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[align=left][/align][align=left]Doug,[/align][align=left]A 37" ATA w/ 8" brace height and 4.3lbs (Old Glory)[/align][align=left]and 40" ATA w an 8.25" brace height and 4.5lbs??(Constitution)[/align][align=left][/align][align=left]Those 2 along with a mid length bow with an long riser at 34" (Allegiance)but feels and acts like a much longer bow at 4.1lbs[/align][align=left]The newest hunting bow(Tribute) is basically the same dimensions 4.1 lbs but 31.5" ATA due to a 53 degree limb angle........this isn't a 31.5" bow with a tiny riser and conventional limb angles. Neither the Allegiance or the Tribute will give the shooter any feeling whatsoever of shooting a "Shorty" bow. [/align][align=left]If these bows had conventional limb angles they'd probably be close to the 40" ATA bows of a few years ago.[/align][align=left][/align][align=left]Heck I shot a 318 IBO score in a very tough 3D tourney this season with my 34" Allegiance, only course I "Cleaned" all year and the bow was basically my hunting set-up. Matt Bressler won the IBO National Triple Crown with a 34" Allegiance and he shoots 40+ yards all day long.[/align][align=left]My point is that they don't behave like the Mighty Mite / Tech 29 style short ATA bows.[/align][align=left][/align][align=left]The Equalizer is purposely lighter and shorter to help the short draw, low draw weight crowd.......most likelythis 3.5lb bow will compliment this type shooter than a 4+lb model. Someone who can only draw 30lbs most likely isn't going to be in love with a heavier bow.
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ORIGINAL: Matt / PA

New short draw, high performance model called the Equalizer.....302 IBO speeds at 26.5" and 60#! It will be available from 23-26.5" and 20-60# and only weigh 3.5 lbs. This is no kids bow........it's a true adult big boy bow for the short draw length , low draw weight crowd.[/blockquote]


Atlas......remember 302 is the TOP END IBO speed of the advertised range and that's at 60# with a 300gr arrow and the highest draw length setting of 26.5" That's the best possible number shooting at exactly 5grs lb.

Not sure if you are considering all that or not.
In any event it's a rocket for a light draw / short draw length style bow.

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It really looks like they have a bow to fill just about every niche. I am glad to see that they consolidated the lineup somewhat and just went with adjustments on the cams. Now the question is which bow(s) to order? A Tribute for hunting and an Allegiance for 3D? An Allegiance for hunting and an Old Glory for 3D? How about a Tomkat for hunting and a Constitution for 3D?

Decisions...decisions.....;)

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Thanks a lot Frank just when I almost had my mind made up;)


Looks like another great year for Bowtech specally with the different mods for smooth or speed.

Matt where are the pics you know we just gotta have some eye candy;):):D

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Did I notmake my caseto Kevin at theATA show2 years ago as well as multiple times to the old coot...errr..Pat,Jeridand others abouta 2 module system? :eek:

Glad to see it finally come about!

Impressive lineup.

Hope everyone is well!

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I knew it wouldn't be long until JeffB showed up! ;)

Right now I'm leaning towards a 29" @ 80lb Tribute with the fast cam. :)

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Now look who goes and shows up...:). Somehow I just knew that once the 2006 bow threads started to develop then somebody would throw in his two cents...:)

Nice to see you back Jeff.

So what is it going to be for you? I thought I once had your preferences pegged but you threw me for a loop with that Switchback purchase last year. What is it going to be? My guess is the Tribute despite the shorter axle to axle length. You never could resist a new design and those 53 degree limbs are callin' ya. ;)

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heyy Frank....Just popped in when I saw it mentioned in some email chatter this morning about Pat's B-day....so thot I'd come over and see what was up..first time I've been here in weeks..I haven't even THOUGHT about a bow lately

Honestly...no clue...I got a Check-MateAtilla nearly 2 months ago along with some custom strings from Chad (Thanks Buddy, gorgeous strings!), thatI have not even shot yet...don't own anything else...just cannot find/make the time these days to shoot between work (busiest time of year for me), and my son...when I do get time to shoot which is usually Sunday, the shop/range is closed...:eek:

Hope all is well! Good luck to everyone this season! Our season opened a few days back...I had no clue...days go by in the blink of an eye lately [:@]

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Has anyone else but me did the math on the K.E. concerning the Equalizer bow?? At 60/26.5 and 300 grains at 302 fps,,,,,,, that's over 60.7 foot pounds of K.E.!!!;)

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Sounds very interesting, I look forward to seeing the new line! Are you going to Atlanta this year Matt?

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Yep.:)

See ya there?

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Hey Matt, I've been wondering the past couple days... How's this thing going to fit in most bow presses? I've heard rumblings that some of the more extreme parallel limb designs are trouble for the ordinary Apples, so is this new Equalizer gonna take a whole new press?

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The owner of The Archery shop where I go to shoot and set around and gab is a Bowtech and Mathews dealer. He has been shooting Mathews bows for over 10 years. This year his hunting bow is a Bowtech Mighty Mite. For next year, only time will tell.

I do know he will be ordering a 2006 60#, 29" draw Bowtech Tomkat with the smooth option for me very soon!

Bill

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Matt,

What is the difference between the smooth and fast option on a given bow? Are they using thebinary cam with a wheel for the smooth version and dual binary cams for the fast version?

Thanks!

Bill

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The difference is actually module change. Fast module for more speed and smooth module for a smoother draw. No need to change the cams on these new models.

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So are you saying not to expect those kinds of numbers from it??

Doesn't really make sense if it can't put out that speed........if you only end up getting 275-280fps what would be the point?? You can get that out of almost any Bowtech at 27"


Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying.

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Atlas, just like past years every model has an advertised "Speed Range" if the bow doesn't shoot within that range then it does not ship.
There's approx an 8fps range so the Equalizer's range at max specs is 294-302fps.
Everyone is latching onto the highest possible number in that range which is 302.
A shipped bow might actually make 302 at 26.5" /60#/ 300gr arrow, but it is also within specs if one ships at 296fps. Most fall around the middle of the advertised speed range, so 298 is realistic for most bows out the door.

So no it's not going to shoot 275-280 at those specs, it will if you trying to shoot say a 375gr arrow rather than a 300gr. Remember 5grs of arrow weight per lb of draw weight to get that 294-302 range.
If you go up in arrow weight, or add additional weight to the string (peep etc) above and beyond what the hush kit, brass nockset and elim. buttons weight your speed will go down accordingly.

A shipped, the max spec Equalizer (26.5"/60#/300gr) will shoot 292 and up to 302 depending upon the individual bow.

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not to nitpick matt, but wouldn't it be depending on the limbs alone?

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Not sure I understand the question?

You'll have variances in every bow however slight.......any bow for any manufacturer. Slight variations in friction, limb deflections (yes actual draw weight accounts for most), etc will cause some minor changes in actual speed. It's not much really as I said most ship in the middle of the range, but occasionally a really hot one goes out so 302 (or maybe more is possible) and few near the bottom end go out as well.
I would expect the majority of the bows in those specs (26.5"/60#) to shoot in the high 290's to 300 with the exception hitting 302.........the 302 is possible but not to be expected on every bow.

To me this is such a better system of rating speed than the vast majority of companies who give you one "Approx" speed rating at 30"/70#/350 and that's taken with a bare string or a very small tied in nock set usually just to hold the arrow in place.
So the consumer winds up with a bow they think might be going say 315fps, but what is that number? The best one they tested? The Average?
The "Unaware" type consumer is also going to wonder where all his speed went when he isn't a 30" draw, or adds a peep a loop and cat whiskers etc. One number at IBO specs doesn't really help the average bowhunter/archer very much.
Bowtech will tell you what each bow will ship at with a full realistic string load and at various draw lengths/weights.

Remember when you see how impressive these speed numbers are with the Bowtech models that they are being compared to the competition's bows shooting with nothing on the string. Bowtech's bare string speed ratings would be off the charts but rather than confuse the shooter, they show what that exact bow is doing with a loaded string at their specs.
It's good stuff.:)

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Hey Matt,

Miss my question, or are you just ignoring me buddy? [8D]:)

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Does anyone have any pictures?

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Greg,
Gimme a break man I was actually getting the hands bloody last night. ;)
(Big doe)
I did miss your question though.:D

This is the most extreme parallel limb angled bow Bowtech has ever made obviously with a 53 degree pocket.
Compatible presses were an issue with a 40 degree limb pocket angle so you do the math.:D
As technology changes so will the equipment to work on them.
The new the Sure Loc "X" press and some others like the Apple Hydraulic will work.
Actually "Walks With a Gimp"'s "Bowmender press will work very well......that's what I have and for the $$ it's the best portable out there IMO.

It certainly won't take much pressure or travel to relax the limbs but you definitely will need the proper press. (One that presses by bringing thelimb ends together.)

So to answer your question in a nutshell I don't think you'd have a prayer of pressing a Tribute properly in an old Apple press.

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I will just have to shoot the bow and see what it does.

I guess I just don't see the point if it is only gonna push a average weight hunting arrow (375-400gr) at 270ish........like I said, you can get that from almost any Bowtech already so it would be nothing new. My Patriot does that now.

Oh well.......sounds like they are gonna have some nice options this year and I will check them out for sure like I always do........2005 was rather disappointing IMO but from what you have said this coming year looks better on paper at least.


Thanks

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Atlasman, BowTech rates their bows just like the other manufactureswith IBO weighted arrows at 30 inches draw length. The Equalizer bow only goes to 26.5 inches draw so it is actually rated at it's draw length of 26.5 inches and the IBO weight of a 300 grain arrow for a 60 pound bow (5 grains of arrow weight per pound of peak draw weight). The Equalizer bow will shoot within 7 or 8 fps of this 302 fps rating or it won't ship out the door, according to BowTech. Some bows might actually shoot higher speeds than the 302. My wife shoots 340 grain arrows for hunting at her 26 inch draw length, these are Easton Lightspeed 400's,, plenty stiff for her 55 pounds so I doubt many shooters will be shooting heavier arrows out of this bow.

If you were "disapointed" in last years line up, maybe you'll find something that you like this year;)

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By the way, at 60/26,5 inch draw and a 300 grain arrow, the Equalizer is putting out 60.77 foot pounds of K.E.:D Name one other bow that will do that;) Looks like the Equalizer will be a great seller this year[8D]

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Excellent point Matt. I have to say thatI feel a bit dense right now. I have been shooting Bowtech for several years now and totally forgot about them using a fully loaded string in their speed figures. That wouldmake a bow like the Allegiance with a fast mod and a bare string setup somewhere in the, what?, low 340s for a "fast one?..and with a 7 inch brace height?

Scary.

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I like the teaser over at BowTech's website. ;)

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I just ordered a 26/60 Equalizer in camo for the wife:) Dealer didn't know what the price was or when it will be shipped but,,,,,, it don't matter:D

The look on Patty's face,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, priceless;)

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Nice! ;)

I'll try again next week to order a Tribute. I called the dealer a few days ago and he was clueless. Asked if I could order a 06 BowTech and he said not yet but then he went on to tell me about the 06 Hoyt catalog he just received.

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Hey Matt, no prob! And congrats on the meat in the freezer! I've had about 12 does within twenty yards of me this year so far, and I keep passing them hoping that at least one of them will be pulling the ol' big boy behind her; so far, no dice. I did check the freezer yesterday and saw that I was lower than I have been in about six years -- something like four round steaks and about five one-pound packages of hamburger meat. The next mature doe that walks by might find a Muzzy zipping though her... Been itching to see what kind of damage those heads will do compared to the Rockets you and I used to use anyway.

Don't know if I've ever got to tell you yet, but congratulations on your partnership with Bowtech by the way. I know; it's long overdue... Tell Mr. Snader "Hi!" for me the next time you see him. ;)

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How will the "fast" mods feel in compairson to the 05 E cams in terms of draw force and smoothness?

Also, what are the let off options for 06?

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i guess what i meant is the riser is machined, as are the limb pockets. the cam and idler wheels come out identical, so the only thing that changes the speed from 1 bow to the next is the limbs. i know the process they use to make strings and cables, and while i haven't seen the machinery, its been explained to me and is awesome (to lay out and tension). the strings are coming out identical in length, or really, really close. limbs are really the only things that aren't created equally, and that's the only real reason they don't have identical speeds. right? so that's why i was nitpicking. i'm bored.

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Sounds good but not as good as my HOYT Supertech!

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Oh man you guys are getting to me already.
Last yearI passed on a new bow and bought a biggaz pistol instead.
Next year I may be in the market for a new bow and always tell myself to shoot every option before picking one.
BUT by the time I'm done reading all of the remarks on this message board my brain stays BOWTECH.

I'll shoot them all, but the new Tribute/Allegiance is calling my name already.

I've got a fuzzy feeling the "smooth" modules are going to be about normal and the "speed" modules are going to pull like a biaatch. I Will have to wait and see.

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Matt,

It sounds as though Bowtech used this idea from the Diamond line that they took over last year. I have an original early 2004 (pre-bowtech) Diamond Gladiator (IBO 328) which has both a speed module and a smooth module that can be swapped out without a bowpress just by removing three small allen set screws. FYI, Diamond used to do alot of the CRC work for Bowtech so it was a logical marriage between the two companies.

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Now that I fully understand that the difference between the smooth and fast options is merely a matter of changing out the modules, I will be ordering my 2006 Tomkat with modules for smooth and fast in my drawlength range.

Bill

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I haven't shot them yet, but the guys I know who have think the "fast" ones are pretty smooth on their own.[:-]
I would guess that the "Smooth" mods will be probably a little softer than the 05' draw force curve, and the 'Fast' will be a bit steeper on the front and back end and a longer plateau storing more energy.
For a guy who typically shoots a 70# bow, a "Fast" 60# Allegiance will probably blow most of the 70# competition out of the water! Heck my 30"/60# Allegiance shoots my 405gr A/C/C's at 279 with a peep, loop, 2 tied in nock sets and 2 crossbow leeches. 70+ft lbs of KE from a 60# bow.
The new "Fast" one is simply going to be nuts.

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Matt/PA,

I shot a Mighty Mite last weekend and liked it except for the grip. I like a bit more meat in the grip. Tell me what you think of the aftermarket grip at the following link, and do you think it will work at the 2006 bows as well?

http://www.bowgrips.com/catalog/grip.cfm?GripID=160

Bill

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OK, I am not a tech person, so at 26 in and 60 lb, will you end up with more speed from the equilizer or an allegiance?

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I'm not an expert by any means but my guess is that these 2 bows will be pretty close to equal in terms of speed at this length. If you lose 10fps per 1" of draw length you'd lose 40fps on the Allegiance which would put it in the 295fps peak range. Only the Equalizer you'd drop 1/2" which I would assume equals a 5fps drop. So you'd be in the 298fps peak range.