency field test" I agree with that 100%!
Is there anyone who doesn't agree with that?  "Nocked,cocked & ready to rock" |
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This is my first year to bow hunting and yes, I got myself set through our local Cabela's store in Dundee, Michigan. However, I have the utmost respect for the deer in the area I hunt. I am learning as much as I can and not try to do some of the things I see that other people on this forum have said not to do. I also know enough not to take a shot with my bow unless I have a clear and accurate shot.
I consider hunting a privilege and enjoyment within the wild. I own a business and getting into the woods is relaxation to me. In my humble opinion, when you are a beginning hunter, no question is a dumb question and I always respect the hunter who has more experience than me. Even though there is a a lot of BS out there, you are always learning. |
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I think it's worse on public land. I have to deal with half the non hunting idiots from Md with there 30-30's and there beer cans!!!! They go to walmart the day before deer season to get there hunting license.....
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I think calling uneducated newcomers "idiots" is harsh. When I started at age 14, I knew very little about bowhunting, shot selection, tracking, equipment setup and usage, etc... and that was even AFTER I had taken a bowhunter's education course. For the first four years, my hunting skills were so poor that I posed no threat to deer. <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle> It wasn't until I gained experience that I began to understand how to hunt and to take game cleanly and routinely.
Most of these newcomers aren't idiots, they're just suckered in by slick marketing, promises of guaranteed kills, and big bucks. Pick up any magazine, watch any hunting show, talk to any pro shop clerk about how to get started in bowhunting, and the bowhunting intro is always the same. "So ya want to be a bowhunter, huh? Well if you're "serious" (the requisite buzzword), you'll need to this $800 MQ0U812 rocket bow, these $100 carbon arrows, this $100 scope, this $100 nifty flip-down rest, this $300 laser rangefinder, this $200 no-stink camo, this $200 treestand, this $20 call, these super $30 spring-open broadheads, these $10 bottles of urine, this $20 bottle of blood trail finder spray..." Barely is there any mention of equipment matching, tuning, or shooting, animal routines, locating game, hunting methods, shot selection, tracking, field dressing, or care for meat. Good Lord, the poor newcomer leaves the store with 3 months less mortgage payments, but feeling he's equipped like Arnold Schwartzenegger. As far as he is concerned, he's already paid for his deer and all that's left is to go shoot it. He does have a bow that shoots 300 fps afterall and broadheads that will open up and cut a deer in half, right? The sad truth is that the newcomer would be better off owning just 1/4 the crap he just bought in a much simpler form and get himself better educated as to shooting, equipment tuning and limitations, and to hunting. Like me, the newcomer will learn with time and his own experience...faster if he has another hunter teaching him the ropes. Fortunately, I do see many newcomers posing questions on these boards. Though I am not for "mandatory" ANYTHING (we have enough "mandatories" in our lives), I think all would be well "advised" to take a bowhunter's course. That would help them along a little anyway. The rest will have to come on their own or under personal guidance. I suppose the biggest part of why I answer alot of questions on these boards is because I enjoy being able to offer advise that could help someone in bowhunting. I'll even answer the sincere "is a butt shot OK"-type threads, wincing perhaps, but not blasting the questioner for what he simply does not know. |
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Hey yall, I dont mean to be the annoying english teacher here, but it always annoys me when someone says something like "Gun hunting" or "bow saftey class"... I just want to know why can't we say Archery, or Modern Firearms? <img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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I cant agree more with you wolfman. Im only 16 years old right now and i hunt by myself. I got a great deal of knowledge from my dad. He didnt let me hunt with a bow or shotgun until i had gone out with him for 2 years and watched. So i think i got started off the right way. But i think way to many people are just going out and shooting animals for the fun of it these days. Granted field dressing isnt the easiest thing in the world to do b/c i just got my first field dressing job last sunday evening and its pretty tough the first time but ill get the hang of it. But i think everyone should be required to take a safety course of some sort before they take up the sport. And another thing i really hate poachers!!!
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archery? modern firearm? huhhh<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle> what is wrong bow or riffle I guess the yuppies are calling riffles modern fire arms now? Anyn way I 100% totaly agree personaly I think we have alot of those buy a bow today wound a deer tommarow people here. A couple of days ago there was a guy who said it was almost dark too dark to see that the deer had antler's there was brush in the way and he had to stand on his tip toes to shoot over the crotch of a tree and he still had to aim high and "hope" for a high lung shot. He wound up getting lucky and spining the deer. When I questioned him and told him he made a bad decision and got luck and that what he did was unethical he said that was a "good shot and numerous people came to his defense and said I was putting my nose where it didn't belong to top it off there is even question of if the deer was leagal or not. People like this make me SICK! Even if the deer was legal he still had no buisnes taking that shot and all he was doing was "shooting and hopeing" he just happened to get lucky this time.
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I'm a Yuppy now?
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I welcome any idiot who just like 90% of you had to learn to hunt at some time and I hope that more of them than not figure out the importance of ethics and respect for the animal and other hunters. I think we need to cut the condemning crap out just because we have learned to shoot straight. I don't want to join in a call for legislating anything but the right to hunt. $.02 from a free man.
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i agree, this is my first year bowhunting im only 16 and i have shot all summer everyday and i wouldnt have gone out with out my dad hes been hunting for about 30 years he helps me along alot i wish there was a test i could go and take im all for it i think its dumb for someone to go out with out being able to shoot there bow i made my self not go out till i could put all 6 arrows in the kill zone time after time i even built a tree stand in my tree to shoot from i think every one need to be shooting atleast 6 months to a year before able to go and hunt i agree strongly
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New York requires a bowhunting safety course but any idiot can pass I had two guys in my class that could not speak english but passed after being walked through the test. I have only been bowhunting for four years ( have to start somewhere nobody starts with 20 yrs experience ). I shoot at lest three times a week during the offseason and spend many hours reading about deer, rut periods , scrapes , rubs , navagation etc.. I also spend most of the offseason scouting any land I can get access onto. I think some people are just too lazy and have a lack of respect, passion and love for deer and the outdoors
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I don't think that all newcomer's are idiots - or even that if you are not familiar with bowhunting, and start - that makes you an idiot. I will agree that there are plenty of them out there though. Someone else mentioned it, and I agree, bowhunting (not archery by the way - that's like what you take in High School Gym class<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>)is a sport where a mentor goes A LONG WAYS. Its difficult to learn on your own the feelings you have when you cannot recover a deer, or mistakes that you could have avoided if only someone could have offered advice - like do not follow to soon.....
I also think that the majority of Bowhunters are upstanding, resposible individuals - sure there are a few bad apples, and we should not tolerate known disdain for unethical behavior. But.... when a hunter is not aware that their actions are unethical, we should try not to judge, only to educate. Advice to all - If you know a new bowhunter, I'd encourage you to be a mentor.  |
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I agree that there should be an education class but as for being an idiot I guess I was one myself years ago when I knew nothing about bowhunting. I figued it out myself with magazines and hunting boards. I read read and read some more then I went into the woods and got a nice buck 8 pointer and he only went 40 yeards and used a lot of tips I got from this board too. But it would be perfect if everyone had a father figure that hunted so to show you the way to do it but not everyone has that chance. I can only do my part in that if and when my wife and I have a little one that I will be able to show him or her how to do it and not have to go through what I did to get to where I am right now.
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Better be careful what you wish for.A competentcy test just might have you sitting on the sidelines.The safety course is mandatory for the first time license in Maine.In my class few were rookie hunters.Most were adults that wanted to expand their hunting experience.A competency test has no bearing on how you will do as a hunter.
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Oh sure, a test administered by the state. One more way for big brother to take some of your hard earned money.
We all started at some time or another and didn't know jack. To classify new hunters as idiots? What, they movin in on your turf. Any self respecting bow shop owner would advise the new hunter to practice, practice, practice. And then of course make the sale. They are after all in business to make money, not better bowhunters. Just my 2 cents worth. "Kill'em and Grill'em" By The Nug (aka Ted Nugent) |
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I dont believe that the beginners are idiots, I just want to welcome them to the wonderful world of archery hunting. Yes I do agree that we need some type of field test, but for the most part I believe it should be an accuracy test, and then getting into shot placement on wild game. These beginners should have already completed a hunter safety course, and be well knowledged on safety. I dont know what the safety course is like these days, but when I completed the course years ago it was a great tool to applying safety to hunting, and also got into shot placement and wild game.
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For those who think I'm calling all beginners "idiots", I'm certainly NOT!!! I'm talking about the idiots who perform zero in the way of due diligence and put themselves and others safety at risk and who have a very high likelihood of wounding game because they are idiots. Now...watch how many fellas will insist on coming to the defense of all beginners as not being idiots despite the fact that I just explained that all beginners are NOT idiots. By the way, some very good posts...didn't know if I'd get flamed on this deal or not. BowNC...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Cyclone,
I couldn't agree more. Heck, let's just let PeTA run the proficiency tests while we're at it. JRW |
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I do agree with the idea of a proficiency test that should be associated with a bowhunting license.
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I’ll pile on with AK.
Without an accomplished mentor it’s very difficult for a new bowhunter to appreciate the depth and breadth of our sport. The journey that starts with an urge to hunt with a bow and ends with a meal of venison on the table is much more than shooting a deer with an arrow. Think about all the things you need to know and be good at to make that “journey”. My dad didn’t hunt so I didn’t get started until my father-in-law got a hold of me 22 years ago. He didn’t bowhunt, but I was immediately captivated by the thought of it. I was what some on this board would call an idiot the first few years as I stumbled and bumbled my way through the woods. Remember I was a city boy who had previously never left the sidewalk so even navigating the woods was a challenge never mind figuring out where a deer might live or how to get within 15 or 20 yards of one. Looking back I chuckle at all the silly mistakes I made, worthless equipment I bought and how many “sure fire” stand sites I’d located. Those of you without a mentor that can remember back that far, were you any different? |
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A bowhunting course before a bow license would be a great idea in my opinion.
Wolfen, i'd still rather be around all the new "idiot" bow guys in the woods that all the new "idiot" gun guys. If somebody were to just start hunting, and had the metality of I know nothing but want to hunt, i'd rather give them a bow before a rifle, even if they had a safety course. The problem lies to both rifle and bow hunters. I've put a lot of scopes on rifles for people, along with boresighting them. All that boresighting does is put you in paper at 100 yards. I make sure I tell these guys that, but I know many won't shoot their next shot until it's at a deer. A bad deal, some people just need to be informed more on hunting, along with more safety and education classes for all kinds of hunting sports. Since a lot of the hunters out their are city hunters, who didn't grow up around hunting as a lifestyle. Educating people is the key! Visit My Hunting Page |
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Wow Wolfen68, I haven't posted on this forum for almost a year but I see that you are still stirring the pot. I agree with most of what you say and many of the beginner's are idiots but many of them are just learning through experience and unfortunately, that includes making mistakes. Hopefully, the ones that continue in this sport, will learn from these mistakes and get better because of them. Then in 5 or 10 years they will be condemming the beginners that follow in their footsteps. If you want to see real idiots, step onto to some state owned land next Friday, the 15th in Michigan (Opening day of gun -- I mean modern firearm season) and be sure to wear bulletproof outerwear.
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Wolfen, good post. I understand what AK and some others are saying about newbies not all being idiots, but it is how the newbie goes about being new to the sport which will determine if he/she will be a bowhunter or an idiot. We all had to start somewhere and some of us were fortunate enough to have mentors others were not. I had some mentors, but looking back on their style of "hunting" some of them probably fit more into the idiot category, so I am for the most part self taught. If a newbie buys the gear and works to become proficient at it, joins boards like this, reads magazine articles, seeks pro shop help, and attempts to learn as much as possible before hitting the field, chances are that person will become a welcome member to the bowhunting community. However, if a person buys their gear shortly before the season, puts little effort into learning their gear, expects their gear to perform regardless of their expertise, and walks into the woods with little to no knowledge, that person is obviously an idiot. Those are the ones that are a black eye to our sport. They are the ones the antis love to hate and make it easy to state their case. A REAL proficiency test would eliminate them or force them to get the knowledge they need for success. I am all for a test like that.
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i am 16 as well and this is my 1st year bowhunting too. i have learned much through you guys, magazines, the internet, and my father. Here in NJ you have to get a home study kit and watch the video. then fill out a huge packet (Like 20 pages) and then go and take a test. it has the "General" part and the "bowhunting" part. then you need to shoot 3 arrows out of 5 into a 12" circle at a distance not told to you (limited at 20 yards) THEN you need to take a "nature" walk and they have different targets set up and you need to identify the target and guess the distance, shot placement, and seasons. then i shot, it was like 40 degrees and windy as anything. i still put the 1st 3 into the 12" circle, and got a 100% on the written test. it was no easy piece of cake, but i think they are doing a good job in nj
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