Did anyone catch RealTree Outdoors tonight??
01-23-2006 | 02:09 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Did anyone catch RealTree Outdoors tonight??
ORIGINAL: aspeelma
As a female bowhunter I truly feel for her. Shame on her though for not speaking up and telling her husband that it was too much weight to pull. More importantly shame on him for ignoring that fact. What kind of professional is he that he doesn't notice his wife's obvious difficulties with the bow. Yes she may be out there trying to support him in his work, but is he being supportive of her? or is he displaying a typical male attitude of "oh she's fine". If she pulled a muscle trying to pull back the bow she was obviously not fine, and I personally am not impressed that he helped her draw it back for his show. Wouldn't a real man have cut the shooting and taken care of his wife instead of making her shoot it anyway?
As a female bowhunter I truly feel for her. Shame on her though for not speaking up and telling her husband that it was too much weight to pull. More importantly shame on him for ignoring that fact. What kind of professional is he that he doesn't notice his wife's obvious difficulties with the bow. Yes she may be out there trying to support him in his work, but is he being supportive of her? or is he displaying a typical male attitude of "oh she's fine". If she pulled a muscle trying to pull back the bow she was obviously not fine, and I personally am not impressed that he helped her draw it back for his show. Wouldn't a real man have cut the shooting and taken care of his wife instead of making her shoot it anyway?
01-23-2006 | 07:53 PM
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RE: Did anyone catch RealTree Outdoors tonight??
Hey Everyone,
I would like to bring up another point that has not been brought up. Regardless of gender, I think hunting shows should be more sympathetic with what they put on national television.
I was watching the same show with my wife, who can't understand, not only with the show last night, but other shows in the past, why they show "non-clean" kills. It really bothers her to see that. I understand that "things" happen in the woods beyond our control. The Lord knows, "things" have happened to me but as hunters we have an obligation to put forth our best image to the rest of the public. We all understand the fine details of hunting; the sound of a dry-fire, shot placement, etc... But others might only see a deer run off through the woods with an arrow half way through it's back.
Men, women and children hunters need to learn how to properly educate others instead of bringing negative attention on our sport. Alot can be said for the technilogical advances in camera work and maybe some of these shows should take advantage of them and become better ambasadors of our sport we hold so high.
Duck
I would like to bring up another point that has not been brought up. Regardless of gender, I think hunting shows should be more sympathetic with what they put on national television.
I was watching the same show with my wife, who can't understand, not only with the show last night, but other shows in the past, why they show "non-clean" kills. It really bothers her to see that. I understand that "things" happen in the woods beyond our control. The Lord knows, "things" have happened to me but as hunters we have an obligation to put forth our best image to the rest of the public. We all understand the fine details of hunting; the sound of a dry-fire, shot placement, etc... But others might only see a deer run off through the woods with an arrow half way through it's back.
Men, women and children hunters need to learn how to properly educate others instead of bringing negative attention on our sport. Alot can be said for the technilogical advances in camera work and maybe some of these shows should take advantage of them and become better ambasadors of our sport we hold so high.
Duck
01-23-2006 | 09:11 PM
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RE: Did anyone catch RealTree Outdoors tonight??
This is a direct quote from MilDot on another post in the technical section. "Get with the program people, we are talking about taking a life with this sport." Check it our for yourself in Bowtech vs. Mathews. This is a total contradiction of his earlier stance where K.E. wasbasically the key inputting a deer down ethically.
I agree that K.E. is very important to ensure a clean passthrough if possible. It takesa certain amount ofpoundage to obtain the proper K.E. I think what most people are trying to say here is if she can't take a controlled shot at that poundage then she shouldn't be in the woods taking practice shots on live animals. She should be in the range working on her strength and techniques until she is able to take a controlled shot in real time situations. This goes forfemales and males,adults or kids. I think wewould all be saying the same thinghere if it was an adult male.
Have we all made bad shots, sure. Will we in the future, sure. It is definitely unfortunate when we do but we all know ithas, could, and willhappen. Whether it is a equipment malfunction, misjudgment in yardage, pulling too many pounds, or nerves, we have to eliminate as many variables as we can in order to put a humane shot on the animal we are attempting to harvest.
She may be attempting to do the right thing based on K.E.; however, it is evident to me that she isn't prepared enough from a "strength" perspective as this has happened numerous times and on film for that matter.
I agree that K.E. is very important to ensure a clean passthrough if possible. It takesa certain amount ofpoundage to obtain the proper K.E. I think what most people are trying to say here is if she can't take a controlled shot at that poundage then she shouldn't be in the woods taking practice shots on live animals. She should be in the range working on her strength and techniques until she is able to take a controlled shot in real time situations. This goes forfemales and males,adults or kids. I think wewould all be saying the same thinghere if it was an adult male.
Have we all made bad shots, sure. Will we in the future, sure. It is definitely unfortunate when we do but we all know ithas, could, and willhappen. Whether it is a equipment malfunction, misjudgment in yardage, pulling too many pounds, or nerves, we have to eliminate as many variables as we can in order to put a humane shot on the animal we are attempting to harvest.
She may be attempting to do the right thing based on K.E.; however, it is evident to me that she isn't prepared enough from a "strength" perspective as this has happened numerous times and on film for that matter.
01-23-2006 | 09:28 PM
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Dominant Buck
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RE: Did anyone catch RealTree Outdoors tonight??
This was a fair chase hunt filmed on the Mussleshell river near Lewistown, Montana. The reason the Whitetails did not run at the dry fired shot. They just do not have much hunting pressure around there.We took two whitetail deer this year in that same general area. Wewalked up to a good rest 80 to 100-yards from them. We were in plain sight & talking to each other.Our deer did not run because theyhad never been hunted before. We both shot & both killed our deer. We were shooting a 300-win mag & a 30-06. The other deer ran out about fifty yards & stopped. They stood there & watched us gut the other two deer. They never did run off. Our deer were killed on private land.Our deer were not in a high fence. They were on a working cattle ranch.Just not enough hunting to make them scared of humans
And they call it hunting. I call that shooting, target practice or whatever. There are deer in the Northern woods that probably have never seen a hunter, but the hunters will never see them either. Different worlds I guess.
01-23-2006 | 10:01 PM
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RE: Did anyone catch RealTree Outdoors tonight??
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And they call it hunting. I call that shooting, target practice or whatever. There are deer in the Northern woods that probably have never seen a hunter, but the hunters will never see them either. Different worlds I guess.
This was a fair chase hunt filmed on the Mussleshell river near Lewistown, Montana. The reason the Whitetails did not run at the dry fired shot. They just do not have much hunting pressure around there.We took two whitetail deer this year in that same general area. Wewalked up to a good rest 80 to 100-yards from them. We were in plain sight & talking to each other.Our deer did not run because theyhad never been hunted before. We both shot & both killed our deer. We were shooting a 300-win mag & a 30-06. The other deer ran out about fifty yards & stopped. They stood there & watched us gut the other two deer. They never did run off. Our deer were killed on private land.Our deer were not in a high fence. They were on a working cattle ranch.Just not enough hunting to make them scared of humans
And they call it hunting. I call that shooting, target practice or whatever. There are deer in the Northern woods that probably have never seen a hunter, but the hunters will never see them either. Different worlds I guess.
Davidmil, If you look at private land & the large amounts of public land? You can see why so many deer never get hunted. You can on any given day drive up to public land & shoot a deer or several deer. If you want to hunt private land? Most deer will let you shoot at them, before they run off. The reason for this? We are way over-populated with deer.
Thats right too many deer & not enough hunters. We need to kill thousands of deer around here. Mostly does just toget our population back into check.
01-23-2006 | 10:32 PM
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RE: Did anyone catch RealTree Outdoors tonight??
As long as the focus of this argument is the gender of the hunter involved, this is a complete waste of time! What would the responses be if it were some GUY? Everyone would be tearing him a new one, that's what! Yeah, it's great that this guy's wife is supporting him. Yeah, she's trying REALLY hard. Well, congratulations to her, but she shouldn't have been out there with a bow. A gun, sure. A camera, absolutely. Am I saying that she has no business hunting with a bow? No, but she should get some more practice under her belt before the next time.
