Losing Blood Trails - CSI in the deer Woods.
10-28-2002 | 01:07 PM
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Losing Blood Trails - CSI in the deer Woods.
Crime Scene Investgators. CSI in the deer woods.
Thought I would give you a little story.
2:15 p.m. Well friend shot a doe at 20 yards with a crossbow from the ground.
He said it knocked her down and she got up spun around staggered and then took off.
Also said he could hear the thump of the arrow. Might be a high shot since it was only 20 yards.
3:00 p.m. he came on the radio still could not find deer or any blood.
3:30 p.m went to help him look.
I had him stand the the location he was and where the deer was standing.
You could see where she was standing and spun in the leaves no blood and no blood in the path that she took.
Went back and took a few steps in the path the arrow would have took for a pass thru.
Arrow broken off. Put it up against the other arrow would be broke off just as the fletchings start.
Brown hair and some blood on the arrow.
Explained why no blood on ground. When she spun the arrow broke off and clogged the hole, is what I was guessing and the only exit for the blood would be the entry wound.
That was the only positive. Also could be lung and she would bleed out the mouth and noise.
Started doing arc nothing.
Deer was north heading south. Clear cut to the west and old woods to the east and river bottoms and river to the south.
We took two different path I made it to the road. 100 plus yards from shot.
Had to take a guess if she was not within that area she had to cross the road and head to the river bottoms.
Started walking gravel road slowly.
3:45 p.m. Found a place on the road just inside the edge that rocks moved and deer track. Ond spec of blood size of pentel eraser.
Look at the road in the middle out of the vehicle tracks looks like someone had dipped a paint brush and slung red.
Hmmm thought she must had jump and then spit or blew when she hit the road. So I am guessing lung shot.
But not alot of blood by no means. Have lost deer with enormous amout of more blood sign.
We crossed road stated tracking. It would go from pin drops to dimes to quarter size back to pin drops to nothing.
Lots of tracks and trails, tried to ignore all of them that I could.
Had to follow on hands and knees off and on also some places she squeeze between trees no blood on trees.
Lost trail 2 to 3 times before.
She also only stopped on time and had some good sign of blood with bubbles. Bright red. Still thinking lung but maybe high. Just clipping it with one blade maybe.
She is head for Current River. If she makes it she is lost can not cross. Plus I would bet that with the rains she would end up down stream some where.
Started getting less and less on hands and knees over 400 to 500 yards from where we had started.
At this time I would not because it a curse to ever say this outload. (We are not going to find her) That is what I thought to myself. "Just for note the other thing you never say outload "It has to be just up ahead with the amount of blood"
Less than 100 yards from river now. The blood all of sudden really picked up.
Finally at point I could stand up. But before I did I looked foward and their she laid.
4:30 p.m. for the next 20 yards she had really bleed.
Notes:
1. She had really bleed out from her nose and mouth only.
2. Could barely see end of arrow and fletching sticking out.
3. Hit just below the spine at a slight angle through one backstrap and under the other.
4. Cut the "T" on the spine. DID NOT enter the cavity. Lungs and everything was fine.
5. Never bleed through exit or enter hole shaft plugged both.
6. Rigor had started setting in when we got to her.
With all of this hindsight. She got hit broke arrown off ran like the wind for about 100 yards then blew blood out her nose and mouth. Walked about 200 more yard and stopped. Walked another 200 to 300 yards and died.
Few question?
How long does it take for rigor to set in on a 70 degree day with cloud cover?
Why was she bleeding out of her mouth and nose?
The only reason we found this deer was pure luck!!!!!! That is my opinion!
Hope this might help someone else someday in tracking their deer.
Host of The Missouri Sportsmen's Radio Show
www.mosportsmen.com
Thought I would give you a little story.
2:15 p.m. Well friend shot a doe at 20 yards with a crossbow from the ground.
He said it knocked her down and she got up spun around staggered and then took off.
Also said he could hear the thump of the arrow. Might be a high shot since it was only 20 yards.
3:00 p.m. he came on the radio still could not find deer or any blood.
3:30 p.m went to help him look.
I had him stand the the location he was and where the deer was standing.
You could see where she was standing and spun in the leaves no blood and no blood in the path that she took.
Went back and took a few steps in the path the arrow would have took for a pass thru.
Arrow broken off. Put it up against the other arrow would be broke off just as the fletchings start.
Brown hair and some blood on the arrow.
Explained why no blood on ground. When she spun the arrow broke off and clogged the hole, is what I was guessing and the only exit for the blood would be the entry wound.
That was the only positive. Also could be lung and she would bleed out the mouth and noise.
Started doing arc nothing.
Deer was north heading south. Clear cut to the west and old woods to the east and river bottoms and river to the south.
We took two different path I made it to the road. 100 plus yards from shot.
Had to take a guess if she was not within that area she had to cross the road and head to the river bottoms.
Started walking gravel road slowly.
3:45 p.m. Found a place on the road just inside the edge that rocks moved and deer track. Ond spec of blood size of pentel eraser.
Look at the road in the middle out of the vehicle tracks looks like someone had dipped a paint brush and slung red.
Hmmm thought she must had jump and then spit or blew when she hit the road. So I am guessing lung shot.
But not alot of blood by no means. Have lost deer with enormous amout of more blood sign.
We crossed road stated tracking. It would go from pin drops to dimes to quarter size back to pin drops to nothing.
Lots of tracks and trails, tried to ignore all of them that I could.
Had to follow on hands and knees off and on also some places she squeeze between trees no blood on trees.
Lost trail 2 to 3 times before.
She also only stopped on time and had some good sign of blood with bubbles. Bright red. Still thinking lung but maybe high. Just clipping it with one blade maybe.
She is head for Current River. If she makes it she is lost can not cross. Plus I would bet that with the rains she would end up down stream some where.
Started getting less and less on hands and knees over 400 to 500 yards from where we had started.
At this time I would not because it a curse to ever say this outload. (We are not going to find her) That is what I thought to myself. "Just for note the other thing you never say outload "It has to be just up ahead with the amount of blood"
Less than 100 yards from river now. The blood all of sudden really picked up.
Finally at point I could stand up. But before I did I looked foward and their she laid.
4:30 p.m. for the next 20 yards she had really bleed.
Notes:
1. She had really bleed out from her nose and mouth only.
2. Could barely see end of arrow and fletching sticking out.
3. Hit just below the spine at a slight angle through one backstrap and under the other.
4. Cut the "T" on the spine. DID NOT enter the cavity. Lungs and everything was fine.
5. Never bleed through exit or enter hole shaft plugged both.
6. Rigor had started setting in when we got to her.
With all of this hindsight. She got hit broke arrown off ran like the wind for about 100 yards then blew blood out her nose and mouth. Walked about 200 more yard and stopped. Walked another 200 to 300 yards and died.
Few question?
How long does it take for rigor to set in on a 70 degree day with cloud cover?
Why was she bleeding out of her mouth and nose?
The only reason we found this deer was pure luck!!!!!! That is my opinion!
Hope this might help someone else someday in tracking their deer.
Host of The Missouri Sportsmen's Radio Show
www.mosportsmen.com
10-28-2002 | 01:52 PM
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RE: Losing Blood Trails - CSI in the deer Woods.
10-28-2002 | 02:28 PM
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RE: Losing Blood Trails - CSI in the deer Woods.
Way to stick with that tracking job until the end..GOOD JOB!!
If I ain't huntin',I'm trappin',If I ain't trappin',I'm fishin'
If I ain't fishin',I'm wishin'!
If I ain't huntin',I'm trappin',If I ain't trappin',I'm fishin'
If I ain't fishin',I'm wishin'!
10-28-2002 | 02:37 PM
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RE: Losing Blood Trails - CSI in the deer Woods.
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Proud of you guys.
Far too many would have not made the effort to get down on their hands and knees and track.
Way to go!
BTW - The website that c903 lists has some really good info on Rigor.
I think that the stress on the animal is what accelerated the rigor.
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Proud of you guys.
Far too many would have not made the effort to get down on their hands and knees and track.
Way to go!
BTW - The website that c903 lists has some really good info on Rigor.
I think that the stress on the animal is what accelerated the rigor.
"It's not the kill, it's the adventure and challenge! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>"
