Hey Zarr, If your able to take either a doe or buck legally what is the problem?
He saw a big deer that would put much meat in the freezer, the fact that it turned out to be a buck is a bonus.
Have you ever seen a swamp buck with horns that are almost black, They are hard to see in low light conditions.
He wasn't expecting to kill a buck when he went out, I know he told me before his hunt.(What average hunter expects to shoot two nice bucks in 1 week?) Since he didn't see antlers why would he hold back especially considering if he was wrong he had a buck tag to back it up. It's easy to judge in hindsight but we all know that at the moment of truth the decision is made in seconds. I say good call!
As for the high shot, their is a crotch where two trees meet, If you don't come in a little high you risk a deflected shot. Then we would be hearing about how that shot was bad.
I say lets be happy for the guy without the candy-coated criticism!!! <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I'm not so sure I like the whole shooting at a deer and not knowing if its a buck or doe cuz its in too thick of brush or too dark, and then the &quot;hoping&quot; for a high lung shot at best, but congrats anyways. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> I shot an arrow into the air... and where it landed I knew there was hair. I think I'm with Zarr on that point.
But, congrats on the deer.
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Good job, Bro
Keep up the good work!!!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

I would like to adress this issue. First Bowdaddy if he was supposed to kill a doe before the second buck then what he did was illegal. Second any one that has taken a hunter's saftey coarse should have learned that you are supposed to POSITIVLY IDENTIFY YOUR TARGET BEFORE SHOOTING!. That includes knowing if the deer is a buck or doe. If he was suposed to kill a doe first then that buck that he his posting pictures of on the internet is illegal. But I don't know NJ. law so maybe it is legal but non the less he should identify his target a little better before shooting next time. What if what he thought was a deer wasn't? I mean not knowing if it was a buck or doe then maybe he could have been mistaken and it could have been a person?

trock,
nice buck. However I wouldn't blame you if decided not to post anymore &quot;success&quot; stories. There seems to be a lot of individuals on this bb that could find fault with damn near anything. Once again congrats, and hope you still have a tag left.

Roland

his deer is a nice deer it's great that he has had good luck. However if he was supposed to take a doe before he shot that buck than that's illegal and YES that is wrong. There is also no question that he should have known what he was shooting at before he shot. Maybe he did have a legal buck tag I don't know if he did great. I live in an area where poaching has become an exepted thing and people brag and gloat about paoching as it is second nature that is why I take such offense to people shooting deer out of season or with out a tag or shooting more than they are leagaly allowed. I even know two preachers that poach ALOT I asked them if it was sin since they were lying when they checked the deer in they started telling me some bull about god put animals here for us so they felt they could shoot them if they wanted. I hate seeing people poach even checking a deer in one county when you actualy shot it in another is poaching.

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If you don't know, then don't assume. You're much better off not saying anything at all. It's assumptions like this that make great posts like this go sour. If you've got something negative to say, keep it to yourself.


Trock; congratulations on two great deer.

Ok, to dispell all the myths I will answer a few questions.
1. I hunt zone 25
2. I took the first buck at the end of the fall bow season
3. I took the second buck at the start of the permit bow season
4. You are allowed only one buck per season and the order in which you shoot them does not matter.&quot; If you shoot a buck early you make sure its a good one cause your done for that season and then its just unlimited does throughout.

Now, lets not put ingnorance into this and turn what happened out there into something that it is not.

I KNEW MY TARGET AND KNEW ALSO THAT IN FACT IT WAS A DEER, IT WAS ONLY THE SEX OF THE DEER THAT WAS IN QUESTION. DOE OR BUCK IT WAS FREEZER MEAT AS FAR AS I WAS CONCERNED.

THE SHOT THAT I TOOK WAS NOT OBSTRUCTED BY BRUSH OR BUSHES IT WAS THE FACT THAT I HAD TO SHOOT THROUGH A CROTCH OF A TREE AND I WANTED TO BE SURE THAT I CLEARED IT.

I HAVE BEEN HUNTING FOR 15+ YEARS AND I KNOW THE LAWS BACKWARD AND FORWARD AND HOW TO HUNT ETHICALLY.

JUST REMEMBER THESE QUESTIONS YOU POSED IN THE POST AND ASK YOURSELF THE SAME WHEN ITS TIME FOR YOU TO DRAW DOWN IN A SIMILAR SITUATION.
&quot;IF YOU HAVE THE TIME&quot;


The Brown-Down is ON!!!!
Steven J. Collins (Trock63)
Bowdaddy Productions

Honna, you asked what kind of a bow I shot and I forgot to reply to that in my last post so here it is.
I shoot a Ben Pearson Diamondback
Muzzy zero-effect rest
shock blocker stablizer
sims limb savers
nv system dampners
beman ics 400 arrows
muzzy 115 grain heads
caliper release
Im fixing to sell this setup after the season and get a mathews though.

The Brown-Down is ON!!!!
Steven J. Collins (Trock63)
Bowdaddy Productions

So now he's POACHING?
Sounds to me you have some inside information that the shooter doesn't even have!
And, If you can't tell the difference between a human and a deer you ought to reconsider steping into the woods yourself.
He never said he couldn't make out if it was a deer, He implied he couldn't tell what sex it was.
Seems to me some people are reading into other peoples words to get the result they desire so they have an excuse to bitch and moan about ethics!
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Trock, it sounds like some folks have their britches in a bunch so let me ask you some straight questions and hopefully we can dispell some of these harsh feelings and accusations and get along with the congrats again. I hunt in NJ so I know the laws there. For those that don't I will lay out the general regualtions. Each individual season is &quot;earn a buck&quot; meaning you need to shoot and register an antlerless deer prior to taking an antlered deer which in some areas are restricted to 3 points a side or more (which your buck definitely falls into). I'm not sure if your zone falls into antler restriction so I won't even touch that. The permit season started Saturday October 26 meaning a doe would need to be shot and registered that day or Monday morning so you could get your &quot;any deer&quot; transportation tag since in NJ hunting is not allowed on Sunday.

Did you shoot an antlerless deer on Saturday the 26th or in the Morning of Monday the 28th prior to shooting that buck?

Let's get an answer so we can get on to more important things. Thanks.

Edited by - huntingbry on 10/31/2002 09:56:50

Edited by - huntingbry on 10/31/2002 11:43:29

Great looking buck Congrats.