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KoBear, that test sounds like it's very good. Can anyone take it? I'd be interested in looking at it and maybe taking it just for kicks. I've also been thinking about starting an instructional class with other hunters in my area to help out newcomers and that test might give me some ideas.

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Here in NJ you are required to take a bowhunters education course. My wife and son had to take it last year and it required 6 hours of classes with a test at the end and also they had to shoot 3 out of 5 arrows in a 12" circle with thier own equipment.

The Brown-Down is ON!!!!

Steven J. Collins (Trock63)
Bowdaddy Productions

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I agree that a bowhunter sahety class should be mandatory in all states but to be honest the one I attended really didn't impress me too much. I believe an annual proficiency test should be a mandatory requirement as well. That, in my opinion, would at least eliminate the hunters who haven't practiced with their bows enough to consistently hit their target.

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Cyclone,

I agree, shooting deer and shooting target aren't the same thing. But if you can't hit a target you sure as hell aren't going to be able to hit a deer.

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Right after we pass the national mandatory proficiency test(which most of us over 30 would have flunked with our old gear) we need to pass the national mandatory bowhunting minimum age of 50 so I can hog the woods to myself. I am a redneck not a pinko neck. You guys are a hoot.

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I don't agree with it! Too much regulation already...Anybody with any sense knows that shootin targets and shootin deer ain't the same.

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The people we're talking about are the ones without &quot;any sense&quot;! The ones who couldn't put 3 out of 5 arrows in a pie plate at 20 yards.

Please explain &quot;too much regulation already&quot; and how you feel less regulation would better the deer herd , safety of hunters , etc.

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Better be careful what you wish for.A competentcy test just might have you sitting on the sidelines.The safety course is mandatory for the first time license in Maine.In my class few were rookie hunters.Most were adults that wanted to expand their hunting experience.A competency test has no bearing on how you will do as a hunter.
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If a competency test had me sitting on the sidelines , then I should be practicing , not hunting.

Please explain why you feel a competency test has no bearing on how you will do as a hunter.
From my observations , the people who cant shoot a group the size of a truck tire at the range dont suddenly gain their composure and put everything together when shooting at a live animal.

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The people wolfen are talking about are the one's who do some thing stupid and irresposible THEN ask questions. To the guy who said targets don't help and shooting targets and deer are differnt. I know 2 other people who said that to me before and both start shooting their bow a week or so before hunting season each year and wound 2-3 deer a year. I am not saying you do this but obviosly you don't shoot 3-D targets much. I started shooting 3-D competions about 8 or 9 years ago and 3-D has made me a much better hunter it helps with shot placement it realy helps for judging distance and it has made me a better archer but it sure as heck hasn't hurt my hunting any. Speaking for myself I try not get upset with some one for asking but I do get pissed when someone who carelessly and aimlessly went into the woods with out a clue and did something stupid if any one doesn't like it too bad. It is that persons responsibility to ask,learn and practice BEFORE they get in the woods. I will also call someone on poor shot judgement. Wolfen I agree everone else if you are learning feel free to ask you may even e-mail me but if you don't put an effort to learn and you are neglegent I am going to say what I think of you and your actions.

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I agree with several of you all about there NOT being education courses for bowhunters. Even though there are a few &quot;Idiots&quot; out there, not all beginners are idiots. Lack of knowledge about something does not make one an idiot. These type of posts makes all of the new guys/gals afraid of posting. This applies to all of the forums here. Seems to me that there has been way too many &quot;cut-downs&quot; of people. I know for a fact that just about all of us knew nadda, zilch, nothing about bowhunting the first time we picked up a bow. Did that make us idiots? I don't think so. Trial and error, trial and error and trial and error is the main teaching tool. Just as the aniimals we hunt, they make a mistake the first time, they may get away with it. The second time, they learn and remember. I am sure that any one of us could take another from this forum to his/her work, and have that person try to perform the same job duties that are done. 99% would be so called &quot;idiots&quot; when put into an unfamilar enviornment, and the table would switch when done vice-versa. When does it stop.

As far as bowhunting safety courses, I don't think so. Do we really want more regulation? I don't.
Where would the age limit begin? Here in Missouri, there is an age limit on the mandatory hunter's safety courses. If you are younger than a certain age, then you have to take it.

I have been hunting since I was 5. My grandfather, father, and uncles taught me right from wrong, and I live by it. But, since I was born after a certain date, I had to take a hunter's safety course, but, my mother, who has never shot a gun or even been hunting just to ride along, can LEGALLY go to Wal-Mart, buy a gun, some ammo, and a license, and go out in the timber. I think that education of hunters is a good thing, but should be for everybody, if not, voluntary.

Hunter's safety courses cover a broad range of what to do/not to do situations and ethics. We don't need more regulation.

Most of us had made a shot on an animal, and the unthinkable happens due to an unforeseen limb, yardage miscalculation, ect., and prolonged death is unevidable. Do we want our fellow hunters hollering about how much of an idiot we are? What if they don't believe the story you tell of the invisible limb, bad yardage judgement, and call for us to hang it up and take a course? We wouldn't like it at all. We have all made bad mistakes, and whether the others think it is so basically obvious that they would never make the same mistake, we all need to get a grip, step back for a minute, and think that maybe, just maybe, the one that made it really doesn't understand it, and needs to be taught without being made to feel like an ass.

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I am just starting out and my dad is showing me everything and its hard
Jeff

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I can not agree with you more on this one. It really disgust me every year to see these A holes come into my local shop in September, buy a bow and all the accesories, get it shot in with field points that day and go hunting. These are the types the ruin the sport and make a bad name for bowhunters. These are the people who usually end up wounding deer that end up being found, or shot during gun season.

I'm not saying that you have to eat, sleep and breath bowhunting to do it right, but I think people should have a little more common sense and respect for the animals we pursue and make a commitment to learning and tuning their equipment well before season so they don't wind up wounding everything.

Just my thoughts

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So that's about 27 for competency field testing and around 7 or so against...that is encouraging! Thanks for all the posts!

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WELL, well wolfen you have done it again!!! LOL

First of all I think all of you who are POed or felt offense at wolfen for calling Idiots, Idiots need to take a moment and reread his original post, he was not calling all newbies idiots at all, he said &quot;It never ceases to amaze me how many idiots think that there is nothing at all to bowhunting but to get a bow, get some arrows, walk in the woods, and then kill a deer&quot;

I agree with him 100% they are idiots! Some of them will remain idiots, others will get out there and realize they have their head up their fanny and do one of 2 things, either quit bow hunting or learn how to bow hunt. These are the same folks who think, that flying a plane is easy and anyone can do it.

Then you have the type of newbie we have on this board, they realize that there is more to bow hunting than buying a bow and arrows and hitting the woods. These newbies are the future of hunting those of us with hunting experience owe it to all the newbies to help them in every way we can.

The newbies here on this board are here to learn how to become bow hunters and better hunters. They have respect for their quarry and understand that it takes work, knowledge and patience to humanely harvest a deer.

Although I have never taken a bow safety course I had enough sense when I bought my first bow to practice the entire summer before I went out the first time, of course I had 20 years of gun hunting under my belt before I got my first bow and I had safety and hunting taught to me by 2 of the best hunters I have ever known, may God rest their souls, I owe them alot. There should be a overall hunters safety course and then a bow and gun course for anyone getting a license for the first time and also a proficiency test for the weapon/weapons they want a license for.

I must say I find it amusing when I hear &quot;We do not need more regs&quot;. Would you feel safer if there were no regs?

wolfen we have a lot of newer folks here that are not familiar with your style and as a result I think you were misunderstood and some folks felt their toes were stepped on.

The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club

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Bowfanatic,I have no confidence in allowing the Dept. of Whoever determine whether you, I or my neighbor is competent.Just look at the people that drive around the highways.

What would determine competent?I hardly think that a pie plate at 20 yards is competent.Where does that put you at 30 or 35 yds?Does everyone take a test or just newbies?I have watched veteran Trad and compound guys challenged by a pie plate at 20 yards and I have seen rookies knock the nocs off.How do you determine hunting competency?Are you willing to pay the added expense of implementing these tests?Maybe you are, but I would much rather take the responsibilities that are required of me as a hunter, be it bow or rifle, to be my responsibilities,and I don't what to have to measure up to anyone because anyway you slice it the bar is never level.

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Taz-I reread the original post and it sure sounds to me like idiot was used pretty freely and it came across to me as whining about first timers trying bowhunting without a proficiency test of some sort. I have only been posting here for a few months but see a lot of judgement being passed without any facts. How did wolf boy know all those guys he was seeing buy gear weren't planning on practicing or for that matter upgrading gear? My point on regs and laws is that our opponents are pushing plenty hard to regulate what we do and we don't need to be pushing for more restricions.Good hunting.

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Nmaineron wolfen is not saying every new person to bow hunting is an idiot he is saying that if you don't do your part to learn and practice and then you go into the woods and wound an animal or do varius other dumb stuff THEN COME HERE AND ASK QUESTION'S after the fact you have failed to do your part and then being you are an idiot. He is also saying that there are lots of new people who DO take the inititive to learn and practice BEFORE entering the woods and there for they ARE NOT IDIOTS. I read his post's and I was able to desifer this message why is it that some of you still after 3 pages of post's still have your heads to far up your rear end's to read. Also the pie plate test is good and bad I like the idea of the test no doubt but myself I think it should be smaller than a pie plate. For the one's of you who STILL don't understand how this would help is......... by making people take a test is so that people must practice and be good with their bow thus reducing the number of wounded and cripped deer. The only people I could possibly see not wanting this would be the people who would have trouble passing this test. Every one has taken a hunters saftey coarse and it didn't kill you and this course would be no differnt. How in the world would some thing that would help make people better hunter's be bad? Another way to regulate hunter's? How is that I don't feel that we over regulated I know it is another topic so I will start another thread.

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Reaper,I fail to see the wisdom after my 40 years in the woods that taking a competency test to see if I can hit a pie plate at 20 yds is going to make me a better hunter.How do you suggest we stop the fella that took his hunter ed course last week and stopped into the shop this week to pick out his gear and tommorrow he is hitting the big woods for the first time.Maybe we should have legislation drawn up to stop these people.Seems you must have forgot that you started once but of course with my head up my ass I couldn't have seen that you were born with a bow in your hand.God forbid you wound an animal with all your experience,they would just have to pull the plug on all of us.

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We have to pass a bowhunter saftey course in montana completely separate from the normal hunter saftey class. I'm all for it.

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I had to take a Safety course to get my bow license which in Maine is a requirement for all first time license applicants, bow and rifle.I didn't care for it because it was very basic and geared for the first time hunter.I am not saying that it is a bad thing.Some people need instruction on compass reading and general woods safety.

My whole problem with this thread is the competency issue and how it was presented.I know that most people will take it upon themselves to learn how to shoot their bow with some degree of accuracy and I'll bet most try and get as good as they can.As a rule I find bow people to be much more particular in their performance than gun people,especially those that participate in 3D.

Krisken,in all due respect,trying to get an instructor to proficiently
test every archery hunter for a full 3D course would be nearly impossible. Hunter safety instructors are volunteers at this point,instructors are hard to come by and so are the classes.I know some that couldn't coordinate a class to coincide with their work schedule and weren't allowed to hunt because of it.Some were denied classes simply because there weren't enough participants to warrant the instructors time.To tack on a profiency test would be a major burden and quite frankly I feel ineffective.

Ron

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Nmaineron I never said I was born with a bow in my. Personaly I shot bow for years before I ever hunted. I know that is not possible for every hunter but they should have atleast 2-3 months of regular practice before. Nmaineron you can't see how a test on shooting ability would help you be a better hunter? hunnnhh geeze where do some of you guy's come from? The way it makes people better is...

1. It would stop the buy a bow today hunt tommarow people from hunting until they were actualy ready to ethical hunt ith a bow good enough to have a good chance at killing what they shoot and not wounding it. Becouse they have to practice then take the test with their own bow.



2. You your self are probably a good shot but believe it or not there are guy's that could only hit a pie plate sized target at 20 yrd. 1 or 2 times outta 6 so in reality they would only hit 1 out of six deer they shoot at in the vitals. Is that the kinda hunter you would want hunting on the same property as your self?


conclusion= If bow hunter's have to take a test at a pre determined distance at a pre determined size target with a certain number % hits it will force people who want to bow hunt to practice and take the time to learn how to properly shoot their bow thus becoming better shooter's and not wounding as many game. If you can't see the good in an archer becoming a better shot you are blind.

Kirsken great idea on the 3-d test. I don't know what Nmaineron is talking about when he say's it would never work. In my area our local 3-d clubs shoot atleast 1 time a week all spring and summer there are plenty of volenteer's that would walk the course and shoot along with them to score their cards. They would be shooting any way so it wouldn't be a bad idea. While it is true they may not have all the volenteer's they would like they would still be able to fit people through just like they do the hunter's saftey coarse.

Now one more thing for Nmaineron:

quote: &quot;I fail to see the wisdom after my 40 years in the woods that taking a competency test is going to make me a better hunter.&quot; DUHHHH if you can't hit the broad side of a barn you will now have to hit your target or else you will have practice and retake the test until you may hunt. Just becouse you may be able to shoot good doesn't mean everyone else can!


Quote: &quot;How do we stop the fella that took his hunter saftey coarse last week then stopped at his local shop to get his gear and is now hitting the woods for the first time.&quot; DUHHHHHHH Thats what we are saying thats why we want them to be tested on their bow hunting skills. Then it will stop them from buying a bow today then hunting tommarrow becouse they would have to practice then take and pass the test before hunting.


Quote: &quot;Maybe we should draw up legislation to stop this.&quot; DUHHHHHHHH Thats what we are saying we should do.

Nmaineron all of those quotes were things you said. Have you even been reading what we are writing? I and others have answered your questions so why do you continue to argue. Read then understand PLEASE!

Everyone will have a deer get away sooner or later if they hunt. What we are trying to do is reduce the chances of that happening. We are not wanting to run people out of bow hunting. I think the people that have problems with test are worried about passing it. I also think these people don't understand you don't have to be a good shot for yourself you have to be a good shot for the deer you are shooting at WE ALL OWE IT TO THE GAME WE HUNT.

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Reaper, we are coming at this from to different directions.To me being able to shoot a bow has nothing to do with how you would do as a hunter.I am nobody special and when they set my bow up I was hitting a passable target before I left the shop.This does not make me a hunter.

The issue that got me involved was the suggestion that there should be mandatory testing for competency.I simply don't agree,there are to many variables that come into play when shooting in the field and to simulate that type of environment would be next to impossible.

I have through out my working career have had to take multiple competency tests.Not in any case is it ever reflective of actual working conditions.They are simply robotic walk throughs to satisfy some &quot;there ought to be law&quot; idea.Most &quot;idiots&quot; pass these tests with flying colors.In my eyes a waste of time and money and no real measure of competency.

If you want to incorporate a shooting phase into the safety course, be my guest.Be sure to sign up and see how effective it is.

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Man OH Man,...I NEVER thought I'd see the day when Tazman would support my buddy Wolfen68!!! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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TWANG in reality I think Wolfen and I agree on a lot more things than either of us will admit! LOL

Twang what is your opinion, would you let your kid go bow hunting if they couldn't hit a pie plate 6 out of 6 times at 20?

Would you let them go if they had no idea where the vitals are or what is a good or bad shot on a deer?

Do you feel it is fair to the deer for someone to be cut loose in the woods that would try a texas heart shot?

Twang I am pulling your chain!!! LOL

I must say I am surprised that wolfen has not said more.

The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club

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NMAINERON you still have not answered my question. &quot; how are you as a hunter over regulated&quot;?

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Not sure whether I am for or against a bow hunting competency test.

I have a few questions for those who would like one.

What distance do you feel the test should be taken at?

What is a passing score? 60%? 70%?

Most of us here could with very little practice pass a test with todays bows but what about those who use more primitive bows?
Should the test be the same for them?

Lets say for the sake of arguing that you had to hit a 20 yard target at an 85% rate.

Do you really think that this would eliminate people from taking bad shots and wounding deer? Seems to me that this would just eliminate new hunters. Maybe that is what some of us want?

When I first started with a bow I practiced some but not nearly enough to be what I would call compentent with a bow. I could hit a butter dish at 20 yards everytime but couldn't have hit the broadside of a barn standing inside of it past that distance. I just limited my shots to under 20 yards.

Do you really think a test would have prevented me from shooting beyond that if I had wanted to? No,it had to be a personal decision.

I don't disagree with a test but do not know how to make it fair with all people. No one takes a shooting test for guns and there is much more risk in gun hunting than with a bow.




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SW Iowa Hunter mind you this is just my opinion, but to me the competanct test should have a minimum of 6 out of 6 in a pie plate at 20 to pass. That said, I also feel that for a new archer it would not hurt to have targets further also, simply to where he will be able to have a more experienced person advice them as to what their max range should be for their skill level.

I am in my third year of bow hunting and can put 6 out of 6 at 30, but I limit myself to 25 yards and to be honest will probably continue to do so.

You and many others are right when you say that competancy test and bow safety course will not eliminate unethical hunters, what it will do though is give the new bowhunter who wants to be ethical and does not have a mentor, an idea of what is ethical.

Will it eliminate the unethical? No, but it will stop people who decide the day before the season opens from buying a bow and license and wounding deer.

The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club

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Iowa hunter I think the test should be no less than 20 yrds. but I also feel maybe there could a few distances and they would be unknown. Second I feel the test should be 90% but I would like 100%. I also agree that for the guy's hunting with stick bows we could shorten up the distance if it's on the variable range course. I think it's important to note to you that yea you kept your self under 20 yrds. when you learning but there are alot who won't. Another thing you guy's should consider is years ago pretty much every one had a dad or uncle or so forth teaching them to hunt. Today we have alot of people that are just getting into hunting with no one to teach them and the only assistance they get is at their local bow shop ( which usualy isn't much) This bow hunting coarse would just further help them by saying these are the un written ethics there are alot people who have no idea what most of the un written ethic's are that us guy's who have been hunting for a while follow. It also forces them to learn their eqipment and how to PROPERLY use it thus being accurate enough to pass this test.

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I have nothing against the hunting test and would gladly take one or have my son take one when he is older. Even if there is not one he will have to prove that he can shoot before he goes. That is what I had to do with my father growing up.

What worries me is that fewer people are taking up the sport of hunting and if we start calling them idiots just because they lack the knowledge that we have learned over our hunting career they will stay away.

I guess what I am tring to say is there is a better way to post these questions without making people feel like they are being belittled sp?.

I often agree with wolfen's posts but fail to post on them because they are worded in a way that offends people.

I guess I am disappointed in the people here who would call names or give people labels before they give those people the chance to learn from mistakes or sucess.

I am not tring to put down wolfen or any others here because of thier choice of words or views just wanted to state my feelings on this topic.




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I've read this board off and on for a couple of years now and somehow managed to keep from posting for one reason or another. This discussion was too much, however, so I registered and here I am.

Not trying to start a big argument, but here is why I believe it is definitely a bad idea to require a mandatory bowhunting &quot;competency&quot; exam before a person is allowed to hunt. In setting up such a program, you really need to worry about who might be involved in setting the standard for deciding whether or not you get to hunt. Old Joe Bob that is the head of your state wildlife commission right now just might decide that hitting six out of six on a paper plate at 20 yards is plenty good for certifying you to participate this year. But 5 years from now, your new governor might just appoint one or two more anti-hunting inclined wildlife commissioners to the board and give them the majority. Then who's to say that the new &quot;revised standard&quot; might not just become six out of six in a tennis-ball size target at 40 yards, or even six out of six in a ping pong-ball size target at 50 yards. To me, making a mandatory test for participation just opens the doors for anti-hunters to pursue new avenues to end such a wonderful tradition. Do I wish newcomers would take more time for practice, tuning, etc., before heading for the woods? Sure. But I don't think a mandatory proficiency test is the answer.

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Very good point Mark. Welcome to the board!!!

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I believe there should be mandatory testing. Worrying that an anti might get put on the board and eventually requiring pingpong size targets at 50 yards is paranoid. Any court could change that with a lawsuit.

What testing might eliminate is reading posts where someones FIL takes 6 shots and misses all 6. Heck it might even eliminate those posts where somone takes a 55 yard shot and butt shoots a deer cause it moved before the arrow got there.

FOOLPROOF?
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Taz,
I suspect he's down in South Central Kansas about now for the yearly gathering.

I'm sure glad you let me know you were yanking my chain buddy! :)
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Reaper,Do I feel that we are over regulated?Most certainly!I just couldn't go and purchase a license I had to take a test that was geared for someone who has never stepped into the woods,which took a weekend of my time with an instructor that doesn't bow hunt.

I don't want any regulation other than what is needed to process my license.What I want is responsibility for my actions and respect for trying to be an honest man.

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NMAINERON your darn right you should have to take a test before you can go hunt. You have to learn to fly an air plane before you may fly. You have to learn to drive before getting your license and you sure as h#ll should have to learn and take a test on your ability to cleanly kill an animal and not wound it. Face it evry thing thing you do in life you need to learn how to do it. It would be great if every one took it upon them selves to properly learn but in this day and age people don't give a hoot they take the quick easy road. There are way too many slob hunter's who don't care.

You say you want to take responsibility for you actions and to be an honest man. Well that's grest you seem like and honest responsible man but there are many out there who aren't those are the one's we need to educate and ensure that atleast they are capable hitting a deer in the vitals at 20 yrds.

You said again in your post that you are over regulated but again you failed to name one way in which you are over regulated. What can't you do? The only other way I can think of that they could do is allow to people to shoot out the window of a truck at night with a spot light. It would be great if every one did their part and could be a good shot and be ethical and only take good clean shot's but there are too many people these day's that don't thats all I am trying to say.